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November 28, 2011 at 8:26 PM #19322November 28, 2011 at 9:32 PM #733499
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ParticipantIt’s just racism, which is fascism’s 1st cousin.
November 28, 2011 at 9:42 PM #733500CardiffBaseball
ParticipantAt work the other day this Vietnamese guy was bitching about how stupid the Rooney rule was to me and this black guy. I was a bit uncomfortable but my conscious was clear I wasn’t saying it, I was merely listening and playing devil’s advocate (despite deep down hating anything that smacks of affirmative action).
The black guy didn’t say much but, this being Florida he was a Jamaican and some of those brotha’s don’t consider themselves as african-americans. Either that or he just didn’t want to argue I am not certain, but I sensed he basically agreed with the case the other guy was making. The Vietnamese guy while hard to understand was adamant about how he thought it was wasting everyone’s time, and stated his case well. I pretended to take the other side, just to needle him a little.
As a white guy I can’t imagine taking a stand on that issue at work. Not in today’s nanny-state, best to just dummy-up and stay quiet.
November 28, 2011 at 10:07 PM #733503briansd1
GuestWouldn’t some of you say that NFL franchises are private businesses that have the right to operate under their own private rules?
I think it’s pretty smart of private businesses to have diversity. It flows to the bottom line.
You need managers that reflect the diversity of your employees and customer base. It’s a dollars and sense approach, IMO.
November 28, 2011 at 10:41 PM #733505Participant[quote=briansd1]Wouldn’t some of you say that NFL franchises are private businesses that have the right to operate under their own private rules?
I think it’s pretty smart of private businesses to have diversity. It flows to the bottom line.
You need managers that reflect the diversity of your employees and customer base. It’s a dollars and sense approach, IMO.[/quote]
Regardless, it’s still racism/potential discrimination.
And much of the NFL infrastructure was built with public money.
November 28, 2011 at 10:50 PM #733506sdrealtor
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Diversity does not flow to the bottom line in professional sports. Only one thing does….winning!November 28, 2011 at 11:25 PM #733508Guest[quote=sdrealtor]Brian
Diversity does not flow to the bottom line in professional sports. Only one thing does….winning![/quote]Haha… very true.
The NFL owners are a pretty egotistic bunch so I’m sure they won’t let a little rule interfere with their money.
If the players are majority Blacks, it might help to have a Black coach make the team a winning team. That’s what I meant with the bottom line in this case.
November 29, 2011 at 5:09 AM #733509
CoronitaParticipant[quote=briansd1]Wouldn’t some of you say that NFL franchises are private businesses that have the right to operate under their own private rules?
I think it’s pretty smart of private businesses to have diversity. It flows to the bottom line.
You need managers that reflect the diversity of your employees and customer base. It’s a dollars and sense approach, IMO.[/quote]
(bah)….I was going to rant against A.A. and the Asians quotas at college universities versus engineering/med schools admissions …Or at the pathetically sorry state of college admissions for white kids from real economically challenged and socially disadvantaged families…versus A.A. admissions for minority students from affluent communities like Long Island…but I’ll just include links instead….
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/137067/20110421/racial-quotas-universities.htm
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html
Meanwhile, I’m going to remain negative about Affirmative Action and the concept of the asian “minority” classification, while I change my daughter’s last name to “Francisco” before she enters high school.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/asian_americans_and_affirmativ.html
Drop it all please and let’s all play on a level playing field based solely on merit, and at least drop the race critera/quota during the selection process… If we as a society want to help those at an economic/social disadvantage…Fine…Please drop the race criteria also…Oh yeah, and please help U.S. citizens first, if you cannot pay for the bill, or if you plan on asking for increased tax dollars to pay for this….like just about every other country does….
..Well… At least until I get a call from the Chargers asking me if I would like to opportunity to replace Norv Turner….Hey, I’m Asian…There’s never been an Asian NFL coach in history…Screw my limited qualifications (ok, I have none, but big deal), and screw the fact that I’m from C.V. I’m still underprivileged and under represented damnit. I want a coaching job… And at least right now, I can’t possibly make the Chargers play any worse 🙁
November 29, 2011 at 8:24 AM #733519(former)FormerSanDiegan
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..There’s never been an Asian NFL coach in history…[/quote]Norman Chow is Asian. He was a coach in the NFL
First Asian Coach in the Super Bowl: 2007
http://tinyurl.com/2csfd6I think you meant “head coach”
November 29, 2011 at 9:23 AM #733521CoronitaParticipant[quote=FormerSanDiegan][quote=flu]
..There’s never been an Asian NFL coach in history…[/quote]Norman Chow is Asian. He was a coach in the NFL
First Asian Coach in the Super Bowl: 2007
http://tinyurl.com/2csfd6I think you meant “head coach”[/quote]
yup
November 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM #733526GuestFLU, don’t you think that health insurance or any scheme that spreads the cost of medical services is affirmative action for the sick?
Why should the healthy pay for the sick?
November 29, 2011 at 10:50 AM #733527outtamojo
ParticipantNorv Turner as head coach part duex is proof itself that other less conventional types deserve a harder look.
November 29, 2011 at 11:19 AM #733528Anonymous
Guest[quote=briansd1]FLU, don’t you think that health insurance or any scheme that spreads the cost of medical services is affirmative action for the sick?
Why should the healthy pay for the sick?[/quote]
Apples and oranges.
Insurance is about protecting against risk – what may happen in the future.
With health insurance, the “healthy pay for the sick” only after the fact. After the sick become sick.
Of course we can use someone’s past health history to determine their future risk of illness. And insurance companies do just that. An insurance system that did not consider risk when evaluating premiums would not be solvent for very long.
Hiring [should be] about merit – the skills and qualifications that someone has demonstrated in the past and present.
After the fact, you can fire a coach who doesn’t perform. You can’t (legitimately) drop someone’s insurance policy after they get sick.
November 29, 2011 at 12:38 PM #733530Guest[quote=pri_dk]
Apples and oranges.
[/quote]I think it’s more like clementines and oranges.
With pure insurance, you correct that it’s about protection against risk — unforeseen events such as accidents.
But health insurance has evolved to a sort of social program.
The chronically sick know that health insurance is widely available. They expect to obtain insurance simply by being employed or being on the dole.
So the chronically ill, the less “qualified” among us, use health insurance as a kind of entitlement or affirmative action to enjoy opportunities otherwise not available to them.
November 29, 2011 at 12:46 PM #733531GuestAbout the NFL. I’m surprised Ron Paul’s supporters are not all over themselves supporting the Rooney Rule.
BTW, I support affirmative action. It depends on how it’s applied.
If I run a business in a Hispanic area, I will hire a manager who can best relate with my customers and make me more money.
If our society needs more doctors that can serve minority under-served area, we should train students from those areas. They will then become professionals who can best deal with the problems in their communities. Society benefits as a whole.
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