OT – Alcoholism and Addiction

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http://Www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com

do not buy him a subscription.

Personally I love to drink and get drunk with others, hate to clean the house.

It’s much better seeming from the inside.

Great read for the glorification of alcoholics; I hope they serve beer in he’ll by Tucker max

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brian – tough love. Nothing you can do, really. Perhaps try an intervention w/other family and friends. But pretty much you have no control over them. They have to hit bottom and realize on their own they have a problem. Telling them won’t help. They probably know and don’t care or don’t want to accept that they have a problem. Some functional alcoholics never hit bottom.

It has little to do w/will power. I remember reading that some alcoholics lack a certain enzyme or some such thing that allows them to process alcohol like most people do. I could have half a glass of wine and stop. Alcoholics just keep drinking until they pass out. It is a horrible disease. Drinking is a social thing, but alcoholics either can never drink or just keep drinking. Physically, it is addicting, also. Perhaps not as bad as nicotine or heroin. But the effects of alcohol withdrawal on the liver are also horrible, delirium tremens.

I always say alcoholics are good people w/a bad problem.

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brian – tough love. Nothing you can do, really. Perhaps try an intervention w/other family and friends. But pretty much you have no control over them. They have to hit bottom and realize on their own they have a problem. Telling them won’t help. They probably know and don’t care or don’t want to accept that they have a problem. Some functional alcoholics never hit bottom.

It has little to do w/will power. I remember reading that some alcoholics lack a certain enzyme or some such thing that allows them to process alcohol like most people do. I could have half a glass of wine and stop. Alcoholics just keep drinking until they pass out. It is a horrible disease. Drinking is a social thing, but alcoholics either can never drink or just keep drinking. Physically, it is addicting, also. Perhaps not as bad as nicotine or heroin. But the effects of alcohol withdrawal on the liver are also horrible, delirium tremens.

I always say alcoholics are good people w/a bad problem.

[jpinpb]

brian – tough love. Nothing you can do, really. Perhaps try an intervention w/other family and friends. But pretty much you have no control over them. They have to hit bottom and realize on their own they have a problem. Telling them won’t help. They probably know and don’t care or don’t want to accept that they have a problem. Some functional alcoholics never hit bottom.

It has little to do w/will power. I remember reading that some alcoholics lack a certain enzyme or some such thing that allows them to process alcohol like most people do. I could have half a glass of wine and stop. Alcoholics just keep drinking until they pass out. It is a horrible disease. Drinking is a social thing, but alcoholics either can never drink or just keep drinking. Physically, it is addicting, also. Perhaps not as bad as nicotine or heroin. But the effects of alcohol withdrawal on the liver are also horrible, delirium tremens.

I always say alcoholics are good people w/a bad problem.

[jpinpb]

brian – tough love. Nothing you can do, really. Perhaps try an intervention w/other family and friends. But pretty much you have no control over them. They have to hit bottom and realize on their own they have a problem. Telling them won’t help. They probably know and don’t care or don’t want to accept that they have a problem. Some functional alcoholics never hit bottom.

It has little to do w/will power. I remember reading that some alcoholics lack a certain enzyme or some such thing that allows them to process alcohol like most people do. I could have half a glass of wine and stop. Alcoholics just keep drinking until they pass out. It is a horrible disease. Drinking is a social thing, but alcoholics either can never drink or just keep drinking. Physically, it is addicting, also. Perhaps not as bad as nicotine or heroin. But the effects of alcohol withdrawal on the liver are also horrible, delirium tremens.

I always say alcoholics are good people w/a bad problem.

[jpinpb]

brian – tough love. Nothing you can do, really. Perhaps try an intervention w/other family and friends. But pretty much you have no control over them. They have to hit bottom and realize on their own they have a problem. Telling them won’t help. They probably know and don’t care or don’t want to accept that they have a problem. Some functional alcoholics never hit bottom.

It has little to do w/will power. I remember reading that some alcoholics lack a certain enzyme or some such thing that allows them to process alcohol like most people do. I could have half a glass of wine and stop. Alcoholics just keep drinking until they pass out. It is a horrible disease. Drinking is a social thing, but alcoholics either can never drink or just keep drinking. Physically, it is addicting, also. Perhaps not as bad as nicotine or heroin. But the effects of alcohol withdrawal on the liver are also horrible, delirium tremens.

I always say alcoholics are good people w/a bad problem.

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Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.

I’ve seen drug and alcohol addiction up close (immediate family). Until the person admits they have ANY problem, they’re not going to change. In order to convince them they have a problem you’d better at least pretend to care.

Also, there are often root problems that need addressing in order to deal with addiction. In my family member’s case there were two root causes – pain from a long forgotten bone break – that was being self medicated. (Ankle hurts, so lets have a scotch to make it hurt less.) And being in a miserable marriage with no good way out… Surgery helped alleviate the pain and self medication – and re-engaging in the marriage helped the emotional problems. Once those causes were mitigated, the person was willing to admit a problem and start cutting back. But even then years of abuse/habit/craving were hard to undo. It’s not an easy addiction to stop.

Will power works great in avoiding the start of addiction, but not so much when the physical addiction is there.

[UCGal]

Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.

I’ve seen drug and alcohol addiction up close (immediate family). Until the person admits they have ANY problem, they’re not going to change. In order to convince them they have a problem you’d better at least pretend to care.

Also, there are often root problems that need addressing in order to deal with addiction. In my family member’s case there were two root causes – pain from a long forgotten bone break – that was being self medicated. (Ankle hurts, so lets have a scotch to make it hurt less.) And being in a miserable marriage with no good way out… Surgery helped alleviate the pain and self medication – and re-engaging in the marriage helped the emotional problems. Once those causes were mitigated, the person was willing to admit a problem and start cutting back. But even then years of abuse/habit/craving were hard to undo. It’s not an easy addiction to stop.

Will power works great in avoiding the start of addiction, but not so much when the physical addiction is there.

[UCGal]

Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.

I’ve seen drug and alcohol addiction up close (immediate family). Until the person admits they have ANY problem, they’re not going to change. In order to convince them they have a problem you’d better at least pretend to care.

Also, there are often root problems that need addressing in order to deal with addiction. In my family member’s case there were two root causes – pain from a long forgotten bone break – that was being self medicated. (Ankle hurts, so lets have a scotch to make it hurt less.) And being in a miserable marriage with no good way out… Surgery helped alleviate the pain and self medication – and re-engaging in the marriage helped the emotional problems. Once those causes were mitigated, the person was willing to admit a problem and start cutting back. But even then years of abuse/habit/craving were hard to undo. It’s not an easy addiction to stop.

Will power works great in avoiding the start of addiction, but not so much when the physical addiction is there.

[UCGal]

Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.

I’ve seen drug and alcohol addiction up close (immediate family). Until the person admits they have ANY problem, they’re not going to change. In order to convince them they have a problem you’d better at least pretend to care.

Also, there are often root problems that need addressing in order to deal with addiction. In my family member’s case there were two root causes – pain from a long forgotten bone break – that was being self medicated. (Ankle hurts, so lets have a scotch to make it hurt less.) And being in a miserable marriage with no good way out… Surgery helped alleviate the pain and self medication – and re-engaging in the marriage helped the emotional problems. Once those causes were mitigated, the person was willing to admit a problem and start cutting back. But even then years of abuse/habit/craving were hard to undo. It’s not an easy addiction to stop.

Will power works great in avoiding the start of addiction, but not so much when the physical addiction is there.

[UCGal]

Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.

I’ve seen drug and alcohol addiction up close (immediate family). Until the person admits they have ANY problem, they’re not going to change. In order to convince them they have a problem you’d better at least pretend to care.

Also, there are often root problems that need addressing in order to deal with addiction. In my family member’s case there were two root causes – pain from a long forgotten bone break – that was being self medicated. (Ankle hurts, so lets have a scotch to make it hurt less.) And being in a miserable marriage with no good way out… Surgery helped alleviate the pain and self medication – and re-engaging in the marriage helped the emotional problems. Once those causes were mitigated, the person was willing to admit a problem and start cutting back. But even then years of abuse/habit/craving were hard to undo. It’s not an easy addiction to stop.

Will power works great in avoiding the start of addiction, but not so much when the physical addiction is there.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.
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I went to visit this past weekend. And, yeah, I’m kind of disgusted. The house was a cluster-fuck — magazines and papers everywhere, empty boxes, etc…

I didn’t realize it was that bad.

He’s an old college friend. Not sure what I can do.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.
[/quote]

I went to visit this past weekend. And, yeah, I’m kind of disgusted. The house was a cluster-fuck — magazines and papers everywhere, empty boxes, etc…

I didn’t realize it was that bad.

He’s an old college friend. Not sure what I can do.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.
[/quote]

I went to visit this past weekend. And, yeah, I’m kind of disgusted. The house was a cluster-fuck — magazines and papers everywhere, empty boxes, etc…

I didn’t realize it was that bad.

He’s an old college friend. Not sure what I can do.

[briansd1]

[quote=UCGal]Truthfully Brian – it sounds more like you are disgusted with your friend, than compassionate.
[/quote]

I went to visit this past weekend. And, yeah, I’m kind of disgusted. The house was a cluster-fuck — magazines and papers everywhere, empty boxes, etc…

I didn’t realize it was that bad.

He’s an old college friend. Not sure what I can do.

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