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November 13, 2010 at 8:56 AM #631597November 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM #630524
davelj
Participant[quote=davelj]
I’m going to research this a bit, but I bet that the education budget for CA has increased over the last 12 years at a FAR higher rate than the sum of student population growth plus inflation. And I think I know where most of that ended up. And it ain’t in the classroom.[/quote]
Let’s go to the tape:
1998 CA Dept. of Education budget: $22.3 bil
2010 CA Dept. of Education budget: $52.8 bilThat’s annual growth of 7.5%.
1998 CA population: 33.3 mil
2010 CA population (est.): 37.1 mil.That’s annual growth of 0.9%. Throw in some illegal immigration and I’ll liberally grant growth of 1.5% annually over the period.
Importantly, over the last decade the two age groups contributing most to CA’s growth were 18-24 and 45-64. The school-age group of 5-17 was below CA’s average.
So, let’s take 3% inflation plus my generous 1.5% school-age population growth and – voila! – we get to 4.5% growth in expected education expenditures. But, in fact, it’s been 7.5%. That 3% spread for CA’s largest budget item is the single largest source of our current budget problems. 3% compounded over 12 years on 40% of your budget leads to big problems. Now I’m sure there are other problem areas as well, but until we address the education issue, we’re just pissing in the wind.
November 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM #630602davelj
Participant[quote=davelj]
I’m going to research this a bit, but I bet that the education budget for CA has increased over the last 12 years at a FAR higher rate than the sum of student population growth plus inflation. And I think I know where most of that ended up. And it ain’t in the classroom.[/quote]
Let’s go to the tape:
1998 CA Dept. of Education budget: $22.3 bil
2010 CA Dept. of Education budget: $52.8 bilThat’s annual growth of 7.5%.
1998 CA population: 33.3 mil
2010 CA population (est.): 37.1 mil.That’s annual growth of 0.9%. Throw in some illegal immigration and I’ll liberally grant growth of 1.5% annually over the period.
Importantly, over the last decade the two age groups contributing most to CA’s growth were 18-24 and 45-64. The school-age group of 5-17 was below CA’s average.
So, let’s take 3% inflation plus my generous 1.5% school-age population growth and – voila! – we get to 4.5% growth in expected education expenditures. But, in fact, it’s been 7.5%. That 3% spread for CA’s largest budget item is the single largest source of our current budget problems. 3% compounded over 12 years on 40% of your budget leads to big problems. Now I’m sure there are other problem areas as well, but until we address the education issue, we’re just pissing in the wind.
November 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM #631175davelj
Participant[quote=davelj]
I’m going to research this a bit, but I bet that the education budget for CA has increased over the last 12 years at a FAR higher rate than the sum of student population growth plus inflation. And I think I know where most of that ended up. And it ain’t in the classroom.[/quote]
Let’s go to the tape:
1998 CA Dept. of Education budget: $22.3 bil
2010 CA Dept. of Education budget: $52.8 bilThat’s annual growth of 7.5%.
1998 CA population: 33.3 mil
2010 CA population (est.): 37.1 mil.That’s annual growth of 0.9%. Throw in some illegal immigration and I’ll liberally grant growth of 1.5% annually over the period.
Importantly, over the last decade the two age groups contributing most to CA’s growth were 18-24 and 45-64. The school-age group of 5-17 was below CA’s average.
So, let’s take 3% inflation plus my generous 1.5% school-age population growth and – voila! – we get to 4.5% growth in expected education expenditures. But, in fact, it’s been 7.5%. That 3% spread for CA’s largest budget item is the single largest source of our current budget problems. 3% compounded over 12 years on 40% of your budget leads to big problems. Now I’m sure there are other problem areas as well, but until we address the education issue, we’re just pissing in the wind.
November 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM #631303davelj
Participant[quote=davelj]
I’m going to research this a bit, but I bet that the education budget for CA has increased over the last 12 years at a FAR higher rate than the sum of student population growth plus inflation. And I think I know where most of that ended up. And it ain’t in the classroom.[/quote]
Let’s go to the tape:
1998 CA Dept. of Education budget: $22.3 bil
2010 CA Dept. of Education budget: $52.8 bilThat’s annual growth of 7.5%.
1998 CA population: 33.3 mil
2010 CA population (est.): 37.1 mil.That’s annual growth of 0.9%. Throw in some illegal immigration and I’ll liberally grant growth of 1.5% annually over the period.
Importantly, over the last decade the two age groups contributing most to CA’s growth were 18-24 and 45-64. The school-age group of 5-17 was below CA’s average.
So, let’s take 3% inflation plus my generous 1.5% school-age population growth and – voila! – we get to 4.5% growth in expected education expenditures. But, in fact, it’s been 7.5%. That 3% spread for CA’s largest budget item is the single largest source of our current budget problems. 3% compounded over 12 years on 40% of your budget leads to big problems. Now I’m sure there are other problem areas as well, but until we address the education issue, we’re just pissing in the wind.
November 13, 2010 at 9:32 AM #631622davelj
Participant[quote=davelj]
I’m going to research this a bit, but I bet that the education budget for CA has increased over the last 12 years at a FAR higher rate than the sum of student population growth plus inflation. And I think I know where most of that ended up. And it ain’t in the classroom.[/quote]
Let’s go to the tape:
1998 CA Dept. of Education budget: $22.3 bil
2010 CA Dept. of Education budget: $52.8 bilThat’s annual growth of 7.5%.
1998 CA population: 33.3 mil
2010 CA population (est.): 37.1 mil.That’s annual growth of 0.9%. Throw in some illegal immigration and I’ll liberally grant growth of 1.5% annually over the period.
Importantly, over the last decade the two age groups contributing most to CA’s growth were 18-24 and 45-64. The school-age group of 5-17 was below CA’s average.
So, let’s take 3% inflation plus my generous 1.5% school-age population growth and – voila! – we get to 4.5% growth in expected education expenditures. But, in fact, it’s been 7.5%. That 3% spread for CA’s largest budget item is the single largest source of our current budget problems. 3% compounded over 12 years on 40% of your budget leads to big problems. Now I’m sure there are other problem areas as well, but until we address the education issue, we’re just pissing in the wind.
November 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM #630529EconProf
ParticipantGood points davelj. When you do your research, check out the average compensation for teachers, by state. You’ll find CA teachers are the highest paid in the nation, excepting D.C. This speaks to the power of the teachers union here. And when there are layoffs, the youngest, most enthusiastic, latest hired are laid off first, not the weak teachers in it for a pension.
You’ll also discover that Prop 13 in 1978 resulted in Sacramento taking over much of the financing of schools, and with that funding went the power to dictate much of what happens in local schools. Centralizing power like that almost always creates waste and inefficiency since the local school board know better their own needs. They must accept state dictates and are often forced into programs and hiring needs that don’t directly benefit classroom.November 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM #630607EconProf
ParticipantGood points davelj. When you do your research, check out the average compensation for teachers, by state. You’ll find CA teachers are the highest paid in the nation, excepting D.C. This speaks to the power of the teachers union here. And when there are layoffs, the youngest, most enthusiastic, latest hired are laid off first, not the weak teachers in it for a pension.
You’ll also discover that Prop 13 in 1978 resulted in Sacramento taking over much of the financing of schools, and with that funding went the power to dictate much of what happens in local schools. Centralizing power like that almost always creates waste and inefficiency since the local school board know better their own needs. They must accept state dictates and are often forced into programs and hiring needs that don’t directly benefit classroom.November 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM #631180EconProf
ParticipantGood points davelj. When you do your research, check out the average compensation for teachers, by state. You’ll find CA teachers are the highest paid in the nation, excepting D.C. This speaks to the power of the teachers union here. And when there are layoffs, the youngest, most enthusiastic, latest hired are laid off first, not the weak teachers in it for a pension.
You’ll also discover that Prop 13 in 1978 resulted in Sacramento taking over much of the financing of schools, and with that funding went the power to dictate much of what happens in local schools. Centralizing power like that almost always creates waste and inefficiency since the local school board know better their own needs. They must accept state dictates and are often forced into programs and hiring needs that don’t directly benefit classroom.November 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM #631308EconProf
ParticipantGood points davelj. When you do your research, check out the average compensation for teachers, by state. You’ll find CA teachers are the highest paid in the nation, excepting D.C. This speaks to the power of the teachers union here. And when there are layoffs, the youngest, most enthusiastic, latest hired are laid off first, not the weak teachers in it for a pension.
You’ll also discover that Prop 13 in 1978 resulted in Sacramento taking over much of the financing of schools, and with that funding went the power to dictate much of what happens in local schools. Centralizing power like that almost always creates waste and inefficiency since the local school board know better their own needs. They must accept state dictates and are often forced into programs and hiring needs that don’t directly benefit classroom.November 13, 2010 at 9:35 AM #631627EconProf
ParticipantGood points davelj. When you do your research, check out the average compensation for teachers, by state. You’ll find CA teachers are the highest paid in the nation, excepting D.C. This speaks to the power of the teachers union here. And when there are layoffs, the youngest, most enthusiastic, latest hired are laid off first, not the weak teachers in it for a pension.
You’ll also discover that Prop 13 in 1978 resulted in Sacramento taking over much of the financing of schools, and with that funding went the power to dictate much of what happens in local schools. Centralizing power like that almost always creates waste and inefficiency since the local school board know better their own needs. They must accept state dictates and are often forced into programs and hiring needs that don’t directly benefit classroom.November 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM #630534NotCranky
ParticipantThis backlash against spoiled rotten, fraud perpetuating, protected classes of workers is part of every recession.They are bailed out through it, as much as wall street is. It will go away if there is recovery, if not, perhaps justice will finally start to prevail.
November 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM #630612NotCranky
ParticipantThis backlash against spoiled rotten, fraud perpetuating, protected classes of workers is part of every recession.They are bailed out through it, as much as wall street is. It will go away if there is recovery, if not, perhaps justice will finally start to prevail.
November 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM #631185NotCranky
ParticipantThis backlash against spoiled rotten, fraud perpetuating, protected classes of workers is part of every recession.They are bailed out through it, as much as wall street is. It will go away if there is recovery, if not, perhaps justice will finally start to prevail.
November 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM #631313NotCranky
ParticipantThis backlash against spoiled rotten, fraud perpetuating, protected classes of workers is part of every recession.They are bailed out through it, as much as wall street is. It will go away if there is recovery, if not, perhaps justice will finally start to prevail.
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