Optimist or pessimist on the future of the country?

[gogogosandiego]

I was going off memory and I used 1.5% b/c I thought the actual rate was something like 1.2% or 1.3%.

A 1% growth rate is basically a rounding error. A nothing.
Where the intelligence factor comes in is when someone doesn’t like or understand that 1.1% is a nothing burger they start going on about “LA Basin’s worth of people” as if that somehow changes the argument. Smart people understand percentages. Dumb people think “well golly that’s a lot of people”.

It’s 1% of what we already have.

For some context the LA Basin size wise is about 5k square miles. The US as a country is close to 4m square miles. (Yes, I looked up both but feel free to check them). And we’re talking a worldwide growth rate.

[PCinSD]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

it is interesting how much incest laws vary across the US. there are lot of small variations in what does and doesnt constitute incest.

19 states permit first cousin marriage, including Alaska, colorado, NY, massachusetts, hawaii, and others.
Certainly not stereotypically “backwards” states. :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_law_in_the_United_States

apparently kentucky prohibits it, and wont even recognize sucha marriage if legally done outside kentucky.

Kentucky rule:

Section 402.010 – Degree of relationship that will bar marriage
(1) No marriage shall be contracted between persons who are nearer of kin to each other by consanguinity, whether of the whole or half-blood, than second cousins.
(2) Marriages prohibited by subsection (1) of this section are incestuous and void.

It’s also unclear whether this is a good or bad thing. It might be all right for first cousins to marry.

Historically, the pool of available mating partners has often been pretty small, with lots of “genetic bottleups” at various points in time, and lots of cousin marriage in all of our family trees.

I read recently that all ashkenazi jews may possibly be able to trace their lineage back to just 300 people. so there was by necessity a LOT of cousin marriage.

so it isn’t really necessarily a slur to say a state allows cousin marriage, or even that it is a bad thing. keeps assets in the family, better insight into marriage partner and family, family control of couple and offspring, etc.

immediate family members, however, should not marry. for instance, donald trump should definitely not procreate or be permitted to marry his daughter, even if he is the president of the free world, and he really really really wants to. Society has a right to draw the line there. the science, as well as the aesthetics are clear.

my personal feeling is that it was a good idea to get far away from my people, and mate with someone of a very very different genetic background. I don’t particularly have a scientific basis for thinking this will make the offspring healthier, but it seemed like the right thing to do.

however, i do believe that cousin marriage should be universally legal in the united states. i dont know that it has been challenged on constitutional grounds, but i think if it were, that there would not be enough scientific data to prohibit it.

some old data on genetic risks, and survey of state law:

https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-commentary/should-the-law-be-kinder-to-kissin-cousins.html

the rate of cousin marriage has to be higher in states where the law recognizes cousin marriage than the rate of cousin marriage where it is illegal, as it is zero in the latter. whether or not its common, i have no idea.

when i actually think about marrying one of my first cousins, the idea strikes me as very very strange. but that feeling alone should not be enough to prohibit it. there should be significant increased genetic risk to offspring.

Indeed, in recognition of that issue, some of the states explicitly allow it in the case where sterility of the cousins is involved. However, there may be no rational basis to know whether the genetic risks is really necessarily significantly increased sufficiently to bar people in love from marrying.[/quote]

Hello JAW, thanks for answering on behalf of Brian. I think its adorable how you and Brian have this connection.

Should the 2 of you decide to procreate or marry, even if you are the Whitest Jew in the free world and really really really want to . . . I will support that decision.

Be blessed.

[Coronita]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=Coronita][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

Wow, more ill-informed, data-less generalization after generalization. Someone sure is coming unhinged from being wrong many times.[/quote]

That’s racist.[/quote]

Just to be clear, it wasn’t referring to your comment but the comment you quoted. And it can’t be racist because Karen’s aren’t in a protected class ( end sarcasm )

[PCinSD]

[quote=Coronita][quote=PCinSD][quote=Coronita][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

Wow, more ill-informed, data-less generalization after generalization. Someone sure is coming unhinged from being wrong many times.[/quote]

That’s racist.[/quote]

Just to be clear, it wasn’t referring to your comment but the comment you quoted. And it can’t be racist because Karen’s aren’t in a protected class ( end sarcasm )[/quote]

lol. I know.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

Certain info is common knowledge. It’s no one’s job to provide you data upon request.
If you’re ignorant, it’s on you.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

Certain info is common knowledge. It’s no one’s job to provide you data upon request.
If you’re ignorant, it’s on you.[/quote]

You’ve used that excuse before. Stop bullying me. Reported.

F’n Karen.

[Coronita]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

Certain info is common knowledge. It’s no one’s job to provide you data upon request.
If you’re ignorant, it’s on you.[/quote]

You’ve used that excuse before. Stop bullying me. Reported.

F’n Karen.[/quote]

Wrong platform. This isn’t Nextdoor !

[PCinSD]

^^^^^^Reported.

[svelte]

lol.

On another topic, isn’t “white karen” redundant?

[Coronita]

[quote=PCinSD]^^^^^^Reported.[/quote]

Stop bullying me, otherwise I’m going to call the cops and have them arrest you for assault or not wearing a mask!

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[FlyerInHi]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi]People in Kentucky marry their cousins all the time.[/quote]
Hi White Karen. Tell us more about Kentucky. Details please, with supporting citations.

Your cousin would like it if you kept your hands to yourself.[/quote]

Certain info is common knowledge. It’s no one’s job to provide you data upon request.
If you’re ignorant, it’s on you.[/quote]

You’ve used that excuse before. Stop bullying me. Reported.

F’n Karen.[/quote]

Sorry you’re so fragile, boy. If you don’t believe the veracity of a statement, you can look it up. But you’re in no position to make demands.

[PCinSD]

^^^^^ lol. Thinks typing words makes them fact. All veracity and whatnot.

How exactly am I fragile?

The boy thing was kinda weird.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=PCinSD]^^^^^ lol. Thinks typing words makes them fact. All veracity and whatnot.
[/quote]

The same standard applies to all statements made here. Nobody is obligated to provide citations, especially when the info is in the public domain. If you don’t like it, tough luck.

[Rich Toscano]

[quote=FlyerInHi]This is not about whether you can thrive and prosper as an individual or family. What do you feel about the future of the country?

I’m not feeling optimistic right now. Covid, police abuse, injustice, substance abuse, etc…
So many people are now in dead end situations — no skills, no money, rents keep increasing.[/quote]

This question is dumb. As if such a complex topic as “the future of America” can or should be boiled down to a binary question. It’s just an attempt to start yet another political flame war, and that’s exactly what it became. (The fact that it accidentally led to some actually interesting replies doesn’t make it ok).

I’ve made it abundantly clear to Brian aka flyerinhi that his partisan soapboxing, and his insistence on bringing every conversation back to the same old tiresome political arguments, are not wanted on this forum. He just doesn’t care. It’s very annoying (intentionally so, I suspect) and disrespectful to everyone here. There’s nothing special about this post in particular… it’s a cumulative effect, and I’ve just had enough. Brian is banned.

And the people did rejoice.

Also PCinSD is banned for being a weird troll.

[sdrealtor]

Hallelujah and Thank you. Maybe we can get back to talking about real estate

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