OT: Blood is on China’s hands

[briansd1]

[quote=AK]Boy, am I glad you mentioned the so-called “Sunshine Policy” … because it’s been well documented that Kim Dae-jung initiated it with a $500 million payoff to North Korea from a secret political slush fund.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-South_presidential_summit_corruption_allegations

[/quote]

The link you provided indicates a $150 million payoff.

What’s $150 million if peace and raprochement can be achieved, resorts and factories built and jobs provided for thousands of North Koreans?

Do we want the two Koreas to resolve their own problems? Or do we want to own their problems? The South Koreans won’t try very hard as long as we micro-manage their security affairs and hold veto over their decisions.

As I said before, in order to be successful in negotiations, you have to make it worthwhile for the other side.

The problem with North Korea is that we have branded their leadership “evil”. So from their standpoint, what’s there to negotiate? How would you negotiate with a party who’s labeled you evil and thus wants to kill you?

The Axis of Evil doctrine doesn’t leave America much wiggle room for negotiation and for North Korea to negotiate.

[patb]

Um, north Korea gets crazy every now and then.

They blew up the entire cabinet of south Korea one time.

They bombed a few jetliners too.

The t Rick is to wait them out.

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.

[patb]

Um, north Korea gets crazy every now and then.

They blew up the entire cabinet of south Korea one time.

They bombed a few jetliners too.

The t Rick is to wait them out.

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.

[patb]

Um, north Korea gets crazy every now and then.

They blew up the entire cabinet of south Korea one time.

They bombed a few jetliners too.

The t Rick is to wait them out.

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.

[patb]

Um, north Korea gets crazy every now and then.

They blew up the entire cabinet of south Korea one time.

They bombed a few jetliners too.

The t Rick is to wait them out.

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.

[patb]

Um, north Korea gets crazy every now and then.

They blew up the entire cabinet of south Korea one time.

They bombed a few jetliners too.

The t Rick is to wait them out.

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.[/quote]

The best we can do for the North Korean people is to open up their economy.

The model should be how we dealt with Communist Vietnam. Since Clinton normalized relations with Vietnam their country has liberalized; there has been a decade and one-half of phenomenal growth and millions were lifted out of poverty.
The children of the Communist elite are studying in the West; and Vietnam is now an integral part of the world’s economy.

North Korea needs jobs and can provide plenty of cheap labor. South Korean corporations need cheap labor and they have the capital to invest (like they invested in China and Vietnam).

Sure, North Korea has nuclear weapons so that’s something to be dealt with. But isolating North Korea further serves no purpose at all. All that does is cause the leadership to hunker down and become more beligerent.

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.[/quote]

The best we can do for the North Korean people is to open up their economy.

The model should be how we dealt with Communist Vietnam. Since Clinton normalized relations with Vietnam their country has liberalized; there has been a decade and one-half of phenomenal growth and millions were lifted out of poverty.
The children of the Communist elite are studying in the West; and Vietnam is now an integral part of the world’s economy.

North Korea needs jobs and can provide plenty of cheap labor. South Korean corporations need cheap labor and they have the capital to invest (like they invested in China and Vietnam).

Sure, North Korea has nuclear weapons so that’s something to be dealt with. But isolating North Korea further serves no purpose at all. All that does is cause the leadership to hunker down and become more beligerent.

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.[/quote]

The best we can do for the North Korean people is to open up their economy.

The model should be how we dealt with Communist Vietnam. Since Clinton normalized relations with Vietnam their country has liberalized; there has been a decade and one-half of phenomenal growth and millions were lifted out of poverty.
The children of the Communist elite are studying in the West; and Vietnam is now an integral part of the world’s economy.

North Korea needs jobs and can provide plenty of cheap labor. South Korean corporations need cheap labor and they have the capital to invest (like they invested in China and Vietnam).

Sure, North Korea has nuclear weapons so that’s something to be dealt with. But isolating North Korea further serves no purpose at all. All that does is cause the leadership to hunker down and become more beligerent.

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.[/quote]

The best we can do for the North Korean people is to open up their economy.

The model should be how we dealt with Communist Vietnam. Since Clinton normalized relations with Vietnam their country has liberalized; there has been a decade and one-half of phenomenal growth and millions were lifted out of poverty.
The children of the Communist elite are studying in the West; and Vietnam is now an integral part of the world’s economy.

North Korea needs jobs and can provide plenty of cheap labor. South Korean corporations need cheap labor and they have the capital to invest (like they invested in China and Vietnam).

Sure, North Korea has nuclear weapons so that’s something to be dealt with. But isolating North Korea further serves no purpose at all. All that does is cause the leadership to hunker down and become more beligerent.

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]

If we had more people traveling to NK, it would show the nor Koreans they have been screwed.[/quote]

The best we can do for the North Korean people is to open up their economy.

The model should be how we dealt with Communist Vietnam. Since Clinton normalized relations with Vietnam their country has liberalized; there has been a decade and one-half of phenomenal growth and millions were lifted out of poverty.
The children of the Communist elite are studying in the West; and Vietnam is now an integral part of the world’s economy.

North Korea needs jobs and can provide plenty of cheap labor. South Korean corporations need cheap labor and they have the capital to invest (like they invested in China and Vietnam).

Sure, North Korea has nuclear weapons so that’s something to be dealt with. But isolating North Korea further serves no purpose at all. All that does is cause the leadership to hunker down and become more beligerent.

[KIBU]

“the model should be how we dealt with Vietnam”

I would support a model like this if it is at all doable. But comparing NK to VN is like comparing orange and apple. VN was actively looking for improving relations with the US as much or more as the US was. NK has been doing the opposite, pretending to get US cooperation by threatening and open more conflicts. NK also won’t be allowed by China to move closer to the US even if it is a geniune move.

Anyway, here is some news:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=64586

[KIBU]

“the model should be how we dealt with Vietnam”

I would support a model like this if it is at all doable. But comparing NK to VN is like comparing orange and apple. VN was actively looking for improving relations with the US as much or more as the US was. NK has been doing the opposite, pretending to get US cooperation by threatening and open more conflicts. NK also won’t be allowed by China to move closer to the US even if it is a geniune move.

Anyway, here is some news:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=64586

[KIBU]

“the model should be how we dealt with Vietnam”

I would support a model like this if it is at all doable. But comparing NK to VN is like comparing orange and apple. VN was actively looking for improving relations with the US as much or more as the US was. NK has been doing the opposite, pretending to get US cooperation by threatening and open more conflicts. NK also won’t be allowed by China to move closer to the US even if it is a geniune move.

Anyway, here is some news:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=64586

[KIBU]

“the model should be how we dealt with Vietnam”

I would support a model like this if it is at all doable. But comparing NK to VN is like comparing orange and apple. VN was actively looking for improving relations with the US as much or more as the US was. NK has been doing the opposite, pretending to get US cooperation by threatening and open more conflicts. NK also won’t be allowed by China to move closer to the US even if it is a geniune move.

Anyway, here is some news:

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=64586

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