OT: I made bad choices, everyone pitty me.

[NotCranky]

[quote=SellingMyHome][quote=Russell]

Arraya, I guess you didn’t read the whole thread. Lots of people think they should get government sponsored mark downs and keep the house and in many cases,all the goodies and good life memories they bought with the equity. Again, I think you can’t blame them for trying but it is offensive to think about the mechanisms and repercussions involved. I agree with meandale, I would rather see this level of corruption between the government and the banks than the government and individuals or the government, banks and individuals.[/quote]

I still wonder if there wasn’t some way to forgive principal for owners by giving it to their lenders. I’ve heard Jon Stewart discuss it before, between jokes, and it certainly sounded good to me. He is actually fairly intelligent, is neither liberal or conservative.

I’d like to hear arguments for and against that idea.[/quote]

Vulture Funds Raising Profits By Reducing Principal Balances On Mortgages
By twist
When a lousy economy gave them lemons, “vulture” investment firms have found a way to make government backed lemonade:

Investment funds are buying billions of dollars’ worth of home loans, discounted from the loans’ original value. Then, in what might seem an act of charity, the funds are helping homeowners by reducing the size of the loans.

But as part of these deals, the mortgages are being refinanced through lenders that work with government agencies like the Federal Housing Administration. This enables the funds to pocket sizable profits by reselling new, government-insured loans to other federal agencies, which then bundle the mortgages into securities for sale to investors.

While homeowners save money, the arrangement shifts nearly all the risk for the loans to the federal government — and, ultimately, taxpayers — at a time when Americans are falling behind on their mortgage payments in record numbers.

So how does this work? Here’s one example:

Last December, the couple got a letter saying that a firm had purchased the mortgage on their home in Pico Rivera, Calif., from Chase Home Finance for less than its original value. “We want to share this discount with you,” the letter said.

“I couldn’t believe it,” said Mr. Alva, a 62-year-old janitor and father of three. “I kept thinking to myself, ‘Something is wrong, something is wrong. This sounds too good.’ ”

But it was true. The balance on the Alvas’ mortgage was ultimately reduced to $314,000 from $440,000.

The firm behind the reduction remains a mystery. The Alvas’ new loan, backed by the F.H.A., was made by Primary Residential Mortgage, a lender based in Utah. But the letter came from a company called MCM Capital Partners.

In the letter, MCM said the couple’s loan was owned by something called MCMCap Homeowners’ Advantage Trust III. But MCM’s co-founders said in an interview that MCM does not own any mortgages. They would not reveal the investor that owned the Alvas’ loan because they had agreed to keep that client’s identity confidential.

MCMCap is based out of Bethesda, MD. At MCMCap’s website, they describe their operations like this:
MCMCAP Partners LLC and MCMCAP Homeowners Advantage Trusts (together, ‘MCM’) is an independent, private investment trust that invests in residential mortgages. Specifically, we purchase mortgages from some of the largest banks and Wall Street firms and service the loans through our partner, Ocwen Financial Corporation (’Ocwen’). Ocwen is responsible for billing, collection, and reporting borrower payments and loan balances. The credit crisis has allowed MCM to buy loans at a discount which in turn allows us to provide our customers with a unique opportunity: to forgive a portion of the loan balance when a qualified borrower refinances or pays off the loan for any reason. There is no fine print and there are no strings attached! MCM has to date provided principal reductions to thousands of mortgage customers across the country.

We offer debt reduction on every loan in our portfolio as long as borrowers remain current on their payments. For those borrowers who qualify for refinancing, we insist that the new loan offers tangible benefits, including lower interest rates, more stable loan programs, and limited or no closing costs. This unique program for our customers reduces mortgage payment burdens, protects credit histories, and helps stabilize property values; all of which are essential factors in the recovery of the U.S. economy.

There doesn’t seem to be a big question as to whether this is good for the borrower or the investors. What is the question is how much risk these loans have for the government, and ultimately the U.S. taxpayer.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya][quote=drboom][quote=Arraya]
You were tricked by doing what normal humans do, which is trust authority and peers. You should not be faulted for that.[/quote]

Bullshit. Blindly following the herd is the epitome of irresponsibility, not to mention stupidity.

But I think for myself so I might be abnormal.[/quote]

Ahhh… So the Fed is hitler, the senate banking committee the SS and CNBC is Paul Goebbels propaganda arm, with realtors the brown shirts and all us citizens still allow them to remain in charge. So we are all culpable then. Exactly my point.

And the third reich is till pushing people into homes. The evil bastards.

I guess people that remain in their overpriced home are still supporting this evil regime. Good thing some people are hip to their evil plans and strategic defaulting is rising which should be commended.

So what are you doing to stop the national debt holocaust? I bet you are asking people to keep following aren’t you?[/quote]

Arraya: I think that drboom was actually in agreement with you there. It appeared to me that he was arguing that we did NOT have a gun to our heads, unlike the Germans being tried at Nuremburg after WWII, and thus were/are still able to make our own decisions.

I found your likening CNBC to Goebbel’s propaganda machine humorous, but I’d extend the metaphor to include all MSM, not just CNBC. Regardless of leaning/politics, they’re all propaganda machines, intentionally or no. Well… except for Fox News. They’re fair and balanced. KIDDING.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya][quote=drboom][quote=Arraya]
You were tricked by doing what normal humans do, which is trust authority and peers. You should not be faulted for that.[/quote]

Bullshit. Blindly following the herd is the epitome of irresponsibility, not to mention stupidity.

But I think for myself so I might be abnormal.[/quote]

Ahhh… So the Fed is hitler, the senate banking committee the SS and CNBC is Paul Goebbels propaganda arm, with realtors the brown shirts and all us citizens still allow them to remain in charge. So we are all culpable then. Exactly my point.

And the third reich is till pushing people into homes. The evil bastards.

I guess people that remain in their overpriced home are still supporting this evil regime. Good thing some people are hip to their evil plans and strategic defaulting is rising which should be commended.

So what are you doing to stop the national debt holocaust? I bet you are asking people to keep following aren’t you?[/quote]

Arraya: I think that drboom was actually in agreement with you there. It appeared to me that he was arguing that we did NOT have a gun to our heads, unlike the Germans being tried at Nuremburg after WWII, and thus were/are still able to make our own decisions.

I found your likening CNBC to Goebbel’s propaganda machine humorous, but I’d extend the metaphor to include all MSM, not just CNBC. Regardless of leaning/politics, they’re all propaganda machines, intentionally or no. Well… except for Fox News. They’re fair and balanced. KIDDING.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya][quote=drboom][quote=Arraya]
You were tricked by doing what normal humans do, which is trust authority and peers. You should not be faulted for that.[/quote]

Bullshit. Blindly following the herd is the epitome of irresponsibility, not to mention stupidity.

But I think for myself so I might be abnormal.[/quote]

Ahhh… So the Fed is hitler, the senate banking committee the SS and CNBC is Paul Goebbels propaganda arm, with realtors the brown shirts and all us citizens still allow them to remain in charge. So we are all culpable then. Exactly my point.

And the third reich is till pushing people into homes. The evil bastards.

I guess people that remain in their overpriced home are still supporting this evil regime. Good thing some people are hip to their evil plans and strategic defaulting is rising which should be commended.

So what are you doing to stop the national debt holocaust? I bet you are asking people to keep following aren’t you?[/quote]

Arraya: I think that drboom was actually in agreement with you there. It appeared to me that he was arguing that we did NOT have a gun to our heads, unlike the Germans being tried at Nuremburg after WWII, and thus were/are still able to make our own decisions.

I found your likening CNBC to Goebbel’s propaganda machine humorous, but I’d extend the metaphor to include all MSM, not just CNBC. Regardless of leaning/politics, they’re all propaganda machines, intentionally or no. Well… except for Fox News. They’re fair and balanced. KIDDING.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya][quote=drboom][quote=Arraya]
You were tricked by doing what normal humans do, which is trust authority and peers. You should not be faulted for that.[/quote]

Bullshit. Blindly following the herd is the epitome of irresponsibility, not to mention stupidity.

But I think for myself so I might be abnormal.[/quote]

Ahhh… So the Fed is hitler, the senate banking committee the SS and CNBC is Paul Goebbels propaganda arm, with realtors the brown shirts and all us citizens still allow them to remain in charge. So we are all culpable then. Exactly my point.

And the third reich is till pushing people into homes. The evil bastards.

I guess people that remain in their overpriced home are still supporting this evil regime. Good thing some people are hip to their evil plans and strategic defaulting is rising which should be commended.

So what are you doing to stop the national debt holocaust? I bet you are asking people to keep following aren’t you?[/quote]

Arraya: I think that drboom was actually in agreement with you there. It appeared to me that he was arguing that we did NOT have a gun to our heads, unlike the Germans being tried at Nuremburg after WWII, and thus were/are still able to make our own decisions.

I found your likening CNBC to Goebbel’s propaganda machine humorous, but I’d extend the metaphor to include all MSM, not just CNBC. Regardless of leaning/politics, they’re all propaganda machines, intentionally or no. Well… except for Fox News. They’re fair and balanced. KIDDING.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Arraya][quote=drboom][quote=Arraya]
You were tricked by doing what normal humans do, which is trust authority and peers. You should not be faulted for that.[/quote]

Bullshit. Blindly following the herd is the epitome of irresponsibility, not to mention stupidity.

But I think for myself so I might be abnormal.[/quote]

Ahhh… So the Fed is hitler, the senate banking committee the SS and CNBC is Paul Goebbels propaganda arm, with realtors the brown shirts and all us citizens still allow them to remain in charge. So we are all culpable then. Exactly my point.

And the third reich is till pushing people into homes. The evil bastards.

I guess people that remain in their overpriced home are still supporting this evil regime. Good thing some people are hip to their evil plans and strategic defaulting is rising which should be commended.

So what are you doing to stop the national debt holocaust? I bet you are asking people to keep following aren’t you?[/quote]

Arraya: I think that drboom was actually in agreement with you there. It appeared to me that he was arguing that we did NOT have a gun to our heads, unlike the Germans being tried at Nuremburg after WWII, and thus were/are still able to make our own decisions.

I found your likening CNBC to Goebbel’s propaganda machine humorous, but I’d extend the metaphor to include all MSM, not just CNBC. Regardless of leaning/politics, they’re all propaganda machines, intentionally or no. Well… except for Fox News. They’re fair and balanced. KIDDING.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Russ: Now, that’s some diabolical shit there! Yeah, who needs more oversight and regulation, right? We did away with all those nefarious schemes in the ’08 crash.

Damn. This shit just never stops, does it?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Russ: Now, that’s some diabolical shit there! Yeah, who needs more oversight and regulation, right? We did away with all those nefarious schemes in the ’08 crash.

Damn. This shit just never stops, does it?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Russ: Now, that’s some diabolical shit there! Yeah, who needs more oversight and regulation, right? We did away with all those nefarious schemes in the ’08 crash.

Damn. This shit just never stops, does it?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Russ: Now, that’s some diabolical shit there! Yeah, who needs more oversight and regulation, right? We did away with all those nefarious schemes in the ’08 crash.

Damn. This shit just never stops, does it?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Russ: Now, that’s some diabolical shit there! Yeah, who needs more oversight and regulation, right? We did away with all those nefarious schemes in the ’08 crash.

Damn. This shit just never stops, does it?

[creechrr]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
“Igor… Get the bags”

“Good idea master… You take the blond and I’ll take the one in the turban…” My favorite line…

God I miss Madelene Khan…

CE[/quote]

LOL.

Thanks!

[creechrr]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
“Igor… Get the bags”

“Good idea master… You take the blond and I’ll take the one in the turban…” My favorite line…

God I miss Madelene Khan…

CE[/quote]

LOL.

Thanks!

[creechrr]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
“Igor… Get the bags”

“Good idea master… You take the blond and I’ll take the one in the turban…” My favorite line…

God I miss Madelene Khan…

CE[/quote]

LOL.

Thanks!

[creechrr]

[quote=CDMA ENG]
“Igor… Get the bags”

“Good idea master… You take the blond and I’ll take the one in the turban…” My favorite line…

God I miss Madelene Khan…

CE[/quote]

LOL.

Thanks!

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