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February 25, 2009 at 7:57 PM #355662February 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM #355085
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Participant[quote=TheBreeze][quote=cr]
Here’s my analysis: Breezey is conflicted (kind of like Alex_Angel – whatever happened to him btw? Breeze is that you?). Deep inside he loves Obama, but he knows Obama is as clueless as W. More polished, but less experienced. Optimistic, but inept.
He hopes (like all BO supporters) his enthusiasm will catch on, but he’s put on enough cheer routines to know it won’t. So he needles us with posts likes this primarily to get a reaction.
We all know it, but humor him anyway.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in Obomber so far. To me, it would have made sense politically and economically to allow all the big banks to fail fairly quickly after he took office. The Dow would likely be down another two- to three-thousand points and the economy would probably be worse now, but I think the economy and the stock market would have had a much better chance to turn around by the time Obama came up for election again in four years. This is essentially what Reagan/Volcker did at the beginning of his term and it worked out great for Reagan.
With this slow bleed approach and continual, periodic propping up of the big banks, I think both the economy and the stock market could just continue to slowly deflate for the next four years. By taking this approach, I think Obama is both risking his re-election chances and will end up causing more economic damage overall.
I have to admit that I’m baffled. Politically, it seems like it would have made sense to make a clean break from Bush on the economy. However, it appears that Obama has chosen to continue the Bush economic strategy.
Is there no end to this madness?[/quote]
Your best post by far, Breezy! 😉
In all seriousness, I think that what a growing majority of us on this board are starting to realize is that NOTHING EVER CHANGES and NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE as long as we simply rotate losers from either of these two parties in and out of office every 4-8 years. Seriously, this sorry game has outlived itself by about 100 years. We need a complete and total overhaul of the entire system. So no, Breezy, there will be no end to this madness unless we collectively decide to take that step.
Someone last week posted a thread and asked what we steps we should take to reverse this madness. I don’t have all the answers, but I have a few suggestions that would put us on the road to recovering our economy AND our democracy.
No incumbents – sweep them out of office completely. As long as one of those cancerous cells remains, any fresh blood will be immediately contaminated. As much as I dislike Obama, I have to believe that at one time he came to local government with the best of intentions. But let’s face it: the guy is now a complete tool of the Establishment. He couldn’t even maintain the facade for 6 months.
Eliminate lobbyists. Forget implementing regulations; just make them illegal – period. That simple step will go along way toward equalizing the voices in this country.
And for God sake’s, get rid of the Fed – or at least make it a public institution accountable to taxpayers. Allowing a private bank to debase our currency and destroy our future is sheer insanity.
In Obama’s defense…surrounded by hacks and losers like Pelosi and Reid, lobbyists and Wall Street thugs, how could any normal person continue to stay true to their values and principles? Sooner or later the cancer overtakes you. Perhaps politics is inherently corrupt, will always be corrupt and there is no hope for government on any level. But I’m optimistic enough to believe that if we can start over and give people a legitimate voice in decisions about their future, then we will make real progress – at least until the cancer returns. And then it will be time to replace the system once more. Democracy, in the end, may just need an enema every 100 years or so.
I doubt our Founding Fathers believed that this country would never have to confront tyranny again. In fact, that is the very purpose of the Second Amendment. It’s not about hunting; it’s about standing up to abuse at the highest levels.
As Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.”
Are you ready to open a vein, Breezy?
February 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM #355394Participant[quote=TheBreeze][quote=cr]
Here’s my analysis: Breezey is conflicted (kind of like Alex_Angel – whatever happened to him btw? Breeze is that you?). Deep inside he loves Obama, but he knows Obama is as clueless as W. More polished, but less experienced. Optimistic, but inept.
He hopes (like all BO supporters) his enthusiasm will catch on, but he’s put on enough cheer routines to know it won’t. So he needles us with posts likes this primarily to get a reaction.
We all know it, but humor him anyway.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in Obomber so far. To me, it would have made sense politically and economically to allow all the big banks to fail fairly quickly after he took office. The Dow would likely be down another two- to three-thousand points and the economy would probably be worse now, but I think the economy and the stock market would have had a much better chance to turn around by the time Obama came up for election again in four years. This is essentially what Reagan/Volcker did at the beginning of his term and it worked out great for Reagan.
With this slow bleed approach and continual, periodic propping up of the big banks, I think both the economy and the stock market could just continue to slowly deflate for the next four years. By taking this approach, I think Obama is both risking his re-election chances and will end up causing more economic damage overall.
I have to admit that I’m baffled. Politically, it seems like it would have made sense to make a clean break from Bush on the economy. However, it appears that Obama has chosen to continue the Bush economic strategy.
Is there no end to this madness?[/quote]
Your best post by far, Breezy! 😉
In all seriousness, I think that what a growing majority of us on this board are starting to realize is that NOTHING EVER CHANGES and NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE as long as we simply rotate losers from either of these two parties in and out of office every 4-8 years. Seriously, this sorry game has outlived itself by about 100 years. We need a complete and total overhaul of the entire system. So no, Breezy, there will be no end to this madness unless we collectively decide to take that step.
Someone last week posted a thread and asked what we steps we should take to reverse this madness. I don’t have all the answers, but I have a few suggestions that would put us on the road to recovering our economy AND our democracy.
No incumbents – sweep them out of office completely. As long as one of those cancerous cells remains, any fresh blood will be immediately contaminated. As much as I dislike Obama, I have to believe that at one time he came to local government with the best of intentions. But let’s face it: the guy is now a complete tool of the Establishment. He couldn’t even maintain the facade for 6 months.
Eliminate lobbyists. Forget implementing regulations; just make them illegal – period. That simple step will go along way toward equalizing the voices in this country.
And for God sake’s, get rid of the Fed – or at least make it a public institution accountable to taxpayers. Allowing a private bank to debase our currency and destroy our future is sheer insanity.
In Obama’s defense…surrounded by hacks and losers like Pelosi and Reid, lobbyists and Wall Street thugs, how could any normal person continue to stay true to their values and principles? Sooner or later the cancer overtakes you. Perhaps politics is inherently corrupt, will always be corrupt and there is no hope for government on any level. But I’m optimistic enough to believe that if we can start over and give people a legitimate voice in decisions about their future, then we will make real progress – at least until the cancer returns. And then it will be time to replace the system once more. Democracy, in the end, may just need an enema every 100 years or so.
I doubt our Founding Fathers believed that this country would never have to confront tyranny again. In fact, that is the very purpose of the Second Amendment. It’s not about hunting; it’s about standing up to abuse at the highest levels.
As Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.”
Are you ready to open a vein, Breezy?
February 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM #355528Participant[quote=TheBreeze][quote=cr]
Here’s my analysis: Breezey is conflicted (kind of like Alex_Angel – whatever happened to him btw? Breeze is that you?). Deep inside he loves Obama, but he knows Obama is as clueless as W. More polished, but less experienced. Optimistic, but inept.
He hopes (like all BO supporters) his enthusiasm will catch on, but he’s put on enough cheer routines to know it won’t. So he needles us with posts likes this primarily to get a reaction.
We all know it, but humor him anyway.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in Obomber so far. To me, it would have made sense politically and economically to allow all the big banks to fail fairly quickly after he took office. The Dow would likely be down another two- to three-thousand points and the economy would probably be worse now, but I think the economy and the stock market would have had a much better chance to turn around by the time Obama came up for election again in four years. This is essentially what Reagan/Volcker did at the beginning of his term and it worked out great for Reagan.
With this slow bleed approach and continual, periodic propping up of the big banks, I think both the economy and the stock market could just continue to slowly deflate for the next four years. By taking this approach, I think Obama is both risking his re-election chances and will end up causing more economic damage overall.
I have to admit that I’m baffled. Politically, it seems like it would have made sense to make a clean break from Bush on the economy. However, it appears that Obama has chosen to continue the Bush economic strategy.
Is there no end to this madness?[/quote]
Your best post by far, Breezy! 😉
In all seriousness, I think that what a growing majority of us on this board are starting to realize is that NOTHING EVER CHANGES and NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE as long as we simply rotate losers from either of these two parties in and out of office every 4-8 years. Seriously, this sorry game has outlived itself by about 100 years. We need a complete and total overhaul of the entire system. So no, Breezy, there will be no end to this madness unless we collectively decide to take that step.
Someone last week posted a thread and asked what we steps we should take to reverse this madness. I don’t have all the answers, but I have a few suggestions that would put us on the road to recovering our economy AND our democracy.
No incumbents – sweep them out of office completely. As long as one of those cancerous cells remains, any fresh blood will be immediately contaminated. As much as I dislike Obama, I have to believe that at one time he came to local government with the best of intentions. But let’s face it: the guy is now a complete tool of the Establishment. He couldn’t even maintain the facade for 6 months.
Eliminate lobbyists. Forget implementing regulations; just make them illegal – period. That simple step will go along way toward equalizing the voices in this country.
And for God sake’s, get rid of the Fed – or at least make it a public institution accountable to taxpayers. Allowing a private bank to debase our currency and destroy our future is sheer insanity.
In Obama’s defense…surrounded by hacks and losers like Pelosi and Reid, lobbyists and Wall Street thugs, how could any normal person continue to stay true to their values and principles? Sooner or later the cancer overtakes you. Perhaps politics is inherently corrupt, will always be corrupt and there is no hope for government on any level. But I’m optimistic enough to believe that if we can start over and give people a legitimate voice in decisions about their future, then we will make real progress – at least until the cancer returns. And then it will be time to replace the system once more. Democracy, in the end, may just need an enema every 100 years or so.
I doubt our Founding Fathers believed that this country would never have to confront tyranny again. In fact, that is the very purpose of the Second Amendment. It’s not about hunting; it’s about standing up to abuse at the highest levels.
As Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.”
Are you ready to open a vein, Breezy?
February 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM #355557Participant[quote=TheBreeze][quote=cr]
Here’s my analysis: Breezey is conflicted (kind of like Alex_Angel – whatever happened to him btw? Breeze is that you?). Deep inside he loves Obama, but he knows Obama is as clueless as W. More polished, but less experienced. Optimistic, but inept.
He hopes (like all BO supporters) his enthusiasm will catch on, but he’s put on enough cheer routines to know it won’t. So he needles us with posts likes this primarily to get a reaction.
We all know it, but humor him anyway.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in Obomber so far. To me, it would have made sense politically and economically to allow all the big banks to fail fairly quickly after he took office. The Dow would likely be down another two- to three-thousand points and the economy would probably be worse now, but I think the economy and the stock market would have had a much better chance to turn around by the time Obama came up for election again in four years. This is essentially what Reagan/Volcker did at the beginning of his term and it worked out great for Reagan.
With this slow bleed approach and continual, periodic propping up of the big banks, I think both the economy and the stock market could just continue to slowly deflate for the next four years. By taking this approach, I think Obama is both risking his re-election chances and will end up causing more economic damage overall.
I have to admit that I’m baffled. Politically, it seems like it would have made sense to make a clean break from Bush on the economy. However, it appears that Obama has chosen to continue the Bush economic strategy.
Is there no end to this madness?[/quote]
Your best post by far, Breezy! 😉
In all seriousness, I think that what a growing majority of us on this board are starting to realize is that NOTHING EVER CHANGES and NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE as long as we simply rotate losers from either of these two parties in and out of office every 4-8 years. Seriously, this sorry game has outlived itself by about 100 years. We need a complete and total overhaul of the entire system. So no, Breezy, there will be no end to this madness unless we collectively decide to take that step.
Someone last week posted a thread and asked what we steps we should take to reverse this madness. I don’t have all the answers, but I have a few suggestions that would put us on the road to recovering our economy AND our democracy.
No incumbents – sweep them out of office completely. As long as one of those cancerous cells remains, any fresh blood will be immediately contaminated. As much as I dislike Obama, I have to believe that at one time he came to local government with the best of intentions. But let’s face it: the guy is now a complete tool of the Establishment. He couldn’t even maintain the facade for 6 months.
Eliminate lobbyists. Forget implementing regulations; just make them illegal – period. That simple step will go along way toward equalizing the voices in this country.
And for God sake’s, get rid of the Fed – or at least make it a public institution accountable to taxpayers. Allowing a private bank to debase our currency and destroy our future is sheer insanity.
In Obama’s defense…surrounded by hacks and losers like Pelosi and Reid, lobbyists and Wall Street thugs, how could any normal person continue to stay true to their values and principles? Sooner or later the cancer overtakes you. Perhaps politics is inherently corrupt, will always be corrupt and there is no hope for government on any level. But I’m optimistic enough to believe that if we can start over and give people a legitimate voice in decisions about their future, then we will make real progress – at least until the cancer returns. And then it will be time to replace the system once more. Democracy, in the end, may just need an enema every 100 years or so.
I doubt our Founding Fathers believed that this country would never have to confront tyranny again. In fact, that is the very purpose of the Second Amendment. It’s not about hunting; it’s about standing up to abuse at the highest levels.
As Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.”
Are you ready to open a vein, Breezy?
February 25, 2009 at 8:01 PM #355667Participant[quote=TheBreeze][quote=cr]
Here’s my analysis: Breezey is conflicted (kind of like Alex_Angel – whatever happened to him btw? Breeze is that you?). Deep inside he loves Obama, but he knows Obama is as clueless as W. More polished, but less experienced. Optimistic, but inept.
He hopes (like all BO supporters) his enthusiasm will catch on, but he’s put on enough cheer routines to know it won’t. So he needles us with posts likes this primarily to get a reaction.
We all know it, but humor him anyway.[/quote]
Yeah, I’ve been disappointed in Obomber so far. To me, it would have made sense politically and economically to allow all the big banks to fail fairly quickly after he took office. The Dow would likely be down another two- to three-thousand points and the economy would probably be worse now, but I think the economy and the stock market would have had a much better chance to turn around by the time Obama came up for election again in four years. This is essentially what Reagan/Volcker did at the beginning of his term and it worked out great for Reagan.
With this slow bleed approach and continual, periodic propping up of the big banks, I think both the economy and the stock market could just continue to slowly deflate for the next four years. By taking this approach, I think Obama is both risking his re-election chances and will end up causing more economic damage overall.
I have to admit that I’m baffled. Politically, it seems like it would have made sense to make a clean break from Bush on the economy. However, it appears that Obama has chosen to continue the Bush economic strategy.
Is there no end to this madness?[/quote]
Your best post by far, Breezy! 😉
In all seriousness, I think that what a growing majority of us on this board are starting to realize is that NOTHING EVER CHANGES and NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE as long as we simply rotate losers from either of these two parties in and out of office every 4-8 years. Seriously, this sorry game has outlived itself by about 100 years. We need a complete and total overhaul of the entire system. So no, Breezy, there will be no end to this madness unless we collectively decide to take that step.
Someone last week posted a thread and asked what we steps we should take to reverse this madness. I don’t have all the answers, but I have a few suggestions that would put us on the road to recovering our economy AND our democracy.
No incumbents – sweep them out of office completely. As long as one of those cancerous cells remains, any fresh blood will be immediately contaminated. As much as I dislike Obama, I have to believe that at one time he came to local government with the best of intentions. But let’s face it: the guy is now a complete tool of the Establishment. He couldn’t even maintain the facade for 6 months.
Eliminate lobbyists. Forget implementing regulations; just make them illegal – period. That simple step will go along way toward equalizing the voices in this country.
And for God sake’s, get rid of the Fed – or at least make it a public institution accountable to taxpayers. Allowing a private bank to debase our currency and destroy our future is sheer insanity.
In Obama’s defense…surrounded by hacks and losers like Pelosi and Reid, lobbyists and Wall Street thugs, how could any normal person continue to stay true to their values and principles? Sooner or later the cancer overtakes you. Perhaps politics is inherently corrupt, will always be corrupt and there is no hope for government on any level. But I’m optimistic enough to believe that if we can start over and give people a legitimate voice in decisions about their future, then we will make real progress – at least until the cancer returns. And then it will be time to replace the system once more. Democracy, in the end, may just need an enema every 100 years or so.
I doubt our Founding Fathers believed that this country would never have to confront tyranny again. In fact, that is the very purpose of the Second Amendment. It’s not about hunting; it’s about standing up to abuse at the highest levels.
As Thomas Jefferson once wrote, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots.”
Are you ready to open a vein, Breezy?
February 25, 2009 at 8:05 PM #355090Participant[quote=arraya][quote=Butleroftwo][quote=gandalf]Obama’s speech was quite good.
I don’t care what the market does. It’s not the President’s job to prop up the DJIA. That’s what BUSINESS is supposed to do. The irony. LMAO.
[/quote]
The stock market is half of what it was when the lame duck gave up to the Democrats. These morons have done nothing with their power except put fear into the markets. You should care what the markets do. They fuel capitalism, economic growth, stability, research and everything else that is good.
If you are going to promote Obama every time he is in trouble then we will be seeing gandalf a lot.[/quote]
Nonsense, Obama is continuing the same stupid and counterproductive means of restarting the economy as the old president. It’s the Fed plan. He is just at latter stage of a doomed to fail plan.
The only difference is Obama has committed about 8% of the total money the taxpayers are on the hook for to material pimp-my-country projects that are only temporary and won’t put a dent in unemployment. Still the main pretext is to get credit pumping again and propping up an unsustainable model.
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Arraya, the economic “advisors” that Obama has surrounded himself with are not stupid people. They must see where this course of action will ultimately lead us.
At a deep level, I have a growing and nagging suspicion that the global economy is being intentionally crashed. Why, I’m not sure. But what Obama is doing simply makes no sense whatsoever. Not even for a Democrat 😉
February 25, 2009 at 8:05 PM #355399Participant[quote=arraya][quote=Butleroftwo][quote=gandalf]Obama’s speech was quite good.
I don’t care what the market does. It’s not the President’s job to prop up the DJIA. That’s what BUSINESS is supposed to do. The irony. LMAO.
[/quote]
The stock market is half of what it was when the lame duck gave up to the Democrats. These morons have done nothing with their power except put fear into the markets. You should care what the markets do. They fuel capitalism, economic growth, stability, research and everything else that is good.
If you are going to promote Obama every time he is in trouble then we will be seeing gandalf a lot.[/quote]
Nonsense, Obama is continuing the same stupid and counterproductive means of restarting the economy as the old president. It’s the Fed plan. He is just at latter stage of a doomed to fail plan.
The only difference is Obama has committed about 8% of the total money the taxpayers are on the hook for to material pimp-my-country projects that are only temporary and won’t put a dent in unemployment. Still the main pretext is to get credit pumping again and propping up an unsustainable model.
[/quote]
Arraya, the economic “advisors” that Obama has surrounded himself with are not stupid people. They must see where this course of action will ultimately lead us.
At a deep level, I have a growing and nagging suspicion that the global economy is being intentionally crashed. Why, I’m not sure. But what Obama is doing simply makes no sense whatsoever. Not even for a Democrat 😉
February 25, 2009 at 8:05 PM #355533Participant[quote=arraya][quote=Butleroftwo][quote=gandalf]Obama’s speech was quite good.
I don’t care what the market does. It’s not the President’s job to prop up the DJIA. That’s what BUSINESS is supposed to do. The irony. LMAO.
[/quote]
The stock market is half of what it was when the lame duck gave up to the Democrats. These morons have done nothing with their power except put fear into the markets. You should care what the markets do. They fuel capitalism, economic growth, stability, research and everything else that is good.
If you are going to promote Obama every time he is in trouble then we will be seeing gandalf a lot.[/quote]
Nonsense, Obama is continuing the same stupid and counterproductive means of restarting the economy as the old president. It’s the Fed plan. He is just at latter stage of a doomed to fail plan.
The only difference is Obama has committed about 8% of the total money the taxpayers are on the hook for to material pimp-my-country projects that are only temporary and won’t put a dent in unemployment. Still the main pretext is to get credit pumping again and propping up an unsustainable model.
[/quote]
Arraya, the economic “advisors” that Obama has surrounded himself with are not stupid people. They must see where this course of action will ultimately lead us.
At a deep level, I have a growing and nagging suspicion that the global economy is being intentionally crashed. Why, I’m not sure. But what Obama is doing simply makes no sense whatsoever. Not even for a Democrat 😉
February 25, 2009 at 8:05 PM #355562Participant[quote=arraya][quote=Butleroftwo][quote=gandalf]Obama’s speech was quite good.
I don’t care what the market does. It’s not the President’s job to prop up the DJIA. That’s what BUSINESS is supposed to do. The irony. LMAO.
[/quote]
The stock market is half of what it was when the lame duck gave up to the Democrats. These morons have done nothing with their power except put fear into the markets. You should care what the markets do. They fuel capitalism, economic growth, stability, research and everything else that is good.
If you are going to promote Obama every time he is in trouble then we will be seeing gandalf a lot.[/quote]
Nonsense, Obama is continuing the same stupid and counterproductive means of restarting the economy as the old president. It’s the Fed plan. He is just at latter stage of a doomed to fail plan.
The only difference is Obama has committed about 8% of the total money the taxpayers are on the hook for to material pimp-my-country projects that are only temporary and won’t put a dent in unemployment. Still the main pretext is to get credit pumping again and propping up an unsustainable model.
[/quote]
Arraya, the economic “advisors” that Obama has surrounded himself with are not stupid people. They must see where this course of action will ultimately lead us.
At a deep level, I have a growing and nagging suspicion that the global economy is being intentionally crashed. Why, I’m not sure. But what Obama is doing simply makes no sense whatsoever. Not even for a Democrat 😉
February 25, 2009 at 8:05 PM #355672Participant[quote=arraya][quote=Butleroftwo][quote=gandalf]Obama’s speech was quite good.
I don’t care what the market does. It’s not the President’s job to prop up the DJIA. That’s what BUSINESS is supposed to do. The irony. LMAO.
[/quote]
The stock market is half of what it was when the lame duck gave up to the Democrats. These morons have done nothing with their power except put fear into the markets. You should care what the markets do. They fuel capitalism, economic growth, stability, research and everything else that is good.
If you are going to promote Obama every time he is in trouble then we will be seeing gandalf a lot.[/quote]
Nonsense, Obama is continuing the same stupid and counterproductive means of restarting the economy as the old president. It’s the Fed plan. He is just at latter stage of a doomed to fail plan.
The only difference is Obama has committed about 8% of the total money the taxpayers are on the hook for to material pimp-my-country projects that are only temporary and won’t put a dent in unemployment. Still the main pretext is to get credit pumping again and propping up an unsustainable model.
[/quote]
Arraya, the economic “advisors” that Obama has surrounded himself with are not stupid people. They must see where this course of action will ultimately lead us.
At a deep level, I have a growing and nagging suspicion that the global economy is being intentionally crashed. Why, I’m not sure. But what Obama is doing simply makes no sense whatsoever. Not even for a Democrat 😉
February 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM #355135Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantPartypup: You didn’t finish the Jefferson quote. It reads: “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS”.
I think we are reaching an inflection point in this country and, for the government, the worst of all possible things is happening: The People (capital P) are WAKING UP.
I remember watching the death of communism at the close of the Cold War and those massive demonstrations in Prague, and Warsaw and, most importantly, East Berlin and the fall of the Berlin Wall. That massive monolithic Soviet machine went with a whimper and not a bang and as a result of millions of oppressed people deciding that enough was enough.
Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.
P.S. Hey, Breezie, welcome back, man! To reality, that is.
February 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM #355444ParticipantPartypup: You didn’t finish the Jefferson quote. It reads: “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS”.
I think we are reaching an inflection point in this country and, for the government, the worst of all possible things is happening: The People (capital P) are WAKING UP.
I remember watching the death of communism at the close of the Cold War and those massive demonstrations in Prague, and Warsaw and, most importantly, East Berlin and the fall of the Berlin Wall. That massive monolithic Soviet machine went with a whimper and not a bang and as a result of millions of oppressed people deciding that enough was enough.
Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.
P.S. Hey, Breezie, welcome back, man! To reality, that is.
February 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM #355578ParticipantPartypup: You didn’t finish the Jefferson quote. It reads: “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS”.
I think we are reaching an inflection point in this country and, for the government, the worst of all possible things is happening: The People (capital P) are WAKING UP.
I remember watching the death of communism at the close of the Cold War and those massive demonstrations in Prague, and Warsaw and, most importantly, East Berlin and the fall of the Berlin Wall. That massive monolithic Soviet machine went with a whimper and not a bang and as a result of millions of oppressed people deciding that enough was enough.
Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.
P.S. Hey, Breezie, welcome back, man! To reality, that is.
February 25, 2009 at 9:45 PM #355607ParticipantPartypup: You didn’t finish the Jefferson quote. It reads: “The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots AND TYRANTS”.
I think we are reaching an inflection point in this country and, for the government, the worst of all possible things is happening: The People (capital P) are WAKING UP.
I remember watching the death of communism at the close of the Cold War and those massive demonstrations in Prague, and Warsaw and, most importantly, East Berlin and the fall of the Berlin Wall. That massive monolithic Soviet machine went with a whimper and not a bang and as a result of millions of oppressed people deciding that enough was enough.
Are we so socialized as to have lost that spark of revolution? Or not? If it is the latter, then TPTB had better watch out. Last time I checked, when Americans are roused to righteous fury, you better watch the fuck out.
P.S. Hey, Breezie, welcome back, man! To reality, that is.
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