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July 23, 2008 at 7:28 PM #245682July 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM #245586jficquetteParticipant
A gaffe is like when he said there were 57 states or when he said that Kentucky neigbored Arkansas.
Obama lied about serving on the Banking Committee and that is no gaffe.John
July 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM #245736jficquetteParticipantA gaffe is like when he said there were 57 states or when he said that Kentucky neigbored Arkansas.
Obama lied about serving on the Banking Committee and that is no gaffe.John
July 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM #245743jficquetteParticipantA gaffe is like when he said there were 57 states or when he said that Kentucky neigbored Arkansas.
Obama lied about serving on the Banking Committee and that is no gaffe.John
July 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM #245802jficquetteParticipantA gaffe is like when he said there were 57 states or when he said that Kentucky neigbored Arkansas.
Obama lied about serving on the Banking Committee and that is no gaffe.John
July 23, 2008 at 9:35 PM #245809jficquetteParticipantA gaffe is like when he said there were 57 states or when he said that Kentucky neigbored Arkansas.
Obama lied about serving on the Banking Committee and that is no gaffe.John
July 23, 2008 at 9:39 PM #245597surveyorParticipant[quote=Shadowfax]
Not to beat a dead horse, Surveyor, but you HAVE said repeatedly that your position on g’s questions re foreign policy options is irrelevant and then spent the rest of each post just taking him to task for several (rather dull and insulting) paragraphs. I think, in all fairness, all g is asking is for you to provide your opinions re foreign policy. That might spark his interest enough to actually read your post.
[/quote]shadowfax: I say that my foreign policy positions are irrelevant because a) I’m not running for president and I am not able to change or suggest policy, b) often when people are asked for their foreign policy views, it is used against them as a means to label them as wacko, crazy, or as an indictment, and finally, c) posting my views of foreign policy would not only take so much time (in order to speak precisely), it would detract away from the discussion of whether Obama’s policies are correct or wrong, or even if McCain’s policies are correct or wrong.
As for the “insults”, I feel that I have to respond forcefully when certain people have said to my face that I am “full of sh!t” or imply that I am a “partisan” and use that as a veiled insult. I certainly am not directing it at anyone else other than gandalf. I have never said anything of the like to anyone else, but when it is directed at me, I do tire of it.
[quote=gandalf]BTW, surveyor? I actually do read yer posts. I can’t make sense of them!! But I read them… Soldier on. I’ll keep reading. Maybe we end up on the same side of a housing issue one of these days.[/quote]
I rest my case…
Gandalf, there are quite a few issues that we are on the same side on, despite our differences. I certainly support energy independence, I support going after Saudi Arabia and holding their feet to the fire more forcefully. You’d probably be surprised at how many positions that you and I are on the same side.
July 23, 2008 at 9:39 PM #245746surveyorParticipant[quote=Shadowfax]
Not to beat a dead horse, Surveyor, but you HAVE said repeatedly that your position on g’s questions re foreign policy options is irrelevant and then spent the rest of each post just taking him to task for several (rather dull and insulting) paragraphs. I think, in all fairness, all g is asking is for you to provide your opinions re foreign policy. That might spark his interest enough to actually read your post.
[/quote]shadowfax: I say that my foreign policy positions are irrelevant because a) I’m not running for president and I am not able to change or suggest policy, b) often when people are asked for their foreign policy views, it is used against them as a means to label them as wacko, crazy, or as an indictment, and finally, c) posting my views of foreign policy would not only take so much time (in order to speak precisely), it would detract away from the discussion of whether Obama’s policies are correct or wrong, or even if McCain’s policies are correct or wrong.
As for the “insults”, I feel that I have to respond forcefully when certain people have said to my face that I am “full of sh!t” or imply that I am a “partisan” and use that as a veiled insult. I certainly am not directing it at anyone else other than gandalf. I have never said anything of the like to anyone else, but when it is directed at me, I do tire of it.
[quote=gandalf]BTW, surveyor? I actually do read yer posts. I can’t make sense of them!! But I read them… Soldier on. I’ll keep reading. Maybe we end up on the same side of a housing issue one of these days.[/quote]
I rest my case…
Gandalf, there are quite a few issues that we are on the same side on, despite our differences. I certainly support energy independence, I support going after Saudi Arabia and holding their feet to the fire more forcefully. You’d probably be surprised at how many positions that you and I are on the same side.
July 23, 2008 at 9:39 PM #245753surveyorParticipant[quote=Shadowfax]
Not to beat a dead horse, Surveyor, but you HAVE said repeatedly that your position on g’s questions re foreign policy options is irrelevant and then spent the rest of each post just taking him to task for several (rather dull and insulting) paragraphs. I think, in all fairness, all g is asking is for you to provide your opinions re foreign policy. That might spark his interest enough to actually read your post.
[/quote]shadowfax: I say that my foreign policy positions are irrelevant because a) I’m not running for president and I am not able to change or suggest policy, b) often when people are asked for their foreign policy views, it is used against them as a means to label them as wacko, crazy, or as an indictment, and finally, c) posting my views of foreign policy would not only take so much time (in order to speak precisely), it would detract away from the discussion of whether Obama’s policies are correct or wrong, or even if McCain’s policies are correct or wrong.
As for the “insults”, I feel that I have to respond forcefully when certain people have said to my face that I am “full of sh!t” or imply that I am a “partisan” and use that as a veiled insult. I certainly am not directing it at anyone else other than gandalf. I have never said anything of the like to anyone else, but when it is directed at me, I do tire of it.
[quote=gandalf]BTW, surveyor? I actually do read yer posts. I can’t make sense of them!! But I read them… Soldier on. I’ll keep reading. Maybe we end up on the same side of a housing issue one of these days.[/quote]
I rest my case…
Gandalf, there are quite a few issues that we are on the same side on, despite our differences. I certainly support energy independence, I support going after Saudi Arabia and holding their feet to the fire more forcefully. You’d probably be surprised at how many positions that you and I are on the same side.
July 23, 2008 at 9:39 PM #245812surveyorParticipant[quote=Shadowfax]
Not to beat a dead horse, Surveyor, but you HAVE said repeatedly that your position on g’s questions re foreign policy options is irrelevant and then spent the rest of each post just taking him to task for several (rather dull and insulting) paragraphs. I think, in all fairness, all g is asking is for you to provide your opinions re foreign policy. That might spark his interest enough to actually read your post.
[/quote]shadowfax: I say that my foreign policy positions are irrelevant because a) I’m not running for president and I am not able to change or suggest policy, b) often when people are asked for their foreign policy views, it is used against them as a means to label them as wacko, crazy, or as an indictment, and finally, c) posting my views of foreign policy would not only take so much time (in order to speak precisely), it would detract away from the discussion of whether Obama’s policies are correct or wrong, or even if McCain’s policies are correct or wrong.
As for the “insults”, I feel that I have to respond forcefully when certain people have said to my face that I am “full of sh!t” or imply that I am a “partisan” and use that as a veiled insult. I certainly am not directing it at anyone else other than gandalf. I have never said anything of the like to anyone else, but when it is directed at me, I do tire of it.
[quote=gandalf]BTW, surveyor? I actually do read yer posts. I can’t make sense of them!! But I read them… Soldier on. I’ll keep reading. Maybe we end up on the same side of a housing issue one of these days.[/quote]
I rest my case…
Gandalf, there are quite a few issues that we are on the same side on, despite our differences. I certainly support energy independence, I support going after Saudi Arabia and holding their feet to the fire more forcefully. You’d probably be surprised at how many positions that you and I are on the same side.
July 23, 2008 at 9:39 PM #245819surveyorParticipant[quote=Shadowfax]
Not to beat a dead horse, Surveyor, but you HAVE said repeatedly that your position on g’s questions re foreign policy options is irrelevant and then spent the rest of each post just taking him to task for several (rather dull and insulting) paragraphs. I think, in all fairness, all g is asking is for you to provide your opinions re foreign policy. That might spark his interest enough to actually read your post.
[/quote]shadowfax: I say that my foreign policy positions are irrelevant because a) I’m not running for president and I am not able to change or suggest policy, b) often when people are asked for their foreign policy views, it is used against them as a means to label them as wacko, crazy, or as an indictment, and finally, c) posting my views of foreign policy would not only take so much time (in order to speak precisely), it would detract away from the discussion of whether Obama’s policies are correct or wrong, or even if McCain’s policies are correct or wrong.
As for the “insults”, I feel that I have to respond forcefully when certain people have said to my face that I am “full of sh!t” or imply that I am a “partisan” and use that as a veiled insult. I certainly am not directing it at anyone else other than gandalf. I have never said anything of the like to anyone else, but when it is directed at me, I do tire of it.
[quote=gandalf]BTW, surveyor? I actually do read yer posts. I can’t make sense of them!! But I read them… Soldier on. I’ll keep reading. Maybe we end up on the same side of a housing issue one of these days.[/quote]
I rest my case…
Gandalf, there are quite a few issues that we are on the same side on, despite our differences. I certainly support energy independence, I support going after Saudi Arabia and holding their feet to the fire more forcefully. You’d probably be surprised at how many positions that you and I are on the same side.
July 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM #245612surveyorParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]
If we are doing a comparison of gotchas and verbal gaffes, then why use Obama as a target?[/quote]Well, he’s only running for president. I do notice that many people are critical of George W. Bush because they say he lies, that he can’t speak well, and they use that to insult his intelligence and make fun of him. However, when Obama does the same things, people object to calling him out on those mistakes. Hardly sounds fair. As Americans, we should be able to kick the tires before we buy the car, can’t we?
And besides, if Obama is unable to speak well, he has a thin resume, has a lack of understanding regarding history, and then he lies, what else does he have to offer? Is this really a person you want for president? Really?
I actually don’t mind Obama making mistakes (in my view, the only way not to make mistakes is to not do anything), but we should be able to at least call him to task for it.
July 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM #245761surveyorParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]
If we are doing a comparison of gotchas and verbal gaffes, then why use Obama as a target?[/quote]Well, he’s only running for president. I do notice that many people are critical of George W. Bush because they say he lies, that he can’t speak well, and they use that to insult his intelligence and make fun of him. However, when Obama does the same things, people object to calling him out on those mistakes. Hardly sounds fair. As Americans, we should be able to kick the tires before we buy the car, can’t we?
And besides, if Obama is unable to speak well, he has a thin resume, has a lack of understanding regarding history, and then he lies, what else does he have to offer? Is this really a person you want for president? Really?
I actually don’t mind Obama making mistakes (in my view, the only way not to make mistakes is to not do anything), but we should be able to at least call him to task for it.
July 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM #245769surveyorParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]
If we are doing a comparison of gotchas and verbal gaffes, then why use Obama as a target?[/quote]Well, he’s only running for president. I do notice that many people are critical of George W. Bush because they say he lies, that he can’t speak well, and they use that to insult his intelligence and make fun of him. However, when Obama does the same things, people object to calling him out on those mistakes. Hardly sounds fair. As Americans, we should be able to kick the tires before we buy the car, can’t we?
And besides, if Obama is unable to speak well, he has a thin resume, has a lack of understanding regarding history, and then he lies, what else does he have to offer? Is this really a person you want for president? Really?
I actually don’t mind Obama making mistakes (in my view, the only way not to make mistakes is to not do anything), but we should be able to at least call him to task for it.
July 23, 2008 at 9:49 PM #245827surveyorParticipant[quote=urbanrealtor]
If we are doing a comparison of gotchas and verbal gaffes, then why use Obama as a target?[/quote]Well, he’s only running for president. I do notice that many people are critical of George W. Bush because they say he lies, that he can’t speak well, and they use that to insult his intelligence and make fun of him. However, when Obama does the same things, people object to calling him out on those mistakes. Hardly sounds fair. As Americans, we should be able to kick the tires before we buy the car, can’t we?
And besides, if Obama is unable to speak well, he has a thin resume, has a lack of understanding regarding history, and then he lies, what else does he have to offer? Is this really a person you want for president? Really?
I actually don’t mind Obama making mistakes (in my view, the only way not to make mistakes is to not do anything), but we should be able to at least call him to task for it.
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