OT: Jury Duty! Help!

[dharmagirl]

This is really veering off topic but I’d love to know what you think about this, PublicDefender. It’s an interesting story….

About 18 mos ago, my best friend (who lives in Virginia) was quietly working away in her home office one morning (she’s a graphic designer). She was, I believe, still in her PJs.

The doorbell rang but she was on the phone (to me) so she ignored it. I still remember her comment, “oh, probably another salesperson or religious person!”

However, the ringing turned into banging. She looked out the window and saw people in windbreakers and mirrored sunglasses. She hung up with me and went downstairs.

Peeking thru the blinds of the front door, she saw a bunch of people at the door. She tentatively started to open the door, to see what was going on, and a big, strapping guy (a cop), started to shove his way into the door. She tells me that she totally panicked. Her first thought was, “omigod, people are trying to break into my house.” She hadnt even had her coffee yet. She pushed back on the door and shouted, “Nooooo!!!!”

The cop pushed harder, got in the door and slammed her against a wall bruising/scraping her elbow as he twisted her arms behind her back. Apparently he started screaming and spitting, “are you gonna resist? Huh? Huh?”

She let them know that she was injured and she was asked if she needed to go to a hospital. She said ‘no’ but they still took photos of her and the injury.

Turns out her husband, who I THINK is a secret squirrel for a govt agency (think Jack Bauer), was the target of an investigation (or his ‘team’ was). Cops/Feds had a trumped up excuse for a search warrant and barged in to tear the house apart. Apparently, during his mandatory polygraph (to get the job), he had admitted to occasionally indulging in internet porn (before marriage). So, the search warrant claimed that they were looking for child pornography. The search team consisted of agents, police, etc.

They found nothing of course.

In the meantime, her husband insisted that she go to the ER that night so they did. She was so shaken up, couldnt stop crying, and had some pain for the banged up elbow.

She didnt want to get into it with the ER people and told them that she “was in the wrong place at the wrong time” but that she was pushed by a police officer.

They also scheduled appointments with attorneys. Linda thought she might be interrogated and wanted some representation. Her husband also found an attorney – just in case.

All computer equipment was confiscated (Linda’s graphic design work had to come to a halt while the “forensics” went for 10 days) She was making up excuses to clients because she didnt feel she could tell them the truth.

When Linda finally called to see if she could get HER computers back (she wasnt being investigagted) the police informed her that there was a warrant for her arrest. A felony charge of “obstruction of justice.” Apparently for trying to slam the door when she didnt even fully know what was happening that morning.

This woman is intelligent, articulate, mild-mannered and I think her biggest crime to date has been a speeding ticket 10 years ago.

Her lawyer advised her that in any other state – not “law and order red-state Virginia” this charge would be laughable and thrown out. But he assured her that if all of the agents/cops stuck together she could very well be screwed and end up with a felony. Apparently he spoke to some of the agents who were at the door and they all insisted that she was in the wrong. They said that the cop identified himself as a police officer and she shoved the door to block him. Linda doesnt remember him saying anything. SHe just remembers feeling scared out of her mind.

For months she was an absolute wreck. She’s been treated for depression and her attorney also told her that the prosecutor might try to make her look crazy to a jury.

I urged her to insist on a trial. It all seemed so ridiculous that I thought it would be dismissed. But all Linda could think was “convicted felon for worrying that my house was broken into.”

She was eventually offered a plea of “disorderly conduct” (misdemeanor) and took it.

Now, she has been approached about a fabulous job in NYC and is terrified to tell her prospective employer that she has a misdemeanor on her record. She told me that VA does not expunge records like other states. Last week she said, “HOW do I explain this?!!”

Sorry this is so long, but this has REALLY bothered me. With all of the crap going on in the world, my friend had to deal with this.

Another friend – a former public defender in Northern CA – said she was probably charged to protect law enforcement from being sued. Because Linda was injured I guess she could have sued. PD friend said with a conviction she would not be able to sue the police.

Isn’t this crazy? I think it was abuse of the judicial system at its best. Meanwhile, Linda has truly not been the same. Her husband thinks she is suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. She’s lost a lot of weight, is depressed and panics if she sees a patrol car. It’s sad.

This is one situation that does, indeed, make me want to Drink Heavily…

[PadreBrian]

Yep, just reschedule. Fast and easy. you can reschedule 3 or 4 times if you want…even 6 months away.

btw, Jury duty is easy. Most of the time you arn’t picked and you can go home, and take the rest of the day off.

[PadreBrian]

Yep, just reschedule. Fast and easy. you can reschedule 3 or 4 times if you want…even 6 months away.

btw, Jury duty is easy. Most of the time you arn’t picked and you can go home, and take the rest of the day off.

[PadreBrian]

Yep, just reschedule. Fast and easy. you can reschedule 3 or 4 times if you want…even 6 months away.

btw, Jury duty is easy. Most of the time you arn’t picked and you can go home, and take the rest of the day off.

[PadreBrian]

Yep, just reschedule. Fast and easy. you can reschedule 3 or 4 times if you want…even 6 months away.

btw, Jury duty is easy. Most of the time you arn’t picked and you can go home, and take the rest of the day off.

[PadreBrian]

Yep, just reschedule. Fast and easy. you can reschedule 3 or 4 times if you want…even 6 months away.

btw, Jury duty is easy. Most of the time you arn’t picked and you can go home, and take the rest of the day off.

[scaredyclassic]

dharmagirl…

whenever i see “resisting arrest”, I always think, the cops beat my guy up and need to protect themselves. It’s not always true, but it’s often true.

She probably woulda beat it at trial, but how long does it take to get a trial going. A long time. How much would it cost without a public defender? a lot. The system wears you down. A misdemeanor starts looking good.

people trust the police. people trust the military. people kinda trust prosecutors. people really mistrust defense lawyers. and I’m sure public defenders are right there at the very bottom. the the weird thing is, I never ever lie to anyone. I really try to work things out fairly. most prosecutors don’t play that fairly, at least with me. people want to beleive that power is not abused, and if it is, it will never be abused in their direction, os what’s the harm.

I’m very sympathetic to your friend. That’s why i always try to my very best to talk people out of pleading guilty when i am damn sure I can win a case. The prosecution and the police need to be humiliated. It’s the only thing that keeps things even a little honest.

Drink Heavily.

[scaredyclassic]

dharmagirl…

whenever i see “resisting arrest”, I always think, the cops beat my guy up and need to protect themselves. It’s not always true, but it’s often true.

She probably woulda beat it at trial, but how long does it take to get a trial going. A long time. How much would it cost without a public defender? a lot. The system wears you down. A misdemeanor starts looking good.

people trust the police. people trust the military. people kinda trust prosecutors. people really mistrust defense lawyers. and I’m sure public defenders are right there at the very bottom. the the weird thing is, I never ever lie to anyone. I really try to work things out fairly. most prosecutors don’t play that fairly, at least with me. people want to beleive that power is not abused, and if it is, it will never be abused in their direction, os what’s the harm.

I’m very sympathetic to your friend. That’s why i always try to my very best to talk people out of pleading guilty when i am damn sure I can win a case. The prosecution and the police need to be humiliated. It’s the only thing that keeps things even a little honest.

Drink Heavily.

[scaredyclassic]

dharmagirl…

whenever i see “resisting arrest”, I always think, the cops beat my guy up and need to protect themselves. It’s not always true, but it’s often true.

She probably woulda beat it at trial, but how long does it take to get a trial going. A long time. How much would it cost without a public defender? a lot. The system wears you down. A misdemeanor starts looking good.

people trust the police. people trust the military. people kinda trust prosecutors. people really mistrust defense lawyers. and I’m sure public defenders are right there at the very bottom. the the weird thing is, I never ever lie to anyone. I really try to work things out fairly. most prosecutors don’t play that fairly, at least with me. people want to beleive that power is not abused, and if it is, it will never be abused in their direction, os what’s the harm.

I’m very sympathetic to your friend. That’s why i always try to my very best to talk people out of pleading guilty when i am damn sure I can win a case. The prosecution and the police need to be humiliated. It’s the only thing that keeps things even a little honest.

Drink Heavily.

[scaredyclassic]

dharmagirl…

whenever i see “resisting arrest”, I always think, the cops beat my guy up and need to protect themselves. It’s not always true, but it’s often true.

She probably woulda beat it at trial, but how long does it take to get a trial going. A long time. How much would it cost without a public defender? a lot. The system wears you down. A misdemeanor starts looking good.

people trust the police. people trust the military. people kinda trust prosecutors. people really mistrust defense lawyers. and I’m sure public defenders are right there at the very bottom. the the weird thing is, I never ever lie to anyone. I really try to work things out fairly. most prosecutors don’t play that fairly, at least with me. people want to beleive that power is not abused, and if it is, it will never be abused in their direction, os what’s the harm.

I’m very sympathetic to your friend. That’s why i always try to my very best to talk people out of pleading guilty when i am damn sure I can win a case. The prosecution and the police need to be humiliated. It’s the only thing that keeps things even a little honest.

Drink Heavily.

[scaredyclassic]

dharmagirl…

whenever i see “resisting arrest”, I always think, the cops beat my guy up and need to protect themselves. It’s not always true, but it’s often true.

She probably woulda beat it at trial, but how long does it take to get a trial going. A long time. How much would it cost without a public defender? a lot. The system wears you down. A misdemeanor starts looking good.

people trust the police. people trust the military. people kinda trust prosecutors. people really mistrust defense lawyers. and I’m sure public defenders are right there at the very bottom. the the weird thing is, I never ever lie to anyone. I really try to work things out fairly. most prosecutors don’t play that fairly, at least with me. people want to beleive that power is not abused, and if it is, it will never be abused in their direction, os what’s the harm.

I’m very sympathetic to your friend. That’s why i always try to my very best to talk people out of pleading guilty when i am damn sure I can win a case. The prosecution and the police need to be humiliated. It’s the only thing that keeps things even a little honest.

Drink Heavily.

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, PD.

She wasnt even resisting arrest. She was minding her own business, on the phone with me asking my advice about one of her cleints, in her own home.

I think her reaction was very primal – “my personal space is being attacked!” They live in an area (very close to D.C.) where people pretend to be cops to break into homes, or pull over young women to attack them. So, I can see why she panicked.

It has been hard to stand by and both see/hear how this has affected Linda. She truly is NOT the same bubbly, spontaneous, fun-loving person that she was before this incident. For several months, she was kind of a zombie. She would call me in tears and say, “If I’m a convicted felon I’ll lose my passport, right? My right to vote?” It has been sad.

One day you are happily living your life as a productive, law-abiding citizen, and the next day you’re charged with a felony. WTF…

As I said, she’s really spun up about having to explain the charge to this firm in NYC (and any other prospective employers). I’ve told her that she just has to hope that someone will realize she’s 38 years old and has never had a blemish on her record – until this. I’ve also told her to just be honest about what happened. It’s such a bizarre story – I cant imagine someone not having compassion.

The ironic thing is that the ‘investigation’ was dropped against her husband. So, she was kinda caught in the crossfire.

This has actually made me lose faith in the system.

Although you sound like a good guy, PD. The world needs more of you.

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, PD.

She wasnt even resisting arrest. She was minding her own business, on the phone with me asking my advice about one of her cleints, in her own home.

I think her reaction was very primal – “my personal space is being attacked!” They live in an area (very close to D.C.) where people pretend to be cops to break into homes, or pull over young women to attack them. So, I can see why she panicked.

It has been hard to stand by and both see/hear how this has affected Linda. She truly is NOT the same bubbly, spontaneous, fun-loving person that she was before this incident. For several months, she was kind of a zombie. She would call me in tears and say, “If I’m a convicted felon I’ll lose my passport, right? My right to vote?” It has been sad.

One day you are happily living your life as a productive, law-abiding citizen, and the next day you’re charged with a felony. WTF…

As I said, she’s really spun up about having to explain the charge to this firm in NYC (and any other prospective employers). I’ve told her that she just has to hope that someone will realize she’s 38 years old and has never had a blemish on her record – until this. I’ve also told her to just be honest about what happened. It’s such a bizarre story – I cant imagine someone not having compassion.

The ironic thing is that the ‘investigation’ was dropped against her husband. So, she was kinda caught in the crossfire.

This has actually made me lose faith in the system.

Although you sound like a good guy, PD. The world needs more of you.

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, PD.

She wasnt even resisting arrest. She was minding her own business, on the phone with me asking my advice about one of her cleints, in her own home.

I think her reaction was very primal – “my personal space is being attacked!” They live in an area (very close to D.C.) where people pretend to be cops to break into homes, or pull over young women to attack them. So, I can see why she panicked.

It has been hard to stand by and both see/hear how this has affected Linda. She truly is NOT the same bubbly, spontaneous, fun-loving person that she was before this incident. For several months, she was kind of a zombie. She would call me in tears and say, “If I’m a convicted felon I’ll lose my passport, right? My right to vote?” It has been sad.

One day you are happily living your life as a productive, law-abiding citizen, and the next day you’re charged with a felony. WTF…

As I said, she’s really spun up about having to explain the charge to this firm in NYC (and any other prospective employers). I’ve told her that she just has to hope that someone will realize she’s 38 years old and has never had a blemish on her record – until this. I’ve also told her to just be honest about what happened. It’s such a bizarre story – I cant imagine someone not having compassion.

The ironic thing is that the ‘investigation’ was dropped against her husband. So, she was kinda caught in the crossfire.

This has actually made me lose faith in the system.

Although you sound like a good guy, PD. The world needs more of you.

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, PD.

She wasnt even resisting arrest. She was minding her own business, on the phone with me asking my advice about one of her cleints, in her own home.

I think her reaction was very primal – “my personal space is being attacked!” They live in an area (very close to D.C.) where people pretend to be cops to break into homes, or pull over young women to attack them. So, I can see why she panicked.

It has been hard to stand by and both see/hear how this has affected Linda. She truly is NOT the same bubbly, spontaneous, fun-loving person that she was before this incident. For several months, she was kind of a zombie. She would call me in tears and say, “If I’m a convicted felon I’ll lose my passport, right? My right to vote?” It has been sad.

One day you are happily living your life as a productive, law-abiding citizen, and the next day you’re charged with a felony. WTF…

As I said, she’s really spun up about having to explain the charge to this firm in NYC (and any other prospective employers). I’ve told her that she just has to hope that someone will realize she’s 38 years old and has never had a blemish on her record – until this. I’ve also told her to just be honest about what happened. It’s such a bizarre story – I cant imagine someone not having compassion.

The ironic thing is that the ‘investigation’ was dropped against her husband. So, she was kinda caught in the crossfire.

This has actually made me lose faith in the system.

Although you sound like a good guy, PD. The world needs more of you.

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