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September 15, 2009 at 8:51 AM #457550September 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM #456847
KSMountain
ParticipantI’m gonna backup CA Renter a little bit. Not only are airplanes complex, but after all they *contain* human beings inside them (the pilots) with all *their* complexity. Further, there is the complexity of interactions of the pilots with other humans, such as other pilots and air traffic controllers. Further there is the small matter of weather…
One thing that the FAA/NTSB seems to do a little differently, is that when there is an accident, they try to determine root cause and ensure that that kind of accident can’t happen again. Not always possible to do that (e.g. pilot stupidity), but they try.
So remember the case of Dennis Quaid’s kids that were given a huge OD?
According to the article, the *parents* are now going to go on a campaign to prevent this from happening again. The parents? How lame that they should have to do that.
This accidednt should have *already* been made almost impossible to occur due to previous accidents of that type. And I think that is part of CA Renter’s point.
Now is tort reform the best way to “encourage learning”? Not sure.
September 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM #457041ParticipantI’m gonna backup CA Renter a little bit. Not only are airplanes complex, but after all they *contain* human beings inside them (the pilots) with all *their* complexity. Further, there is the complexity of interactions of the pilots with other humans, such as other pilots and air traffic controllers. Further there is the small matter of weather…
One thing that the FAA/NTSB seems to do a little differently, is that when there is an accident, they try to determine root cause and ensure that that kind of accident can’t happen again. Not always possible to do that (e.g. pilot stupidity), but they try.
So remember the case of Dennis Quaid’s kids that were given a huge OD?
According to the article, the *parents* are now going to go on a campaign to prevent this from happening again. The parents? How lame that they should have to do that.
This accidednt should have *already* been made almost impossible to occur due to previous accidents of that type. And I think that is part of CA Renter’s point.
Now is tort reform the best way to “encourage learning”? Not sure.
September 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM #457383ParticipantI’m gonna backup CA Renter a little bit. Not only are airplanes complex, but after all they *contain* human beings inside them (the pilots) with all *their* complexity. Further, there is the complexity of interactions of the pilots with other humans, such as other pilots and air traffic controllers. Further there is the small matter of weather…
One thing that the FAA/NTSB seems to do a little differently, is that when there is an accident, they try to determine root cause and ensure that that kind of accident can’t happen again. Not always possible to do that (e.g. pilot stupidity), but they try.
So remember the case of Dennis Quaid’s kids that were given a huge OD?
According to the article, the *parents* are now going to go on a campaign to prevent this from happening again. The parents? How lame that they should have to do that.
This accidednt should have *already* been made almost impossible to occur due to previous accidents of that type. And I think that is part of CA Renter’s point.
Now is tort reform the best way to “encourage learning”? Not sure.
September 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM #457455ParticipantI’m gonna backup CA Renter a little bit. Not only are airplanes complex, but after all they *contain* human beings inside them (the pilots) with all *their* complexity. Further, there is the complexity of interactions of the pilots with other humans, such as other pilots and air traffic controllers. Further there is the small matter of weather…
One thing that the FAA/NTSB seems to do a little differently, is that when there is an accident, they try to determine root cause and ensure that that kind of accident can’t happen again. Not always possible to do that (e.g. pilot stupidity), but they try.
So remember the case of Dennis Quaid’s kids that were given a huge OD?
According to the article, the *parents* are now going to go on a campaign to prevent this from happening again. The parents? How lame that they should have to do that.
This accidednt should have *already* been made almost impossible to occur due to previous accidents of that type. And I think that is part of CA Renter’s point.
Now is tort reform the best way to “encourage learning”? Not sure.
September 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM #457648ParticipantI’m gonna backup CA Renter a little bit. Not only are airplanes complex, but after all they *contain* human beings inside them (the pilots) with all *their* complexity. Further, there is the complexity of interactions of the pilots with other humans, such as other pilots and air traffic controllers. Further there is the small matter of weather…
One thing that the FAA/NTSB seems to do a little differently, is that when there is an accident, they try to determine root cause and ensure that that kind of accident can’t happen again. Not always possible to do that (e.g. pilot stupidity), but they try.
So remember the case of Dennis Quaid’s kids that were given a huge OD?
According to the article, the *parents* are now going to go on a campaign to prevent this from happening again. The parents? How lame that they should have to do that.
This accidednt should have *already* been made almost impossible to occur due to previous accidents of that type. And I think that is part of CA Renter’s point.
Now is tort reform the best way to “encourage learning”? Not sure.
September 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM #456852ParticipantCorrection:
Where I said “tort reform” above I meant to say “the tort system”.
September 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM #457046ParticipantCorrection:
Where I said “tort reform” above I meant to say “the tort system”.
September 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM #457388ParticipantCorrection:
Where I said “tort reform” above I meant to say “the tort system”.
September 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM #457460ParticipantCorrection:
Where I said “tort reform” above I meant to say “the tort system”.
September 15, 2009 at 11:37 AM #457653ParticipantCorrection:
Where I said “tort reform” above I meant to say “the tort system”.
September 18, 2009 at 12:09 AM #458359Veritas
Participant“When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.”
Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
By JONATHAN WEISMAN“WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn’t known about.”
“‘They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it,’ the president said in the nationally televised address.”
“In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn’t die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Mr. Raddatz’s policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Mr. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.”
“Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Mr. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.”
OJT?
September 18, 2009 at 12:09 AM #458549Participant“When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.”
Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
By JONATHAN WEISMAN“WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn’t known about.”
“‘They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it,’ the president said in the nationally televised address.”
“In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn’t die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Mr. Raddatz’s policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Mr. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.”
“Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Mr. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.”
OJT?
September 18, 2009 at 12:09 AM #458882Participant“When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.”
Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
By JONATHAN WEISMAN“WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn’t known about.”
“‘They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it,’ the president said in the nationally televised address.”
“In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn’t die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Mr. Raddatz’s policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Mr. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.”
“Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Mr. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.”
OJT?
September 18, 2009 at 12:09 AM #458952Participant“When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.”
Obama Used Faulty Anecdote in Speech to Congress
By JONATHAN WEISMAN“WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn’t known about.”
“‘They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it,’ the president said in the nationally televised address.”
“In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn’t die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Mr. Raddatz’s policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Mr. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.”
“Obama aides say the president got the essence of the story correct. Mr. Raddatz was dropped from his insurance plan weeks before a scheduled stem-cell transplant.”
OJT?
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