OT: Individualism vs. Collectivism

[drunkle]

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Drunkle,

We have tried Socialism/Collectivism now for 40 years and our country has slowly been degraded to one with massive debt and bloated government. The American dream which started as a grand experiment is slowly dying. Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. Since big government has failed so badly then why try to make it even bigger? Its nuts.

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socialism/collectivism has been going on for thousands of years. monarchies are still societies. tribes in south american rain forests are still societies. the grand experiment is not about ‘individualism’ per se, it’s not about anarchy, it is about protection of individual rights under the framework of a society.

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Why don’t we try something like what the founding fathers wanted. What do you think they meant when they inserted the phase “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” into the Declaration. It wasn’t to condone the government running everyone life. Look at what a basket case California is. Ran into the ground by Socialist.

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the founding fathers established a government in which the society protects the individuals’ rights.

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How can you have liberty when the Government is running your life. Telling you how much you can make, what you have to pay to the state, what you can do in the privacy of your own home.

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the government also provides you the liberties that you enjoy.

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My society would be like the one Milton Friedman suggested and I have said it numerous times.

I say get rid of all government that has nothing to do with defense or law and order. Get rid of all income taxes. Privatize everything possible.
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those goals can only be accomplished through the concerted effort of the collective. that makes you a socialist/collectivist communist!

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Imagine what an extra $2 trillion a year in people’s pockets would do for the country.

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what do you care for the money that other people have? you’re an “individualist”!

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I choose collectivism, even if I’m the only one.

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I choose collectivism, even if I’m the only one.

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I choose collectivism, even if I’m the only one.

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I choose collectivism, even if I’m the only one.

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I choose collectivism, even if I’m the only one.

[greekfire]

I guess I should have prefaced the definitions of the thread with my own “take” on the the two sides of the argument. As I see it, individualism is analyzing the rights of a person based on their individual circumstances and background. Collectivism is analyzing the rights of a GROUP of persons based on similar characteristics (skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.).

In other words, I don’t view my neighbor, who is a Gay, Elderly Black Man; as a member of the Old, Homosexual, or Black communities…But rather I view him as an individual…no different than a Young, Heterosexual White Woman. Each are given the same unalienable rights bestowed upon them by their creator.

[greekfire]

I guess I should have prefaced the definitions of the thread with my own “take” on the the two sides of the argument. As I see it, individualism is analyzing the rights of a person based on their individual circumstances and background. Collectivism is analyzing the rights of a GROUP of persons based on similar characteristics (skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.).

In other words, I don’t view my neighbor, who is a Gay, Elderly Black Man; as a member of the Old, Homosexual, or Black communities…But rather I view him as an individual…no different than a Young, Heterosexual White Woman. Each are given the same unalienable rights bestowed upon them by their creator.

[greekfire]

I guess I should have prefaced the definitions of the thread with my own “take” on the the two sides of the argument. As I see it, individualism is analyzing the rights of a person based on their individual circumstances and background. Collectivism is analyzing the rights of a GROUP of persons based on similar characteristics (skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.).

In other words, I don’t view my neighbor, who is a Gay, Elderly Black Man; as a member of the Old, Homosexual, or Black communities…But rather I view him as an individual…no different than a Young, Heterosexual White Woman. Each are given the same unalienable rights bestowed upon them by their creator.

[greekfire]

I guess I should have prefaced the definitions of the thread with my own “take” on the the two sides of the argument. As I see it, individualism is analyzing the rights of a person based on their individual circumstances and background. Collectivism is analyzing the rights of a GROUP of persons based on similar characteristics (skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.).

In other words, I don’t view my neighbor, who is a Gay, Elderly Black Man; as a member of the Old, Homosexual, or Black communities…But rather I view him as an individual…no different than a Young, Heterosexual White Woman. Each are given the same unalienable rights bestowed upon them by their creator.

[greekfire]

I guess I should have prefaced the definitions of the thread with my own “take” on the the two sides of the argument. As I see it, individualism is analyzing the rights of a person based on their individual circumstances and background. Collectivism is analyzing the rights of a GROUP of persons based on similar characteristics (skin color, sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc.).

In other words, I don’t view my neighbor, who is a Gay, Elderly Black Man; as a member of the Old, Homosexual, or Black communities…But rather I view him as an individual…no different than a Young, Heterosexual White Woman. Each are given the same unalienable rights bestowed upon them by their creator.

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