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[quote=dbapig]
How about comparing what US has (or rather doesn’t have) to western european and canada? I just brought up South Korea into ‘shaming’ us into action…
Remember, South Korea was the nation that brought us the junk Hyundai cars, although the perception seems to be changing.[/quote]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.

[blahblahblah]

Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

By this logic we shouldn’t have police or fire departments. The police can’t stop every crime so why even bother? The fire department can’t save every endangered life so why should I have to pay taxes to support it?

Also, TB and other communicable diseases don’t care if you’re afraid of them or not.

I don’t support this health “plan” coming out of Washington either. It will do nothing to improve the nation’s health and will simply further enrich insurance companies while delivering another body blow to the middle class.

The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.

[blahblahblah]

Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

By this logic we shouldn’t have police or fire departments. The police can’t stop every crime so why even bother? The fire department can’t save every endangered life so why should I have to pay taxes to support it?

Also, TB and other communicable diseases don’t care if you’re afraid of them or not.

I don’t support this health “plan” coming out of Washington either. It will do nothing to improve the nation’s health and will simply further enrich insurance companies while delivering another body blow to the middle class.

The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.

[blahblahblah]

Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

By this logic we shouldn’t have police or fire departments. The police can’t stop every crime so why even bother? The fire department can’t save every endangered life so why should I have to pay taxes to support it?

Also, TB and other communicable diseases don’t care if you’re afraid of them or not.

I don’t support this health “plan” coming out of Washington either. It will do nothing to improve the nation’s health and will simply further enrich insurance companies while delivering another body blow to the middle class.

The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.

[blahblahblah]

Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

By this logic we shouldn’t have police or fire departments. The police can’t stop every crime so why even bother? The fire department can’t save every endangered life so why should I have to pay taxes to support it?

Also, TB and other communicable diseases don’t care if you’re afraid of them or not.

I don’t support this health “plan” coming out of Washington either. It will do nothing to improve the nation’s health and will simply further enrich insurance companies while delivering another body blow to the middle class.

The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.

[blahblahblah]

Concho and DBA the premise that you guys bring to the table is simply not realistic. It is not. Is every person who has aids going to get treated? Is every person who has drug resistant tb going to get treated as well? So in this perfect world of health maintenance provided by our government everyone will be in perfect health?

I guess I am in the minority by not being afraid to go out in public for fear of catching TB from a guy at a stoplight. I better wait until universal health care comes to go outside… whew, thanks for telling me.

By this logic we shouldn’t have police or fire departments. The police can’t stop every crime so why even bother? The fire department can’t save every endangered life so why should I have to pay taxes to support it?

Also, TB and other communicable diseases don’t care if you’re afraid of them or not.

I don’t support this health “plan” coming out of Washington either. It will do nothing to improve the nation’s health and will simply further enrich insurance companies while delivering another body blow to the middle class.

The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.

[dbapig]

[quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.

[dbapig]

[quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.

[dbapig]

[quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.

[dbapig]

[quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.

[dbapig]

[quote=CONCHO]
The system I would like the most for the US would be the Swiss system of highly regulated private medical insurance, but we can never have it here because corporations run the government.[/quote]

How true. I think we ALL can agree on this.

[dbapig]

[quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]

Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?

I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?

Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.

[dbapig]

[quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]

Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?

I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?

Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.

[dbapig]

[quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]

Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?

I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?

Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.

[dbapig]

[quote=AN]
Yes, lets please compare. First and foremost, how many illegal immigrants are in any of those western European countries and Canada? That’s enough to mess up the statistics. Secondly, what’s the obesity rate in those countries? Thirdly, what’s the survival rate when you get diagnosed with things like cancer/heart disease? Then compare to the answers of those question to what we have in the US. Once again, what we have is not perfect, but it’s not complete crap either.[/quote]

Ok so you believe we do not need to do anything? status quo?

I read somewhere about health care in Canada or Europe that mentioned an overweight patient. A patient was considered over weight by his Primary care doctor so she was put on a 2 Year long coaching program to bring her weight down. I assume it was something like come in regularly for weight check up and tell us what you eat and how much you exercise etc. I guess that’s taking away liberty from the woman?

Many many not being able to afford health care, getting kicked out from insurance when you really need it, I’d say that’s pretty crap.

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