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November 11, 2011 at 4:28 PM #732771November 11, 2011 at 4:54 PM #732773
markmax33
Guest[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=markmax33] I REPEAT the only candidate that has a shot at balancing the budget and stopping us from becoming Greece is Ron Paul.[/quote]
Mark: I’m as conservative as they come and I am all for fiscal prudence and getting “one’s house in order”, but I’m getting ever more irritated with the odious comparisons between the US and Greece.
We are not Greece, there is NO worry that we will become Greece and the oft-repeated meme about how we’re about to follow the Greeks down the shitter is demonstrably false in a wide variety of ways.
To keep it simple, let’s just focus on two. First, Greece does NOT have the option of borrowing in her own currency, unlike the US, which does.
Second, Greece does NOT hold the power over the world’s reserve currency, the US dollar, which the US does. For better or worse, we essentially control that particular spigot and that doesn’t appear to change anytime soon.
I’ll throw a third one out there as well. In spite of the fact that things are dire now and we’re governed by feckless ideologues (the GOP) and bumbling appeasers (no, not the French, the Dems), the US remains the world’s most powerful economy and that also is not likely to change soon, all claims about China’s rise to the contrary. While our situation is dire, it is not irreversible, nor are our problems insoluble. Greece’s situation, on the other hand, is far, far worse and is unlikely to get better anytime soon, if at all.[/quote]
How can you say how bad or good it is when fiat currencies usually fail very quickly? The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
November 11, 2011 at 6:26 PM #732778Guest[quote=svelte][quote=urbanrealtor]
I am glad people vote for him because it splits the right.His popularity is a boost for Obama (for whom I will actually vote).
[/quote]OOooo ya! I had not thought of that!
The golden situation would be for RP to lose the GOP nomination (he will lose) and then run as a third party or independent (he might).
That’s a real possibility!
This could be H Ross all over again…[/quote]
The problem is he splits Obama’s vote almost just as much. Many liberals love him because he supports many things they like:
1. He’s not for federal abortion bans.
2. He’s for pulling out of the wars, remember Obama let them down when they voted him in to get us out of the middle east.Obama’s approval rating is VERY low and those votes are going somewhere.
November 11, 2011 at 9:23 PM #732781urbanrealtor
Participant[quote=markmax33][quote=urbanrealtor]
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of de-nationalizing education.Good catch SK[/quote]
Too bad he was wrong 100% wrong.[/quote]
Apparently Rich agrees with you.
As proven by this quote I have carefully extracted from my rectum.
[quote=Rich Toscano]See, Markmax is my very favoritist troll on this board. I heart his misattributions so.
Everything he says is right.Also, Dan the Urbanrealtor is very very handsome.
His farts smell like fresh biscuits.
I hope someday to do ballet as beautifully as him.I am hoping that these two will pull me into a new, incredibly shallow, political slugfest.
Its the reason I wake up in the morning.
Also, Allan is a socialist and I am a turnip.
And I am the secret identity of Doug Henning.
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[/quote]November 11, 2011 at 9:54 PM #732784ParticipantMy hope is that if I get banned, that it be memorable.
November 11, 2011 at 10:00 PM #732785ParticipantIn case you are wondering about the magician, just type rich toscano into google images.
I find it awesome that his cooking shows up as the like the 5th thing.
November 11, 2011 at 10:00 PM #732786ParticipantI actually don’t know if thats what it is.
I am far too lazy to click on it.November 12, 2011 at 9:22 AM #732789
svelteParticipant[quote=markmax33]
The problem is he splits Obama’s vote almost just as much. Many liberals love him because he supports many things they like:1. He’s not for federal abortion bans.
2. He’s for pulling out of the wars, remember Obama let them down when they voted him in to get us out of the middle east.Obama’s approval rating is VERY low and those votes are going somewhere.[/quote]
Do you honestly think many Dems will vote for a man who is:
– Anti-immigration (enforce border more, no amnesty, end birthright citizenship)
– Anti-abortion (he is for defining life as starting at conception – it’s amazing how you spun this stance with your point #1 above!!!)
– Pro gun rights (wants to repeal Brady Bill and Assault Weapons Ban)
– For Federally funded home schooling
– Anti-union (pro-right to work)
– Trying to eliminate the EPA
I certainly don’t.
November 12, 2011 at 2:55 PM #732797Guest[quote=markmax33]
The problem is he splits Obama’s vote almost just as much. Many liberals love him because he supports many things they like:1. He’s not for federal abortion bans.
2. He’s for pulling out of the wars, remember Obama let them down when they voted him in to get us out of the middle east.Obama’s approval rating is VERY low and those votes are going somewhere.[/quote]
[quote=svelte]
Do you honestly think many Dems will vote for a man who is:
– Anti-immigration (enforce border more, no amnesty, end birthright citizenship)
[/quote]The majority of dems don’t care about this. They are more worried about the border wars Obama has us frighting in 6 or 7 different countries. Obama was quoted as giving them 16 months to get out and he let the Dems all down. When Ron Paul is elected those troops are home on the ship.
[quote=svelte]
– Anti-abortion (he is for defining life as starting at conception – it’s amazing how you spun this stance with your point #1 above!!!)
[/quote]This is a lie 100%: From his website:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
At the same time, Ron Paul believes that the ninth and tenth amendments to the U.S. Constitution do not grant the federal government any authority to legalize or ban abortion. Instead, it is up to the individual states to prohibit abortion.
Do you support an illegal ruling by the supreme court? Isn’t it the President’s #1 job to defend the constitution?
[quote=svelte]
– Pro gun rights (wants to repeal Brady Bill and Assault Weapons Ban)
[/quote]Really a big deal amongst the majority of dems? lol…5% probably really care about this as the MOST important issue.
[quote=svelte]
– For Federally funded home schooling
[/quote]Dems SURELY don’t care about this. Why can’t people get their own education?
[quote=svelte]
– Anti-union (pro-right to work)
[/quote]Sure, but he would cut so much spending and taxes the economy would jump start and everybody would get jobs.
[quote=svelte]
– Trying to eliminate the EPA
[/quote]
Educated Dems don’t care about this because there are like 4 layers of environmental policy in each state. The EPA is an outdated, one size fits all debacle. Strong property rights laws and state EPAs take care of everything already.November 12, 2011 at 4:02 PM #732798svelteParticipant[quote=markmax33]
[quote=svelte]
– Anti-abortion (he is for defining life as starting at conception – it’s amazing how you spun this stance with your point #1 above!!!)
[/quote]This is a lie 100%: From his website:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
[/quote]
WTF?
I can’t figure out if you are not bright, or if you think the rest of us aren’t bright.
From the exact link that you reference:
And as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
If that’s not anti-abortion, I don’t know what is.
If he wants life to be defined at starting at conception, then he wants to end the legality of abortion, plain and simple!! You can’t see that?
Look, Mark, I’ve grown bored of trying to correct this alternate universe in which you appear to live. We’ll talk again about Ron Paul’s chances of being President on November 7, 2012…. 🙂
November 12, 2011 at 4:04 PM #732799SK in CV
Participant[quote=markmax33]
[quote=svelte]
– Anti-abortion (he is for defining life as starting at conception – it’s amazing how you spun this stance with your point #1 above!!!)
[/quote]This is a lie 100%: From his website:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
[/quote]
From HIS website page you linked to:
“He believes that human life starts at conception”
So which part is a lie? errr….a 100% lie?
November 12, 2011 at 4:34 PM #732801Guest[quote=SK in CV][quote=markmax33]
[quote=svelte]
– Anti-abortion (he is for defining life as starting at conception – it’s amazing how you spun this stance with your point #1 above!!!)
[/quote]This is a lie 100%: From his website:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
[/quote]
From HIS website page you linked to:
“He believes that human life starts at conception”
So which part is a lie? errr….a 100% lie?[/quote]
The fact that he is against abortion. He is not for the population. He is against it personally. That’s two VERY different things.
November 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM #732802Guest[quote=svelte][quote=markmax33]
[quote=svelte]
– Anti-abortion (he is for defining life as starting at conception – it’s amazing how you spun this stance with your point #1 above!!!)
[/quote]This is a lie 100%: From his website:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/abortion/
[/quote]
WTF?
I can’t figure out if you are not bright, or if you think the rest of us aren’t bright.
From the exact link that you reference:
And as President, Ron Paul will continue to fight for the same pro-life solutions he has upheld in Congress, including:
* Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.”
* Defining life as beginning at conception by passing a “Sanctity of Life Act.”
If that’s not anti-abortion, I don’t know what is.
If he wants life to be defined at starting at conception, then he wants to end the legality of abortion, plain and simple!! You can’t see that?
Look, Mark, I’ve grown bored of trying to correct this alternate universe in which you appear to live. We’ll talk again about Ron Paul’s chances of being President on November 7, 2012…. :-)[/quote]
ROE VS WADE is unconstitutional. Ask anybody. It should have been left to the states to figure out. He is against violating the constitution.
I’m just correcting the lies in your alternate universe.
If you spent two minutes to read the sanctity of life act you would know it is NOT about abortion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctity_of_Life_Act
It is about removing federal authority that was made up in Roe v Wade and returning to the constitutional stance of leaving it with the states.
November 12, 2011 at 4:54 PM #732803Participant[quote=markmax33]ROE VS WADE is unconstitutional. Ask anybody. [/quote]
I’m pretty sure somebody did ask that question. And not just to anyone, but to the people that count. That would have been Norma McCorvey. She, through her attorneys, asked the SCOTUS in 1973. They answered. You may have heard of the case. Roe v. Wade.
November 12, 2011 at 5:06 PM #732804scaredyclassic
ParticipantI guess that’s the problem. No just anybody gets to decide constitutional law issues. Ultimately, the Supreme Court gets the last say. You can disagree. You can say Gore v. Bush was a travesty, you can say Scalia is hypocritical, you can complain until you’re blue in the face…but the ultimate arbiter of constitutionality is the Supreme Court. If they say it is constitutional, then it is. That’s just the way it is.
If you ask me, I’d say Roe v. Wade did not violate the constitution. My opinion has nothing to do with the issues involved. My opinion is based on the fact that it is a validly issued United States Supreme Court opinion. If they had come outt he other way, I would have the same opinion. It’s constitutional.
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