Obama is the great hype machine

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Submitted by Rustico on January 7, 2008 – 7:52pm.

Drunkle, you are awesome.

Of course that is what he is saying. It is going to be a pity but if race comes into the equation,and it will. there will be more people not electing him or even sabotaging him because of African roots, than voting for him because of it.

Melanin-phobics like gold dredger can’t entertain the idea for a minute that Obama is a viable candidate or at least attempt to respect that many people think so or think he is the “best of the worst”. It is really sad that this racist theme is going to play out over and over again.

Rustico, well said. Very well said.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 7, 2008 – 9:30pm.

Racism absolutely exists, and it always has. It always will. Sad, but a fact of human nature. We’re tribal by nature, and regardless of color, always will be.

I’m trying to observe and stay out of the way, but a quick comment. Allan, I don’t believe racism stems from human nature. Human beings aren’t born racist, but rather “taught” it. Racism isn’t tribal, it’s about certain people believing they are better than others and those people are the lowest life forms on the planet.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Except gold’s post(s) were not solely consumed with the issue of race. I have been arguing just that point the entire time. I don’t find the term “nigger lover” a cop-out comment. I believe you misread the point gold was making regarding the extreme left’s purblindness regarding color and “blackness” (meaning, not the color, but the culture, i.e. Kwanzaa).

I don’t shrug off racism, and never have. Having been both an athlete and a soldier, I believe in meritocracy, not advancement through color, or money, or social position. Unfortunately, “The Golden Rule” (Those with the Gold make the Rules) holds sway. I don’t condone raping or pillaging, either. Being both German and Catholic, I have enough of that in my history to ever condone it.

marion: People are tribal by nature. History, anthropology and sociology all confirm this. I might have done a poor job of attempting that point in ascribing it to human nature, but people in general hew to the familiar and fear the unfamiliar.

[drunkle]

allen:

the guy’s only other point was “anyone but hillary”. his one other comment regarding obama was about white guilt and is still exactly in the vein of niger lover. he was not doing anything other than trolling.

i didn’t bother with his follow up posts. “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.” was all i needed to see to know where that dead end would end.

you did in fact accuse me of pulling the race card. you did in fact say that i avoided the issue by accusing him of racism. if you try to use my admission of not reading his follow up as evidence of me copping out, think about the statement “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.”. think about the insinuations even outside of race.

edit:

and as far as not shrugging off racism… great. you believe in meritocracy and yet, you do realize that the standards are different depending your skin?

edit 2:

perhaps you were implying by your comments on “the golden rule” that you do know standards are different. in that case, you know that it’s not right. and you would accept someone or some “people’s” criticisms of such?

[drunkle]

allen:

the guy’s only other point was “anyone but hillary”. his one other comment regarding obama was about white guilt and is still exactly in the vein of niger lover. he was not doing anything other than trolling.

i didn’t bother with his follow up posts. “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.” was all i needed to see to know where that dead end would end.

you did in fact accuse me of pulling the race card. you did in fact say that i avoided the issue by accusing him of racism. if you try to use my admission of not reading his follow up as evidence of me copping out, think about the statement “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.”. think about the insinuations even outside of race.

edit:

and as far as not shrugging off racism… great. you believe in meritocracy and yet, you do realize that the standards are different depending your skin?

edit 2:

perhaps you were implying by your comments on “the golden rule” that you do know standards are different. in that case, you know that it’s not right. and you would accept someone or some “people’s” criticisms of such?

[drunkle]

allen:

the guy’s only other point was “anyone but hillary”. his one other comment regarding obama was about white guilt and is still exactly in the vein of niger lover. he was not doing anything other than trolling.

i didn’t bother with his follow up posts. “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.” was all i needed to see to know where that dead end would end.

you did in fact accuse me of pulling the race card. you did in fact say that i avoided the issue by accusing him of racism. if you try to use my admission of not reading his follow up as evidence of me copping out, think about the statement “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.”. think about the insinuations even outside of race.

edit:

and as far as not shrugging off racism… great. you believe in meritocracy and yet, you do realize that the standards are different depending your skin?

edit 2:

perhaps you were implying by your comments on “the golden rule” that you do know standards are different. in that case, you know that it’s not right. and you would accept someone or some “people’s” criticisms of such?

[drunkle]

allen:

the guy’s only other point was “anyone but hillary”. his one other comment regarding obama was about white guilt and is still exactly in the vein of niger lover. he was not doing anything other than trolling.

i didn’t bother with his follow up posts. “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.” was all i needed to see to know where that dead end would end.

you did in fact accuse me of pulling the race card. you did in fact say that i avoided the issue by accusing him of racism. if you try to use my admission of not reading his follow up as evidence of me copping out, think about the statement “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.”. think about the insinuations even outside of race.

edit:

and as far as not shrugging off racism… great. you believe in meritocracy and yet, you do realize that the standards are different depending your skin?

edit 2:

perhaps you were implying by your comments on “the golden rule” that you do know standards are different. in that case, you know that it’s not right. and you would accept someone or some “people’s” criticisms of such?

[drunkle]

allen:

the guy’s only other point was “anyone but hillary”. his one other comment regarding obama was about white guilt and is still exactly in the vein of niger lover. he was not doing anything other than trolling.

i didn’t bother with his follow up posts. “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.” was all i needed to see to know where that dead end would end.

you did in fact accuse me of pulling the race card. you did in fact say that i avoided the issue by accusing him of racism. if you try to use my admission of not reading his follow up as evidence of me copping out, think about the statement “it’s a well known fact that liberals love melanin.”. think about the insinuations even outside of race.

edit:

and as far as not shrugging off racism… great. you believe in meritocracy and yet, you do realize that the standards are different depending your skin?

edit 2:

perhaps you were implying by your comments on “the golden rule” that you do know standards are different. in that case, you know that it’s not right. and you would accept someone or some “people’s” criticisms of such?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

drunkle: Point taken, and my apologies.

That being said, I would also opine that you are somewhat hung up on the insinuation, and missing the larger point. That point? That the left is indeed pulling a mea culpa when it comes to white guilt, and giving anyone of color a hall pass – if they toe the rhetorical line, of course.

Are the Republicans guilty of similar behavior? You bet. I am not so naive as to argue that somehow those on the reactionary right are any better. They’re not.

So we’re clear: I am not some gun-toting right winger. While conservative, I didn’t check my brain at the door. My issues are largely centered on the extremes of both parties hijacking the discussion and polarizing this country to the point that not only is the center lost, but so is the ability to maintain a civil discussion.

As I said, I am not here to apologize for gold. I got the gist of where he was going, just as you got the insinuation cloaked within. I very much object to his vilification of liberals. I would substitute left wing for liberal.

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