OMG – Someone please control Christine O’donnell

[jstoesz]

[quote]Can poor families choose who educates their children? Or does the current system make private schools cost prohibitive for the poorer classes?[/quote]

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[quote=jficquette][quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]

It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]

Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]

The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.[/quote]

Thank you for providing evidence for my thesis.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette][quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]

It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]

Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]

The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.[/quote]

Thank you for providing evidence for my thesis.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette][quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]

It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]

Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]

The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.[/quote]

Thank you for providing evidence for my thesis.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette][quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]

It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]

Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]

The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.[/quote]

Thank you for providing evidence for my thesis.

[SK in CV]

[quote=jficquette][quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]

It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]

Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]

The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.[/quote]

Thank you for providing evidence for my thesis.

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[quote=jstoesz][quote]Can poor families choose who educates their children? Or does the current system make private schools cost prohibitive for the poorer classes?[/quote][/quote]

Again, I think you’re conflating two separate issues. I don’t know enough about the voucher system to comment on the above, but religion being taught in schools is a separate matter.

Are you taking the position that poor people who want their children educated in scripture are unable to get them said education because of their economic status? Because they can’t afford expensive private parochial schools without a voucher system? Isn’t that what churches and Sunday school are for? Why are the vast majority of churches are in lower-income areas? I think we both know the answer to that.

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[quote=jstoesz][quote]Can poor families choose who educates their children? Or does the current system make private schools cost prohibitive for the poorer classes?[/quote][/quote]

Again, I think you’re conflating two separate issues. I don’t know enough about the voucher system to comment on the above, but religion being taught in schools is a separate matter.

Are you taking the position that poor people who want their children educated in scripture are unable to get them said education because of their economic status? Because they can’t afford expensive private parochial schools without a voucher system? Isn’t that what churches and Sunday school are for? Why are the vast majority of churches are in lower-income areas? I think we both know the answer to that.

[afx114]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]Can poor families choose who educates their children? Or does the current system make private schools cost prohibitive for the poorer classes?[/quote][/quote]

Again, I think you’re conflating two separate issues. I don’t know enough about the voucher system to comment on the above, but religion being taught in schools is a separate matter.

Are you taking the position that poor people who want their children educated in scripture are unable to get them said education because of their economic status? Because they can’t afford expensive private parochial schools without a voucher system? Isn’t that what churches and Sunday school are for? Why are the vast majority of churches are in lower-income areas? I think we both know the answer to that.

[afx114]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]Can poor families choose who educates their children? Or does the current system make private schools cost prohibitive for the poorer classes?[/quote][/quote]

Again, I think you’re conflating two separate issues. I don’t know enough about the voucher system to comment on the above, but religion being taught in schools is a separate matter.

Are you taking the position that poor people who want their children educated in scripture are unable to get them said education because of their economic status? Because they can’t afford expensive private parochial schools without a voucher system? Isn’t that what churches and Sunday school are for? Why are the vast majority of churches are in lower-income areas? I think we both know the answer to that.

[afx114]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]Can poor families choose who educates their children? Or does the current system make private schools cost prohibitive for the poorer classes?[/quote][/quote]

Again, I think you’re conflating two separate issues. I don’t know enough about the voucher system to comment on the above, but religion being taught in schools is a separate matter.

Are you taking the position that poor people who want their children educated in scripture are unable to get them said education because of their economic status? Because they can’t afford expensive private parochial schools without a voucher system? Isn’t that what churches and Sunday school are for? Why are the vast majority of churches are in lower-income areas? I think we both know the answer to that.

[jstoesz]

I am not conflating issues…I am concerned with choice in all aspects from religion to the classics. You are trying only to focus on whether we should teach ID.

I find that specific argument (that you want to have) spurious. Because if we have choice, why would you care about whether ID is taught in some schools? Unless you are interested in controlling other people’s kids that is.

There are many private schools that do not educate in scripture. I do not care what religion is taught in private schools, and I do not care if they choose to go to a religious or secular school. I do care about whether they get a choice in the matter though.

[jstoesz]

I am not conflating issues…I am concerned with choice in all aspects from religion to the classics. You are trying only to focus on whether we should teach ID.

I find that specific argument (that you want to have) spurious. Because if we have choice, why would you care about whether ID is taught in some schools? Unless you are interested in controlling other people’s kids that is.

There are many private schools that do not educate in scripture. I do not care what religion is taught in private schools, and I do not care if they choose to go to a religious or secular school. I do care about whether they get a choice in the matter though.

[jstoesz]

I am not conflating issues…I am concerned with choice in all aspects from religion to the classics. You are trying only to focus on whether we should teach ID.

I find that specific argument (that you want to have) spurious. Because if we have choice, why would you care about whether ID is taught in some schools? Unless you are interested in controlling other people’s kids that is.

There are many private schools that do not educate in scripture. I do not care what religion is taught in private schools, and I do not care if they choose to go to a religious or secular school. I do care about whether they get a choice in the matter though.

[jstoesz]

I am not conflating issues…I am concerned with choice in all aspects from religion to the classics. You are trying only to focus on whether we should teach ID.

I find that specific argument (that you want to have) spurious. Because if we have choice, why would you care about whether ID is taught in some schools? Unless you are interested in controlling other people’s kids that is.

There are many private schools that do not educate in scripture. I do not care what religion is taught in private schools, and I do not care if they choose to go to a religious or secular school. I do care about whether they get a choice in the matter though.

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