ObamaCare…coming soon

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Medicare insures the un-insurable, so of course it is going to cost a lot and lose money. The idea is that if you expand that and have everyone throwing into the pool, the people who don’t always need the service are subsidizing the people who are actually using it. This is the very definition of insurance, is it not?

Have you ever shopped at Costco? When you buy in bulk, costs go down. If you have 300 million people throwing into the insurance pool rather than 40 million, costs will go down for everybody.

And how is a public option going to stifle innovation? This isn’t a bill about funding research — it is a bill about paying for medical care. The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard? Most of the breakthroughs in cancer, stem cells, HIV, Alzheimer, etc, are happening in universities, not corporations. This bill has nothing to do with funding for universities or even corporations doing research. Yet another straw man scare tactic.

Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.

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[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
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I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!

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[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
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I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!

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[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
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I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!

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[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
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I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!

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[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
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I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!

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Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

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Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

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Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

[afx114]

Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

[afx114]

Also, if France, Canada, England, Japan, etc ration healthcare so bad, how do you explain the fact that they have by far a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the US? The higher life-expectancy is even better for those over age 60 in those countries. Must be all that rationing I guess?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.[/quote]

Afx: Here, I think you have a very valid point, but one that also works the other way, too. The corporations that are part of that military-industrial complex are for-profit corporations (think Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, L3, etc) and the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.

While I agree that the US healthcare system needs work and needs change, I don’t agree that the solutions being offered under Obamacare are necessarily the right ones. I also believe that the ham-handed way this is being handled (Obama foisting responsibility for the bill onto Congress, which results in multiple versions of significant size and complexity) has resulted in a lot of blowback and Obama needs to get out there and “sell” this thing. In so doing, he needs to harness that considerable intelligence and oratorical skill and really explain what his plan is and how it will work.

Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.[/quote]

Afx: Here, I think you have a very valid point, but one that also works the other way, too. The corporations that are part of that military-industrial complex are for-profit corporations (think Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, L3, etc) and the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.

While I agree that the US healthcare system needs work and needs change, I don’t agree that the solutions being offered under Obamacare are necessarily the right ones. I also believe that the ham-handed way this is being handled (Obama foisting responsibility for the bill onto Congress, which results in multiple versions of significant size and complexity) has resulted in a lot of blowback and Obama needs to get out there and “sell” this thing. In so doing, he needs to harness that considerable intelligence and oratorical skill and really explain what his plan is and how it will work.

Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.[/quote]

Afx: Here, I think you have a very valid point, but one that also works the other way, too. The corporations that are part of that military-industrial complex are for-profit corporations (think Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, L3, etc) and the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.

While I agree that the US healthcare system needs work and needs change, I don’t agree that the solutions being offered under Obamacare are necessarily the right ones. I also believe that the ham-handed way this is being handled (Obama foisting responsibility for the bill onto Congress, which results in multiple versions of significant size and complexity) has resulted in a lot of blowback and Obama needs to get out there and “sell” this thing. In so doing, he needs to harness that considerable intelligence and oratorical skill and really explain what his plan is and how it will work.

Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114]Furthermore, does our socialist military force stifle innovation in the military-industrial complex? If anything it’s made that industry even stronger.[/quote]

Afx: Here, I think you have a very valid point, but one that also works the other way, too. The corporations that are part of that military-industrial complex are for-profit corporations (think Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, L3, etc) and the innovations you speak of are part of a very competitive system, designed to push innovation and creativity, but to do so for a profit.

While I agree that the US healthcare system needs work and needs change, I don’t agree that the solutions being offered under Obamacare are necessarily the right ones. I also believe that the ham-handed way this is being handled (Obama foisting responsibility for the bill onto Congress, which results in multiple versions of significant size and complexity) has resulted in a lot of blowback and Obama needs to get out there and “sell” this thing. In so doing, he needs to harness that considerable intelligence and oratorical skill and really explain what his plan is and how it will work.

Lastly, I would ask, relative to those life expectancy numbers from Europe: How big is the difference for American life expectancy versus European? If I remember correctly, we’re talking fairly minute differences, aren’t we?

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