ot. Freddie gray.

[Coronita]

[quote=SK in CV]

But ultimately, under the circumstances, your question is nothing more than a grotesque diversion. You seek justice for looters. The collective spines of the black community in Baltimore have been busted up for decades by brutal police tactics. I can’t condone, dismiss or defend the mayhem on the streets of Baltimore this week. The vast majority of peaceful protestors on those city streets would probably agree. But absent the looters, the thugs, the actions that created an environment that demanded non-stop focus, would any charges have been brought? Would peaceful protest have yielded similar results? Which crime is worse, a broken window or a broken spine?[/quote]

I didn’t say the police were innocent in this one either did I? But I fail to see where all the merchants that had nothing to do with it had anything to do with this mess. No different than during the L.A. Riots. And I don’t find this a grotesque diversion because unlike you that probably had no relatives or friends that were ever impacted by riots that you had nothing to do with, I did in L.A.. The only thing stupid that these merchants did was I guess setup shop in said areas probably…So the obvious reaction to police excessive use of force is to let a town burn by people who probably don’t even live in that area???

And yes, I think peaceful protests would have brought the same results. We live in a world of social media in which the slightest injustice is publicized near instantaneously. Just take one example of that CFO that went to chick-fil-a that went ballistic on a worker about how horrible she was working for terrible company that was against gay rights,etc. While championing for gay rights is one thing, it was completely out of line to take out out on some worker that has nothing to do with it…. With the social media uproar, that CFO is now unemployed and on foodstamps because no one will hire him (I feel sorry for his family but I can’t seem to feel that sorry for him).

Or to a lesser extent, let’s take the example of two tech workers at a conference that were making crude jokes among themselves, and a women heard it, took a picture of it, blogged about it….Eventually, the two workers got fired, and the woman was fired as well.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/03/21/sexism-public-shaming-via-twitter-leads-to-two-people-getting-fired-including-the-shamer/

So… Yes, I think social media and public shaming is effective at deterring most stupid behavior…And to a lesser extent, ends up probably blowing things completely out of proportion in other cases…No rioting is necessary. 21st century is completely different in which everyone is connected, and we’re all eying each other to make sure we’ll all “nice”.

[CA renter]

Totally agree with you, flu.

This has nothing to do with racism. Yes, police brutality is an issue (unrelated to racism), but inner city crime is no less of an issue. Why isn’t anyone addressing that? Would it make us sound “racist” if we brought it up? It impacts more poor, black people than police brutality does.

[CA renter]

[quote=no_such_reality]Based on the disdain the police showed for his life isn’t the reaction to run from and avoid the logical one?[/quote]

Why do cops show disdain for some people? If you want to respond by claiming racism, then explain why racism exists, particularly where cops and blacks are concerned.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=CA renter]Totally agree with you, flu.

This has nothing to do with racism. Yes, police brutality is an issue (unrelated to racism), but inner city crime is no less of an issue. Why isn’t anyone addressing that? Would it make us sound “racist” if we brought it up? It impacts more poor, black people than police brutality does.[/quote]

Inner city crime is addressed every day. We have among the world’s highest rates of imprisonment and a frighteningly disproportionate number of blacks are incarcerated or on probation or parole.

[FlyerInHi]

CAr, you make I sound like racism is justified.

It maybe OK for private individuals to show disdain for unsavory behavior.

But it’s not OK for the government to institutionalize racism and to pile on punitive policies thinking that will resolve problems. Those policies didn’t work. More hardline policies won’t work.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=CA renter][quote=no_such_reality]Based on the disdain the police showed for his life isn’t the reaction to run from and avoid the logical one?[/quote]

Why do cops show disdain for some people? If you want to respond by claiming racism, then explain why racism exists, particularly where cops and blacks are concerned.[/quote]

racism occurs to and through people. It’s part of society. Black people are biased too v. Blacks. Self loathing. Cops esp.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/black-on-black-racism-the-hazards-of-implicit-bias/384028/

It’s normal to think we’ll if only they behaved and tried like me they’d be successfull. Well cops may think that too and act with bias toward the “losers”.

[scaredyclassic]

But bottom line cops of all colors accept cop philosophy.

[FlyerInHi]

Good article, scaredy.
I was just thinking about the politics of respectability.

Respectability, however, has changed. Respectability doesn’t mean just to conform to he dominant culture because there is a lot in dominant culture that is absolutely not respectable or desirable.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]But bottom line cops of all colors accept cop philosophy.[/quote]

And cop philosophy is not respectable. We need to change it.

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic]But bottom line cops of all colors accept cop philosophy.[/quote]
How do you think the fact that black people commit so much crime on everybody should be dealt with. I am talking about neighborhood level street level abuse of fellow citizens? Way skewed towards black perpetrators from muggings to thefts. What should be done about it? Fill the jails up with people who don’t commit these crimes?

Also a lot of these guys go to jail because their black victims want charges pressed , should we tell them , sorry too many black guys in jail?

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]But bottom line cops of all colors accept cop philosophy.[/quote]
How do you think the fact that black people commit so much crime on everybody should be dealt with. I am talking about neighborhood level street level abuse of fellow citizens? Way skewed towards black perpetrators from muggings to thefts. What should be done about it? Fill the jails up with people who don’t commit these crimes?[/quote]

I don’t know. I’m sad we got here. The truth is there may never be any good way forward. I’m pretty sure it just keeps going like it has but worse.

[FlyerInHi]

We got here because of the oppressive policies of the past, demanded by the popular dominant culture. The war on drugs was one of those misguided polices.

I agree with scaredy that will be get worse because, even if drugs are legalized, the government will want its cut and the street dealers still won’t have jobs.

Thank God we have more respectable people in the ivory tower, looking at data and thinking of reform.

From a pure business/GDP standpoint, had we fully embraced blacks, our society would be richer, more prosperous. We really should think about that when it comes to undocumented immigrants already here.

[NotCranky]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]But bottom line cops of all colors accept cop philosophy.[/quote]
How do you think the fact that black people commit so much crime on everybody should be dealt with. I am talking about neighborhood level street level abuse of fellow citizens? Way skewed towards black perpetrators from muggings to thefts. What should be done about it? Fill the jails up with people who don’t commit these crimes?[/quote]

It’s like crime is a way of expressing entitlement, bizarre as that may sound. I think all of us want to express entitlement one way or another and crime is just the only way some people will ever touch on it, so it’s entrenched in some circles. That’s what I see , a dark and dangerous very unprofitable sense of entitlement in a lot of crime. Maybe there is some sense of revenge or pride in it to, like fuck this guy I am taking his stereo. There is so little money in some of these crimes that even a poor person unmotivated by other things wouldn’t bother. Also so stupid you think some of these thieves and abusers want to go to jail, maybe that’s a problem, some people join the military to get taken care of and some get themselves thrown in jail.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar][quote=scaredyclassic]But bottom line cops of all colors accept cop philosophy.[/quote]
How do you think the fact that black people commit so much crime on everybody should be dealt with. I am talking about neighborhood level street level abuse of fellow citizens? Way skewed towards black perpetrators from muggings to thefts. What should be done about it? Fill the jails up with people who don’t commit these crimes?[/quote]

It’s like crime is a way of expressing entitlement, bizarre as that may sound. I think all of us want to express entitlement one way or another and crime is just the only way some people will ever touch on it, so it’s entrenched in some circles. That’s what I see , a dark and dangerous very unprofitable sense of entitlement in a lot of crime. Maybe there is some sense of revenge or pride in it to, like fuck this guy I am taking his stereo. There is so little money in some of these crimes that even a poor person unmotivated by other things wouldn’t bother. Also so stupid you think some of these thieves and abusers want to go to jail, maybe that’s a problem, some people join the military to get taken care of and some get themselves thrown in jail.[/quote]

Imprisonment does almost seem to have become a rite of passage.

[scaredyclassic]

Someone once broke my window in l.a. for a portable cassette player I bet they would’ve had difficult selling for 5.00 at a yard sale

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