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August 8, 2009 at 10:15 AM #443172August 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM #444088
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Participant“With the Republican party leaderless and in backbiting disarray following its destruction by the ideologically incoherent George W. Bush, Democrats are apparently eager to join the hara-kiri brigade. What looked like smooth coasting to the 2010 election has now become a nail-biter. Both major parties have become a rats’ nest of hypocrisy and incompetence. That, combined with our stratospheric, near-criminal indebtedness to China (which could destroy the dollar overnight), should raise signal flags. Are we like late Rome, infatuated with past glories, ruled by a complacent, greedy elite, and hopelessly powerless to respond to changing conditions?”
“What does either party stand for these days? Republican politicians, with their endless scandals, are hardly exemplars of traditional moral values. Nor have they generated new ideas for healthcare, except for medical savings accounts, which would be pathetically inadequate in a major crisis for anyone earning at or below a median income.”
“And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the “mob” — a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech.”
“But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.”
August 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM #444282Participant“With the Republican party leaderless and in backbiting disarray following its destruction by the ideologically incoherent George W. Bush, Democrats are apparently eager to join the hara-kiri brigade. What looked like smooth coasting to the 2010 election has now become a nail-biter. Both major parties have become a rats’ nest of hypocrisy and incompetence. That, combined with our stratospheric, near-criminal indebtedness to China (which could destroy the dollar overnight), should raise signal flags. Are we like late Rome, infatuated with past glories, ruled by a complacent, greedy elite, and hopelessly powerless to respond to changing conditions?”
“What does either party stand for these days? Republican politicians, with their endless scandals, are hardly exemplars of traditional moral values. Nor have they generated new ideas for healthcare, except for medical savings accounts, which would be pathetically inadequate in a major crisis for anyone earning at or below a median income.”
“And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the “mob” — a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech.”
“But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.”
August 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM #444620Participant“With the Republican party leaderless and in backbiting disarray following its destruction by the ideologically incoherent George W. Bush, Democrats are apparently eager to join the hara-kiri brigade. What looked like smooth coasting to the 2010 election has now become a nail-biter. Both major parties have become a rats’ nest of hypocrisy and incompetence. That, combined with our stratospheric, near-criminal indebtedness to China (which could destroy the dollar overnight), should raise signal flags. Are we like late Rome, infatuated with past glories, ruled by a complacent, greedy elite, and hopelessly powerless to respond to changing conditions?”
“What does either party stand for these days? Republican politicians, with their endless scandals, are hardly exemplars of traditional moral values. Nor have they generated new ideas for healthcare, except for medical savings accounts, which would be pathetically inadequate in a major crisis for anyone earning at or below a median income.”
“And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the “mob” — a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech.”
“But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.”
August 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM #444688Participant“With the Republican party leaderless and in backbiting disarray following its destruction by the ideologically incoherent George W. Bush, Democrats are apparently eager to join the hara-kiri brigade. What looked like smooth coasting to the 2010 election has now become a nail-biter. Both major parties have become a rats’ nest of hypocrisy and incompetence. That, combined with our stratospheric, near-criminal indebtedness to China (which could destroy the dollar overnight), should raise signal flags. Are we like late Rome, infatuated with past glories, ruled by a complacent, greedy elite, and hopelessly powerless to respond to changing conditions?”
“What does either party stand for these days? Republican politicians, with their endless scandals, are hardly exemplars of traditional moral values. Nor have they generated new ideas for healthcare, except for medical savings accounts, which would be pathetically inadequate in a major crisis for anyone earning at or below a median income.”
“And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the “mob” — a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech.”
“But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.”
August 12, 2009 at 5:11 PM #444867Participant“With the Republican party leaderless and in backbiting disarray following its destruction by the ideologically incoherent George W. Bush, Democrats are apparently eager to join the hara-kiri brigade. What looked like smooth coasting to the 2010 election has now become a nail-biter. Both major parties have become a rats’ nest of hypocrisy and incompetence. That, combined with our stratospheric, near-criminal indebtedness to China (which could destroy the dollar overnight), should raise signal flags. Are we like late Rome, infatuated with past glories, ruled by a complacent, greedy elite, and hopelessly powerless to respond to changing conditions?”
“What does either party stand for these days? Republican politicians, with their endless scandals, are hardly exemplars of traditional moral values. Nor have they generated new ideas for healthcare, except for medical savings accounts, which would be pathetically inadequate in a major crisis for anyone earning at or below a median income.”
“And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the “mob” — a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech.”
“But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration’s outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable “casual conversations” to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast. I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced. His failure to do so implicates him in it.”
August 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM #444123Allan from Fallbrook
Participant[quote=sobmaz]Why do Republicans think we as a country are too stupid to insure all of our citizens and for less money? Why do Republicans let France shame us when they can insure all of their citizens for 9% of GDP while we only insure 80% of our citizens while paying 17% of GDP?
France rates #1 in overall health care while the Greatest Country on Earth rates #37.
Ofcourse due to the opposition Obama never persued the single payer option that could have saved this country hundreds of billions, instead he went after this more expensive system and even though it pretty much keeps the status quo Republicans have gone rabid.
If you have plenty of money the U.S. health care is #1 by far. Rush Limpbrain and Shaun Insanity both get #1 health care. They are deathly afraid their tax rate may go up so that a 25 year old single mother with cancer can get the proper care. Rush and Shaun are actually upset that insurance companies will no longer be able to deny or charge higher premiums for someone with a pre existing condition (and they are quite often at an economic disadvantage because of their illness). They equate it with good drivers and bad drivers and if everyone pays the same rate the good drivers will become sloppy drivers. (stupid huh?) How can anyone in their right mind equate car insurance with health insurance? Well, Rush and Shame are not in their right mind of course.
The best example of Republican thinking is this caller on a talk show. He said he was a “Minister” and a Republican. He said, “if people want health care they should go to school, get an education so they can’t get the kind of job that provides health care”.
For my fellow thinkers out there you will see the stupidity in that statement right away (education is always good) however the Ditto heads are saying “RIGHT ON”.[/quote]
Sob: And? What does how Republicans think matter one iota? Answer? It doesn’t.
The Dems control the Presidency and Congress. They don’t need a single GOP vote to pass Obamacare. So, why harp on Limbaugh and Hannity and what they think?
Same goes for the Pelosi squalling about the Town Hall meetings. So what if American citizens show up and are angry with their elected representatives. It’s THEIR RIGHT. And, so what if they’re rude? First Amendment still allows us to be rude, right?
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
Sob, you’re carping about things that don’t matter. Neither the citizenry nor the Republicans are in a position to affect the outcome of Obamacare, so why focus there? Shouldn’t you be questioning why the Dems with a clear cut majority can’t seem to pass this bill? Perhaps Obama’s mandate isn’t quite as strong as we’ve been led to believe?
August 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM #444317Participant[quote=sobmaz]Why do Republicans think we as a country are too stupid to insure all of our citizens and for less money? Why do Republicans let France shame us when they can insure all of their citizens for 9% of GDP while we only insure 80% of our citizens while paying 17% of GDP?
France rates #1 in overall health care while the Greatest Country on Earth rates #37.
Ofcourse due to the opposition Obama never persued the single payer option that could have saved this country hundreds of billions, instead he went after this more expensive system and even though it pretty much keeps the status quo Republicans have gone rabid.
If you have plenty of money the U.S. health care is #1 by far. Rush Limpbrain and Shaun Insanity both get #1 health care. They are deathly afraid their tax rate may go up so that a 25 year old single mother with cancer can get the proper care. Rush and Shaun are actually upset that insurance companies will no longer be able to deny or charge higher premiums for someone with a pre existing condition (and they are quite often at an economic disadvantage because of their illness). They equate it with good drivers and bad drivers and if everyone pays the same rate the good drivers will become sloppy drivers. (stupid huh?) How can anyone in their right mind equate car insurance with health insurance? Well, Rush and Shame are not in their right mind of course.
The best example of Republican thinking is this caller on a talk show. He said he was a “Minister” and a Republican. He said, “if people want health care they should go to school, get an education so they can’t get the kind of job that provides health care”.
For my fellow thinkers out there you will see the stupidity in that statement right away (education is always good) however the Ditto heads are saying “RIGHT ON”.[/quote]
Sob: And? What does how Republicans think matter one iota? Answer? It doesn’t.
The Dems control the Presidency and Congress. They don’t need a single GOP vote to pass Obamacare. So, why harp on Limbaugh and Hannity and what they think?
Same goes for the Pelosi squalling about the Town Hall meetings. So what if American citizens show up and are angry with their elected representatives. It’s THEIR RIGHT. And, so what if they’re rude? First Amendment still allows us to be rude, right?
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
Sob, you’re carping about things that don’t matter. Neither the citizenry nor the Republicans are in a position to affect the outcome of Obamacare, so why focus there? Shouldn’t you be questioning why the Dems with a clear cut majority can’t seem to pass this bill? Perhaps Obama’s mandate isn’t quite as strong as we’ve been led to believe?
August 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM #444655Participant[quote=sobmaz]Why do Republicans think we as a country are too stupid to insure all of our citizens and for less money? Why do Republicans let France shame us when they can insure all of their citizens for 9% of GDP while we only insure 80% of our citizens while paying 17% of GDP?
France rates #1 in overall health care while the Greatest Country on Earth rates #37.
Ofcourse due to the opposition Obama never persued the single payer option that could have saved this country hundreds of billions, instead he went after this more expensive system and even though it pretty much keeps the status quo Republicans have gone rabid.
If you have plenty of money the U.S. health care is #1 by far. Rush Limpbrain and Shaun Insanity both get #1 health care. They are deathly afraid their tax rate may go up so that a 25 year old single mother with cancer can get the proper care. Rush and Shaun are actually upset that insurance companies will no longer be able to deny or charge higher premiums for someone with a pre existing condition (and they are quite often at an economic disadvantage because of their illness). They equate it with good drivers and bad drivers and if everyone pays the same rate the good drivers will become sloppy drivers. (stupid huh?) How can anyone in their right mind equate car insurance with health insurance? Well, Rush and Shame are not in their right mind of course.
The best example of Republican thinking is this caller on a talk show. He said he was a “Minister” and a Republican. He said, “if people want health care they should go to school, get an education so they can’t get the kind of job that provides health care”.
For my fellow thinkers out there you will see the stupidity in that statement right away (education is always good) however the Ditto heads are saying “RIGHT ON”.[/quote]
Sob: And? What does how Republicans think matter one iota? Answer? It doesn’t.
The Dems control the Presidency and Congress. They don’t need a single GOP vote to pass Obamacare. So, why harp on Limbaugh and Hannity and what they think?
Same goes for the Pelosi squalling about the Town Hall meetings. So what if American citizens show up and are angry with their elected representatives. It’s THEIR RIGHT. And, so what if they’re rude? First Amendment still allows us to be rude, right?
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
Sob, you’re carping about things that don’t matter. Neither the citizenry nor the Republicans are in a position to affect the outcome of Obamacare, so why focus there? Shouldn’t you be questioning why the Dems with a clear cut majority can’t seem to pass this bill? Perhaps Obama’s mandate isn’t quite as strong as we’ve been led to believe?
August 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM #444723Participant[quote=sobmaz]Why do Republicans think we as a country are too stupid to insure all of our citizens and for less money? Why do Republicans let France shame us when they can insure all of their citizens for 9% of GDP while we only insure 80% of our citizens while paying 17% of GDP?
France rates #1 in overall health care while the Greatest Country on Earth rates #37.
Ofcourse due to the opposition Obama never persued the single payer option that could have saved this country hundreds of billions, instead he went after this more expensive system and even though it pretty much keeps the status quo Republicans have gone rabid.
If you have plenty of money the U.S. health care is #1 by far. Rush Limpbrain and Shaun Insanity both get #1 health care. They are deathly afraid their tax rate may go up so that a 25 year old single mother with cancer can get the proper care. Rush and Shaun are actually upset that insurance companies will no longer be able to deny or charge higher premiums for someone with a pre existing condition (and they are quite often at an economic disadvantage because of their illness). They equate it with good drivers and bad drivers and if everyone pays the same rate the good drivers will become sloppy drivers. (stupid huh?) How can anyone in their right mind equate car insurance with health insurance? Well, Rush and Shame are not in their right mind of course.
The best example of Republican thinking is this caller on a talk show. He said he was a “Minister” and a Republican. He said, “if people want health care they should go to school, get an education so they can’t get the kind of job that provides health care”.
For my fellow thinkers out there you will see the stupidity in that statement right away (education is always good) however the Ditto heads are saying “RIGHT ON”.[/quote]
Sob: And? What does how Republicans think matter one iota? Answer? It doesn’t.
The Dems control the Presidency and Congress. They don’t need a single GOP vote to pass Obamacare. So, why harp on Limbaugh and Hannity and what they think?
Same goes for the Pelosi squalling about the Town Hall meetings. So what if American citizens show up and are angry with their elected representatives. It’s THEIR RIGHT. And, so what if they’re rude? First Amendment still allows us to be rude, right?
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
Sob, you’re carping about things that don’t matter. Neither the citizenry nor the Republicans are in a position to affect the outcome of Obamacare, so why focus there? Shouldn’t you be questioning why the Dems with a clear cut majority can’t seem to pass this bill? Perhaps Obama’s mandate isn’t quite as strong as we’ve been led to believe?
August 12, 2009 at 7:04 PM #444902Participant[quote=sobmaz]Why do Republicans think we as a country are too stupid to insure all of our citizens and for less money? Why do Republicans let France shame us when they can insure all of their citizens for 9% of GDP while we only insure 80% of our citizens while paying 17% of GDP?
France rates #1 in overall health care while the Greatest Country on Earth rates #37.
Ofcourse due to the opposition Obama never persued the single payer option that could have saved this country hundreds of billions, instead he went after this more expensive system and even though it pretty much keeps the status quo Republicans have gone rabid.
If you have plenty of money the U.S. health care is #1 by far. Rush Limpbrain and Shaun Insanity both get #1 health care. They are deathly afraid their tax rate may go up so that a 25 year old single mother with cancer can get the proper care. Rush and Shaun are actually upset that insurance companies will no longer be able to deny or charge higher premiums for someone with a pre existing condition (and they are quite often at an economic disadvantage because of their illness). They equate it with good drivers and bad drivers and if everyone pays the same rate the good drivers will become sloppy drivers. (stupid huh?) How can anyone in their right mind equate car insurance with health insurance? Well, Rush and Shame are not in their right mind of course.
The best example of Republican thinking is this caller on a talk show. He said he was a “Minister” and a Republican. He said, “if people want health care they should go to school, get an education so they can’t get the kind of job that provides health care”.
For my fellow thinkers out there you will see the stupidity in that statement right away (education is always good) however the Ditto heads are saying “RIGHT ON”.[/quote]
Sob: And? What does how Republicans think matter one iota? Answer? It doesn’t.
The Dems control the Presidency and Congress. They don’t need a single GOP vote to pass Obamacare. So, why harp on Limbaugh and Hannity and what they think?
Same goes for the Pelosi squalling about the Town Hall meetings. So what if American citizens show up and are angry with their elected representatives. It’s THEIR RIGHT. And, so what if they’re rude? First Amendment still allows us to be rude, right?
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
Sob, you’re carping about things that don’t matter. Neither the citizenry nor the Republicans are in a position to affect the outcome of Obamacare, so why focus there? Shouldn’t you be questioning why the Dems with a clear cut majority can’t seem to pass this bill? Perhaps Obama’s mandate isn’t quite as strong as we’ve been led to believe?
August 12, 2009 at 7:37 PM #444148SK in CV
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
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Uh, no siree. Pharma had (past tense) a non-binding deal to not oppose reform. Insurance is fighting it tooth and nail, having spent millions in just the last few months. Who do you think invented the plan to disrupt the town hall meetings? The insurance companies have attempted (and may have succeeded) in buying the blue dog dems. They have billions in profits at stake. Their 467% increase in profits over the last 9 years are the reason we’re even discussing it again.
August 12, 2009 at 7:37 PM #444342Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
[/quote]
Uh, no siree. Pharma had (past tense) a non-binding deal to not oppose reform. Insurance is fighting it tooth and nail, having spent millions in just the last few months. Who do you think invented the plan to disrupt the town hall meetings? The insurance companies have attempted (and may have succeeded) in buying the blue dog dems. They have billions in profits at stake. Their 467% increase in profits over the last 9 years are the reason we’re even discussing it again.
August 12, 2009 at 7:37 PM #444680Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
[/quote]
Uh, no siree. Pharma had (past tense) a non-binding deal to not oppose reform. Insurance is fighting it tooth and nail, having spent millions in just the last few months. Who do you think invented the plan to disrupt the town hall meetings? The insurance companies have attempted (and may have succeeded) in buying the blue dog dems. They have billions in profits at stake. Their 467% increase in profits over the last 9 years are the reason we’re even discussing it again.
August 12, 2009 at 7:37 PM #444748Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook
All of this nonsense obscures the fact that the Dems have made a hash of healthcare reform (again) and, ironically, this time Big Pharma and Big Insurance were SUPPORTING the President, unlike Hillarycare back in the Clinton Administration.
[/quote]
Uh, no siree. Pharma had (past tense) a non-binding deal to not oppose reform. Insurance is fighting it tooth and nail, having spent millions in just the last few months. Who do you think invented the plan to disrupt the town hall meetings? The insurance companies have attempted (and may have succeeded) in buying the blue dog dems. They have billions in profits at stake. Their 467% increase in profits over the last 9 years are the reason we’re even discussing it again.
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