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March 23, 2011 at 9:21 AM #681096March 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM #679950
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ParticipantThis was where I drew the conclusion that we do not agree,ZK. “If your assertion was that there is no genetic component to alcoholism, then I strongly disagree. In fact, studies have shown not only that there is likely a genetic component, but they have shown which genes contribute.”
I asked you for a link. You said you would get back with one. Maybe I missed it. I have read studies that report those claims and they qualify as the type of work I am criticizing. I did not get the idea that we are agreeing,mostly because of the issue of specificity I thought you were advancing. If you were not claiming genes specific to Alcoholism, Bulimia and Anorexia,that specifically debilitates those people in those ways and not others, than we are closer to agreement.
In my wired for “consumption problems” comments, I did say that this satiation problem could be reflected in genes or some other areas of human existence or both. There are many vehicle for the satiation problem alcohol is just one. The difficulty factor of specific to alcohol are from mal-adaptive problems and from too much for to long. I think we are disagreeing up to this point on more than semantics, but if we are not, thanks for helping me to understand that we are not.
I can’t find examples of anecdotal stories on your part. The “disease”/”symptom” discussion is a difficult one. I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.
March 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM #680004ParticipantThis was where I drew the conclusion that we do not agree,ZK. “If your assertion was that there is no genetic component to alcoholism, then I strongly disagree. In fact, studies have shown not only that there is likely a genetic component, but they have shown which genes contribute.”
I asked you for a link. You said you would get back with one. Maybe I missed it. I have read studies that report those claims and they qualify as the type of work I am criticizing. I did not get the idea that we are agreeing,mostly because of the issue of specificity I thought you were advancing. If you were not claiming genes specific to Alcoholism, Bulimia and Anorexia,that specifically debilitates those people in those ways and not others, than we are closer to agreement.
In my wired for “consumption problems” comments, I did say that this satiation problem could be reflected in genes or some other areas of human existence or both. There are many vehicle for the satiation problem alcohol is just one. The difficulty factor of specific to alcohol are from mal-adaptive problems and from too much for to long. I think we are disagreeing up to this point on more than semantics, but if we are not, thanks for helping me to understand that we are not.
I can’t find examples of anecdotal stories on your part. The “disease”/”symptom” discussion is a difficult one. I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.
March 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM #680620ParticipantThis was where I drew the conclusion that we do not agree,ZK. “If your assertion was that there is no genetic component to alcoholism, then I strongly disagree. In fact, studies have shown not only that there is likely a genetic component, but they have shown which genes contribute.”
I asked you for a link. You said you would get back with one. Maybe I missed it. I have read studies that report those claims and they qualify as the type of work I am criticizing. I did not get the idea that we are agreeing,mostly because of the issue of specificity I thought you were advancing. If you were not claiming genes specific to Alcoholism, Bulimia and Anorexia,that specifically debilitates those people in those ways and not others, than we are closer to agreement.
In my wired for “consumption problems” comments, I did say that this satiation problem could be reflected in genes or some other areas of human existence or both. There are many vehicle for the satiation problem alcohol is just one. The difficulty factor of specific to alcohol are from mal-adaptive problems and from too much for to long. I think we are disagreeing up to this point on more than semantics, but if we are not, thanks for helping me to understand that we are not.
I can’t find examples of anecdotal stories on your part. The “disease”/”symptom” discussion is a difficult one. I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.
March 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM #680757ParticipantThis was where I drew the conclusion that we do not agree,ZK. “If your assertion was that there is no genetic component to alcoholism, then I strongly disagree. In fact, studies have shown not only that there is likely a genetic component, but they have shown which genes contribute.”
I asked you for a link. You said you would get back with one. Maybe I missed it. I have read studies that report those claims and they qualify as the type of work I am criticizing. I did not get the idea that we are agreeing,mostly because of the issue of specificity I thought you were advancing. If you were not claiming genes specific to Alcoholism, Bulimia and Anorexia,that specifically debilitates those people in those ways and not others, than we are closer to agreement.
In my wired for “consumption problems” comments, I did say that this satiation problem could be reflected in genes or some other areas of human existence or both. There are many vehicle for the satiation problem alcohol is just one. The difficulty factor of specific to alcohol are from mal-adaptive problems and from too much for to long. I think we are disagreeing up to this point on more than semantics, but if we are not, thanks for helping me to understand that we are not.
I can’t find examples of anecdotal stories on your part. The “disease”/”symptom” discussion is a difficult one. I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.
March 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM #681111ParticipantThis was where I drew the conclusion that we do not agree,ZK. “If your assertion was that there is no genetic component to alcoholism, then I strongly disagree. In fact, studies have shown not only that there is likely a genetic component, but they have shown which genes contribute.”
I asked you for a link. You said you would get back with one. Maybe I missed it. I have read studies that report those claims and they qualify as the type of work I am criticizing. I did not get the idea that we are agreeing,mostly because of the issue of specificity I thought you were advancing. If you were not claiming genes specific to Alcoholism, Bulimia and Anorexia,that specifically debilitates those people in those ways and not others, than we are closer to agreement.
In my wired for “consumption problems” comments, I did say that this satiation problem could be reflected in genes or some other areas of human existence or both. There are many vehicle for the satiation problem alcohol is just one. The difficulty factor of specific to alcohol are from mal-adaptive problems and from too much for to long. I think we are disagreeing up to this point on more than semantics, but if we are not, thanks for helping me to understand that we are not.
I can’t find examples of anecdotal stories on your part. The “disease”/”symptom” discussion is a difficult one. I certainly don’t think the answer to the anorexic is just eat something. I think it is “Break the Cycle”. Obviously easier said than done.
March 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM #679960ParticipantJP,Since you agree with ZK, Please take anything that you can get from my last post to ZK that applies. Can you give me links that show the metabolism problem that stands up to the critism I met and proof that the metabolism is a key factor in chronic “Alcoholism”? I believe there are people with weaker and stronger livers but I am not a convinced that it is related to an alcoholism gene, or Chronic Alcoholism.
March 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM #680014ParticipantJP,Since you agree with ZK, Please take anything that you can get from my last post to ZK that applies. Can you give me links that show the metabolism problem that stands up to the critism I met and proof that the metabolism is a key factor in chronic “Alcoholism”? I believe there are people with weaker and stronger livers but I am not a convinced that it is related to an alcoholism gene, or Chronic Alcoholism.
March 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM #680630ParticipantJP,Since you agree with ZK, Please take anything that you can get from my last post to ZK that applies. Can you give me links that show the metabolism problem that stands up to the critism I met and proof that the metabolism is a key factor in chronic “Alcoholism”? I believe there are people with weaker and stronger livers but I am not a convinced that it is related to an alcoholism gene, or Chronic Alcoholism.
March 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM #680767ParticipantJP,Since you agree with ZK, Please take anything that you can get from my last post to ZK that applies. Can you give me links that show the metabolism problem that stands up to the critism I met and proof that the metabolism is a key factor in chronic “Alcoholism”? I believe there are people with weaker and stronger livers but I am not a convinced that it is related to an alcoholism gene, or Chronic Alcoholism.
March 23, 2011 at 10:03 AM #681121ParticipantJP,Since you agree with ZK, Please take anything that you can get from my last post to ZK that applies. Can you give me links that show the metabolism problem that stands up to the critism I met and proof that the metabolism is a key factor in chronic “Alcoholism”? I believe there are people with weaker and stronger livers but I am not a convinced that it is related to an alcoholism gene, or Chronic Alcoholism.
March 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM #679965Aecetia
Participant“There is a growing body of scientific evidence that alcoholism has a genetic component, but the actual gene that may cause it has yet to be identified.
Studies of laboratory animals as well as human test subjects indicate that genetic factors play a major role in the development of alcoholism, but just how much a factor remains undetermined.”March 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM #680019Participant“There is a growing body of scientific evidence that alcoholism has a genetic component, but the actual gene that may cause it has yet to be identified.
Studies of laboratory animals as well as human test subjects indicate that genetic factors play a major role in the development of alcoholism, but just how much a factor remains undetermined.”March 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM #680635Participant“There is a growing body of scientific evidence that alcoholism has a genetic component, but the actual gene that may cause it has yet to be identified.
Studies of laboratory animals as well as human test subjects indicate that genetic factors play a major role in the development of alcoholism, but just how much a factor remains undetermined.”March 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM #680772Participant“There is a growing body of scientific evidence that alcoholism has a genetic component, but the actual gene that may cause it has yet to be identified.
Studies of laboratory animals as well as human test subjects indicate that genetic factors play a major role in the development of alcoholism, but just how much a factor remains undetermined.” -
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