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July 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM #435598July 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM #435006
Rt.66
Participant[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]
This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.
How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?
We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?
Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.
There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.
July 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM #435213Participant[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]
This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.
How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?
We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?
Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.
There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.
July 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM #435530Participant[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]
This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.
How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?
We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?
Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.
There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.
July 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM #435604Participant[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]
This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.
How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?
We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?
Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.
There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.
July 22, 2009 at 9:45 AM #435773Participant[quote=AN]DWCAP, do you have or know anyone who have first hand experience with Canadian health care? I do. It’s a family friend’s son. Here’s his story: their son (little kid) was constantly having leg pain for awhile… bad enough that it would wake him up at night screaming. They went to the emergency 3-4 times when the pain occur. They didn’t do any major test and told them to stop coming back until something major happen. The family demanded a blood test after waiting for a long while and their son still have the pain. After running the tests and blood work, they found out he have cancer and it has spread to his body. He’s now living on feeding tube. Hearing stories like this makes even Kaiser look good. These are middle class family too.[/quote]
This happens ALL THE TIME in the US as well. I’ve known 3 people die from cancer and all had US managed healthcare that failed to catch it in time.
How many times have you gone into see your Doc and complained of something that could be a cancer clue and they failed to do cancer screening?
We have a national healthcare system. If you can’t pay, then I pay (through higher premuims). My premiums have quadrupled in the past 12 years while deductables continue to rise. I know I pay for many who don’t or can’t pay. What kind of system is that? How long can it last?
Ten years ago I thought our system worked and I agreed with those who used the argument that our care was the best. Now the costs for the few who bare it has just gotten out of control. Our system is broken.
There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.
July 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM #435031an
Participant[quote=Rt.66]There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.[/quote]
NHC is not the only solution out there for our rising cost of health care. Here’s a MD’s proposal solution to the problem: linky.Although all other 1st world country have NHC, how many of those other country have lower taxes than we do? How many of them have the defense power like we do? How many of them have one of the most robust economy like we do? I can go on. We’re not perfect, but we do a lot of things right. Yet, we were as far from socialism as anyone of the 1st world countries.
BTW, we didn’t have NHC 10 years ago, yet, we weren’t complaining then. How come?
July 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM #435238Participant[quote=Rt.66]There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.[/quote]
NHC is not the only solution out there for our rising cost of health care. Here’s a MD’s proposal solution to the problem: linky.Although all other 1st world country have NHC, how many of those other country have lower taxes than we do? How many of them have the defense power like we do? How many of them have one of the most robust economy like we do? I can go on. We’re not perfect, but we do a lot of things right. Yet, we were as far from socialism as anyone of the 1st world countries.
BTW, we didn’t have NHC 10 years ago, yet, we weren’t complaining then. How come?
July 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM #435555Participant[quote=Rt.66]There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.[/quote]
NHC is not the only solution out there for our rising cost of health care. Here’s a MD’s proposal solution to the problem: linky.Although all other 1st world country have NHC, how many of those other country have lower taxes than we do? How many of them have the defense power like we do? How many of them have one of the most robust economy like we do? I can go on. We’re not perfect, but we do a lot of things right. Yet, we were as far from socialism as anyone of the 1st world countries.
BTW, we didn’t have NHC 10 years ago, yet, we weren’t complaining then. How come?
July 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM #435629Participant[quote=Rt.66]There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.[/quote]
NHC is not the only solution out there for our rising cost of health care. Here’s a MD’s proposal solution to the problem: linky.Although all other 1st world country have NHC, how many of those other country have lower taxes than we do? How many of them have the defense power like we do? How many of them have one of the most robust economy like we do? I can go on. We’re not perfect, but we do a lot of things right. Yet, we were as far from socialism as anyone of the 1st world countries.
BTW, we didn’t have NHC 10 years ago, yet, we weren’t complaining then. How come?
July 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM #435798Participant[quote=Rt.66]There are countries with NHC that are considered succesful models, maybe Canada is not the only model we should look at.
Manufacturing seems like a good way to get jobs back and turn the deficits around. We need NHC in order to compete because EVERYOTHER 1st world country has NHC.[/quote]
NHC is not the only solution out there for our rising cost of health care. Here’s a MD’s proposal solution to the problem: linky.Although all other 1st world country have NHC, how many of those other country have lower taxes than we do? How many of them have the defense power like we do? How many of them have one of the most robust economy like we do? I can go on. We’re not perfect, but we do a lot of things right. Yet, we were as far from socialism as anyone of the 1st world countries.
BTW, we didn’t have NHC 10 years ago, yet, we weren’t complaining then. How come?
July 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM #435046ParticipantAN
I explained “how come” far fewer complained ten years ago. Prices were still somewhat affordable then.
I’ve said what my situation is (quadrupling of premiums) what’s yours?
In England most of their NHC is paid by gasoline (petrol) taxes. I figured out my situation and at $4 per gallon tax on gas I would come out smelling like a rose compared to what I pay in premiums, and I drive a lot.
“one of the most robust economy like we do” LOL
July 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM #435253ParticipantAN
I explained “how come” far fewer complained ten years ago. Prices were still somewhat affordable then.
I’ve said what my situation is (quadrupling of premiums) what’s yours?
In England most of their NHC is paid by gasoline (petrol) taxes. I figured out my situation and at $4 per gallon tax on gas I would come out smelling like a rose compared to what I pay in premiums, and I drive a lot.
“one of the most robust economy like we do” LOL
July 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM #435570ParticipantAN
I explained “how come” far fewer complained ten years ago. Prices were still somewhat affordable then.
I’ve said what my situation is (quadrupling of premiums) what’s yours?
In England most of their NHC is paid by gasoline (petrol) taxes. I figured out my situation and at $4 per gallon tax on gas I would come out smelling like a rose compared to what I pay in premiums, and I drive a lot.
“one of the most robust economy like we do” LOL
July 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM #435644ParticipantAN
I explained “how come” far fewer complained ten years ago. Prices were still somewhat affordable then.
I’ve said what my situation is (quadrupling of premiums) what’s yours?
In England most of their NHC is paid by gasoline (petrol) taxes. I figured out my situation and at $4 per gallon tax on gas I would come out smelling like a rose compared to what I pay in premiums, and I drive a lot.
“one of the most robust economy like we do” LOL
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