OT: Countdown: Three Weeks to Chaos

[SD Realtor]

I guess that is what I am confused about as well Allan. On the one hand our nation will go to crap. I will not argue about that. On the other hand there will now be a “collection of nations” that will “carry the load” be it humanitarian or military wise.

I guess no I do not buy that.

So the premise is that we will all go to crap but in the new world order there will be a more collective environment that will make the world better.

Okay so I guess I am “clinging to nostalgia” when I say I don’t agree with that hope. To me the world will be a worse place.

Again, not an argument that things will get worse here but definitely an argument that the world will be better off.

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]The load will be shared. We are going away from a unipolar world to a multi-polar world.

SDR-That question has probably been going on behind closed doors for a decade or more. It’s way beyond our pay grade. We are just observers.[/quote]

Arraya: Which “load” are we talking about? Are you talking about from a military and security standpoint, like the UN or NATO? If so, I have to be the first to point out that that setup doesn’t work so well, as evidenced by Rwanda, Somalia, the Balkans, etc.

NATO is absolutely useless, as Afghanistan has made us painfully aware and the UN is even worse (see above examples for how truly worthless the “fighting” forces of Holland, India, Pakistan are, not to mention Germany or Italy).[/quote]

That maybe so Allan, and I don’t totally disagree.

However, there is a matter of cost to running the machine. Which is directly tied to the global financial structure, dollar-centric world and oil. Which are all under great pressure. We haven’t been able to afford our country for decades.

I think this is seen as a combination of a concession and structure change towards more stability.

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]The load will be shared. We are going away from a unipolar world to a multi-polar world.

SDR-That question has probably been going on behind closed doors for a decade or more. It’s way beyond our pay grade. We are just observers.[/quote]

Arraya: Which “load” are we talking about? Are you talking about from a military and security standpoint, like the UN or NATO? If so, I have to be the first to point out that that setup doesn’t work so well, as evidenced by Rwanda, Somalia, the Balkans, etc.

NATO is absolutely useless, as Afghanistan has made us painfully aware and the UN is even worse (see above examples for how truly worthless the “fighting” forces of Holland, India, Pakistan are, not to mention Germany or Italy).[/quote]

That maybe so Allan, and I don’t totally disagree.

However, there is a matter of cost to running the machine. Which is directly tied to the global financial structure, dollar-centric world and oil. Which are all under great pressure. We haven’t been able to afford our country for decades.

I think this is seen as a combination of a concession and structure change towards more stability.

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]The load will be shared. We are going away from a unipolar world to a multi-polar world.

SDR-That question has probably been going on behind closed doors for a decade or more. It’s way beyond our pay grade. We are just observers.[/quote]

Arraya: Which “load” are we talking about? Are you talking about from a military and security standpoint, like the UN or NATO? If so, I have to be the first to point out that that setup doesn’t work so well, as evidenced by Rwanda, Somalia, the Balkans, etc.

NATO is absolutely useless, as Afghanistan has made us painfully aware and the UN is even worse (see above examples for how truly worthless the “fighting” forces of Holland, India, Pakistan are, not to mention Germany or Italy).[/quote]

That maybe so Allan, and I don’t totally disagree.

However, there is a matter of cost to running the machine. Which is directly tied to the global financial structure, dollar-centric world and oil. Which are all under great pressure. We haven’t been able to afford our country for decades.

I think this is seen as a combination of a concession and structure change towards more stability.

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]The load will be shared. We are going away from a unipolar world to a multi-polar world.

SDR-That question has probably been going on behind closed doors for a decade or more. It’s way beyond our pay grade. We are just observers.[/quote]

Arraya: Which “load” are we talking about? Are you talking about from a military and security standpoint, like the UN or NATO? If so, I have to be the first to point out that that setup doesn’t work so well, as evidenced by Rwanda, Somalia, the Balkans, etc.

NATO is absolutely useless, as Afghanistan has made us painfully aware and the UN is even worse (see above examples for how truly worthless the “fighting” forces of Holland, India, Pakistan are, not to mention Germany or Italy).[/quote]

That maybe so Allan, and I don’t totally disagree.

However, there is a matter of cost to running the machine. Which is directly tied to the global financial structure, dollar-centric world and oil. Which are all under great pressure. We haven’t been able to afford our country for decades.

I think this is seen as a combination of a concession and structure change towards more stability.

[Arraya]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Arraya]The load will be shared. We are going away from a unipolar world to a multi-polar world.

SDR-That question has probably been going on behind closed doors for a decade or more. It’s way beyond our pay grade. We are just observers.[/quote]

Arraya: Which “load” are we talking about? Are you talking about from a military and security standpoint, like the UN or NATO? If so, I have to be the first to point out that that setup doesn’t work so well, as evidenced by Rwanda, Somalia, the Balkans, etc.

NATO is absolutely useless, as Afghanistan has made us painfully aware and the UN is even worse (see above examples for how truly worthless the “fighting” forces of Holland, India, Pakistan are, not to mention Germany or Italy).[/quote]

That maybe so Allan, and I don’t totally disagree.

However, there is a matter of cost to running the machine. Which is directly tied to the global financial structure, dollar-centric world and oil. Which are all under great pressure. We haven’t been able to afford our country for decades.

I think this is seen as a combination of a concession and structure change towards more stability.

[KSMountain]

Here’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473543586270418.html?mod=rss_Today’s_Most_Popular

Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.

But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.

If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.

Please – don’t let it get that far.

[KSMountain]

Here’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473543586270418.html?mod=rss_Today’s_Most_Popular

Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.

But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.

If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.

Please – don’t let it get that far.

[KSMountain]

Here’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473543586270418.html?mod=rss_Today’s_Most_Popular

Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.

But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.

If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.

Please – don’t let it get that far.

[KSMountain]

Here’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473543586270418.html?mod=rss_Today’s_Most_Popular

Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.

But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.

If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.

Please – don’t let it get that far.

[KSMountain]

Here’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574473543586270418.html?mod=rss_Today’s_Most_Popular

Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.

But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.

If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.

Please – don’t let it get that far.

[KSMountain]

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[KSMountain]

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