Obama’s accomplishments so far

[briansd1]

Talking about a plan for jobs that the unemployed need right now, the NYTimes has an editorial on the Republican plan. That Republican plan is reason enough to keep Obama in office.

Asked how he would start to put the 14 million jobless back to work, Rick Santorum said he would repeal health care reform and drill for oil. Tim Pawlenty was one of several making the tired-and-empty argument that more tax cutting would “get the economy moving.” Mr. Santorum actually vowed to let the “wealth really trickle down.”

Michele Bachmann had the strangest, most simplistic economic solution of all: simply close down the Environmental Protection Agency, which she said “should really be renamed the Job-Killing Organization of America.”

Mr. Romney, the presumed front-runner, provided almost no details of his economic plan, except to attack Mr. Obama for making the recession “worse and longer.” (He didn’t mention that the recession ended in June 2009.) He said the government’s bailout of General Motors and Chrysler was a waste of money and accused the administration of catering to the auto unions. He did not mention that it saved at least 1.4 million jobs and a vital American industry, which has already paid back half the cost.

The field was silent on so many things: how to cover those without health insurance, how to improve education while slashing budgets, which popular programs to cut after the onslaught of tax reductions. It is much easier, apparently, to impress Republican voters with the facile argument that President Obama has failed.

But, at some point, those voters are going to want these candidates to start making some distinctions among themselves, and that will require far more truth-telling than was evident on Monday.

But more seriously, on jobs for the unemployed, we need another stimulus bill — a real stimulus bill that hire people and put them to work.

State and local goverment budget cuts are slowing down the economy. The Federal government needs to step in.

Paul Krugman has a good plan. I believe that it would be Obama’s plan if he could get it through Congress.

Have People in Power Turned Their Back on Job Creation? (12:07PM)

US unemployment is back up to 9.1 percent and 45 percent of the jobless have been out of work for more than six months, 30 percent for more than a year. Joblessness has become chronically high on both sides of the Atlantic, but “policy makers are sinking into a condition of learned helplessness on the jobs issue. The more they fail to do anything, the more they convince themselves there’s nothing they could do.” That’s according to Nobel-Prize winner and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, who insists it’s time for governments to take action. Is stimulus spending the answer? What about the deficit? Are both Democrats and Republicans failing to govern? In the meantime, what are the consequences of chronic unemployment? Will the US go the way of Spain? We talk with Krugman and others.

How does cutting spending now and immediately paying down the national debt help the unemployed right now? That’s the question we should be asking of the Republicans and Tea Party.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]
But more seriously, on jobs for the unemployed, we need another stimulus bill — a real stimulus bill that hire people and put them to work.

State and local goverment budget cuts are slowing down the economy. The Federal government needs to step in.

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Brian: The Federal government needs to step in again? Like last time? You know, the $787Bn stimulus program…

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/572596/201105181850/A-Shovel-Empty-Waste-Of-787-Billion.aspx

And, God help me, as much as I hate to quote Fox News (although you quoted that administration shill, Krugman, so I guess we’re even), this is also germane: http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/13/obama-jokes-jobs-council-shovel-ready-was-not-shovel-ready-we-expected

I asked you for Obama’s plans. I got nothing substantive in response, other than a rabbinical (question to a question) answer. I could care less about the GOP and the Tea Party. I want to know what Obama is planning on doing. If you’re honest, you’re going to have to admit he’s as clueless as the opposition (and I asked you to be honest).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]
But more seriously, on jobs for the unemployed, we need another stimulus bill — a real stimulus bill that hire people and put them to work.

State and local goverment budget cuts are slowing down the economy. The Federal government needs to step in.

[/quote]

Brian: The Federal government needs to step in again? Like last time? You know, the $787Bn stimulus program…

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/572596/201105181850/A-Shovel-Empty-Waste-Of-787-Billion.aspx

And, God help me, as much as I hate to quote Fox News (although you quoted that administration shill, Krugman, so I guess we’re even), this is also germane: http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/13/obama-jokes-jobs-council-shovel-ready-was-not-shovel-ready-we-expected

I asked you for Obama’s plans. I got nothing substantive in response, other than a rabbinical (question to a question) answer. I could care less about the GOP and the Tea Party. I want to know what Obama is planning on doing. If you’re honest, you’re going to have to admit he’s as clueless as the opposition (and I asked you to be honest).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]
But more seriously, on jobs for the unemployed, we need another stimulus bill — a real stimulus bill that hire people and put them to work.

State and local goverment budget cuts are slowing down the economy. The Federal government needs to step in.

[/quote]

Brian: The Federal government needs to step in again? Like last time? You know, the $787Bn stimulus program…

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/572596/201105181850/A-Shovel-Empty-Waste-Of-787-Billion.aspx

And, God help me, as much as I hate to quote Fox News (although you quoted that administration shill, Krugman, so I guess we’re even), this is also germane: http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/13/obama-jokes-jobs-council-shovel-ready-was-not-shovel-ready-we-expected

I asked you for Obama’s plans. I got nothing substantive in response, other than a rabbinical (question to a question) answer. I could care less about the GOP and the Tea Party. I want to know what Obama is planning on doing. If you’re honest, you’re going to have to admit he’s as clueless as the opposition (and I asked you to be honest).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]
But more seriously, on jobs for the unemployed, we need another stimulus bill — a real stimulus bill that hire people and put them to work.

State and local goverment budget cuts are slowing down the economy. The Federal government needs to step in.

[/quote]

Brian: The Federal government needs to step in again? Like last time? You know, the $787Bn stimulus program…

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/572596/201105181850/A-Shovel-Empty-Waste-Of-787-Billion.aspx

And, God help me, as much as I hate to quote Fox News (although you quoted that administration shill, Krugman, so I guess we’re even), this is also germane: http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/13/obama-jokes-jobs-council-shovel-ready-was-not-shovel-ready-we-expected

I asked you for Obama’s plans. I got nothing substantive in response, other than a rabbinical (question to a question) answer. I could care less about the GOP and the Tea Party. I want to know what Obama is planning on doing. If you’re honest, you’re going to have to admit he’s as clueless as the opposition (and I asked you to be honest).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1]
But more seriously, on jobs for the unemployed, we need another stimulus bill — a real stimulus bill that hire people and put them to work.

State and local goverment budget cuts are slowing down the economy. The Federal government needs to step in.

[/quote]

Brian: The Federal government needs to step in again? Like last time? You know, the $787Bn stimulus program…

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/572596/201105181850/A-Shovel-Empty-Waste-Of-787-Billion.aspx

And, God help me, as much as I hate to quote Fox News (although you quoted that administration shill, Krugman, so I guess we’re even), this is also germane: http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/13/obama-jokes-jobs-council-shovel-ready-was-not-shovel-ready-we-expected

I asked you for Obama’s plans. I got nothing substantive in response, other than a rabbinical (question to a question) answer. I could care less about the GOP and the Tea Party. I want to know what Obama is planning on doing. If you’re honest, you’re going to have to admit he’s as clueless as the opposition (and I asked you to be honest).

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all of the talk about which party is more responsible doesn’t mean shit to those families that cannot pay their bills, or cover their mortgage, or are dealing with a primary breadwinner out of work. [/quote]

Allan, I don’t think that we can talk about Obama independent of the Republican alternative.

We are talking immediate term job creation here. Long term fiscal responsibility is another issue.

Voters want jobs NOW.

If Republicans want to sacrifice jobs for the deficit and national debt, they should honestly say so.

Yes, most economists believe that another stimulus is in order to create jobs immediately — a wpa type program that hire people (not tax cuts which were near $300 billion of the the original $787 billion stimulus).

The original stimulus worked in averting a worse downturn, but it was not a jobs creating program.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110610have_people_in_power

Now for the data, Europe decided on austerity (ironically pretty much what Republicans want to do here) and what did they get?

The USA and China decided to stimulate the economy. We are better off and growing faster today than Europe. Add time, and the compounding effect of growth to that and we will be even better off than Europe a decade from now.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all of the talk about which party is more responsible doesn’t mean shit to those families that cannot pay their bills, or cover their mortgage, or are dealing with a primary breadwinner out of work. [/quote]

Allan, I don’t think that we can talk about Obama independent of the Republican alternative.

We are talking immediate term job creation here. Long term fiscal responsibility is another issue.

Voters want jobs NOW.

If Republicans want to sacrifice jobs for the deficit and national debt, they should honestly say so.

Yes, most economists believe that another stimulus is in order to create jobs immediately — a wpa type program that hire people (not tax cuts which were near $300 billion of the the original $787 billion stimulus).

The original stimulus worked in averting a worse downturn, but it was not a jobs creating program.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110610have_people_in_power

Now for the data, Europe decided on austerity (ironically pretty much what Republicans want to do here) and what did they get?

The USA and China decided to stimulate the economy. We are better off and growing faster today than Europe. Add time, and the compounding effect of growth to that and we will be even better off than Europe a decade from now.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all of the talk about which party is more responsible doesn’t mean shit to those families that cannot pay their bills, or cover their mortgage, or are dealing with a primary breadwinner out of work. [/quote]

Allan, I don’t think that we can talk about Obama independent of the Republican alternative.

We are talking immediate term job creation here. Long term fiscal responsibility is another issue.

Voters want jobs NOW.

If Republicans want to sacrifice jobs for the deficit and national debt, they should honestly say so.

Yes, most economists believe that another stimulus is in order to create jobs immediately — a wpa type program that hire people (not tax cuts which were near $300 billion of the the original $787 billion stimulus).

The original stimulus worked in averting a worse downturn, but it was not a jobs creating program.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110610have_people_in_power

Now for the data, Europe decided on austerity (ironically pretty much what Republicans want to do here) and what did they get?

The USA and China decided to stimulate the economy. We are better off and growing faster today than Europe. Add time, and the compounding effect of growth to that and we will be even better off than Europe a decade from now.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all of the talk about which party is more responsible doesn’t mean shit to those families that cannot pay their bills, or cover their mortgage, or are dealing with a primary breadwinner out of work. [/quote]

Allan, I don’t think that we can talk about Obama independent of the Republican alternative.

We are talking immediate term job creation here. Long term fiscal responsibility is another issue.

Voters want jobs NOW.

If Republicans want to sacrifice jobs for the deficit and national debt, they should honestly say so.

Yes, most economists believe that another stimulus is in order to create jobs immediately — a wpa type program that hire people (not tax cuts which were near $300 billion of the the original $787 billion stimulus).

The original stimulus worked in averting a worse downturn, but it was not a jobs creating program.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110610have_people_in_power

Now for the data, Europe decided on austerity (ironically pretty much what Republicans want to do here) and what did they get?

The USA and China decided to stimulate the economy. We are better off and growing faster today than Europe. Add time, and the compounding effect of growth to that and we will be even better off than Europe a decade from now.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] all of the talk about which party is more responsible doesn’t mean shit to those families that cannot pay their bills, or cover their mortgage, or are dealing with a primary breadwinner out of work. [/quote]

Allan, I don’t think that we can talk about Obama independent of the Republican alternative.

We are talking immediate term job creation here. Long term fiscal responsibility is another issue.

Voters want jobs NOW.

If Republicans want to sacrifice jobs for the deficit and national debt, they should honestly say so.

Yes, most economists believe that another stimulus is in order to create jobs immediately — a wpa type program that hire people (not tax cuts which were near $300 billion of the the original $787 billion stimulus).

The original stimulus worked in averting a worse downturn, but it was not a jobs creating program.

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110610have_people_in_power

Now for the data, Europe decided on austerity (ironically pretty much what Republicans want to do here) and what did they get?

The USA and China decided to stimulate the economy. We are better off and growing faster today than Europe. Add time, and the compounding effect of growth to that and we will be even better off than Europe a decade from now.

[UCGal]

Brian. I’m a lefty but I have to say that Allan keeps asking a legitimate question – what is Obama’s plan to fix the economy.

For the life of me, I can’t see a plan. And I was very hopeful that he’d be different.

I agree with Allan that blaming isn’t solving the problem so you (and folks on the other side) should just stop.

I’m not a fan of the GOP suggestions – they won’t fix the problem. But (much as it pains me to say this) they’ve at least put something on the table. Even if that something is crap.

The country’s in a big mess. Perhaps not as bad as Greece… but if we don’t do something we’ll be headed that way. I’d love to see leadership and VIABLE ideas. I don’t see them from either side.

For now… both sides are in the pockets of wall street and corporate interests… and I don’t have much optimism. Saying one side is better (or worse) than the other is splitting hairs. They both suck.

[UCGal]

Brian. I’m a lefty but I have to say that Allan keeps asking a legitimate question – what is Obama’s plan to fix the economy.

For the life of me, I can’t see a plan. And I was very hopeful that he’d be different.

I agree with Allan that blaming isn’t solving the problem so you (and folks on the other side) should just stop.

I’m not a fan of the GOP suggestions – they won’t fix the problem. But (much as it pains me to say this) they’ve at least put something on the table. Even if that something is crap.

The country’s in a big mess. Perhaps not as bad as Greece… but if we don’t do something we’ll be headed that way. I’d love to see leadership and VIABLE ideas. I don’t see them from either side.

For now… both sides are in the pockets of wall street and corporate interests… and I don’t have much optimism. Saying one side is better (or worse) than the other is splitting hairs. They both suck.

[UCGal]

Brian. I’m a lefty but I have to say that Allan keeps asking a legitimate question – what is Obama’s plan to fix the economy.

For the life of me, I can’t see a plan. And I was very hopeful that he’d be different.

I agree with Allan that blaming isn’t solving the problem so you (and folks on the other side) should just stop.

I’m not a fan of the GOP suggestions – they won’t fix the problem. But (much as it pains me to say this) they’ve at least put something on the table. Even if that something is crap.

The country’s in a big mess. Perhaps not as bad as Greece… but if we don’t do something we’ll be headed that way. I’d love to see leadership and VIABLE ideas. I don’t see them from either side.

For now… both sides are in the pockets of wall street and corporate interests… and I don’t have much optimism. Saying one side is better (or worse) than the other is splitting hairs. They both suck.

[UCGal]

Brian. I’m a lefty but I have to say that Allan keeps asking a legitimate question – what is Obama’s plan to fix the economy.

For the life of me, I can’t see a plan. And I was very hopeful that he’d be different.

I agree with Allan that blaming isn’t solving the problem so you (and folks on the other side) should just stop.

I’m not a fan of the GOP suggestions – they won’t fix the problem. But (much as it pains me to say this) they’ve at least put something on the table. Even if that something is crap.

The country’s in a big mess. Perhaps not as bad as Greece… but if we don’t do something we’ll be headed that way. I’d love to see leadership and VIABLE ideas. I don’t see them from either side.

For now… both sides are in the pockets of wall street and corporate interests… and I don’t have much optimism. Saying one side is better (or worse) than the other is splitting hairs. They both suck.

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