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March 21, 2011 at 6:24 PM #680481March 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM #679352
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Participant[quote=gandalf][quote=paramount]I would say no more than 90% of our financial problems were caused by the public employee unions in California.[/quote]
Back it up, paramount. Bring facts.
Or were you just ‘making shit up’?
I see some problems with public unions, what’s happened here in the City of San Diego is corrupt to the core.
But compared to getting gang-raped by the financial industry, the problems are minor. Do the math. As a matter of proportion, we have bigger problems than unions.
Right-wing populists, tea partiers, should be upset with wall street, banks and corporations. Instead they bitch to no end about liberals, unions and hollywood.
Entire generation of clueless idiots re-living Vietnam while corporations and robber barons plunder the country into oblivion.[/quote]
There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken
March 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM #679405Participant[quote=gandalf][quote=paramount]I would say no more than 90% of our financial problems were caused by the public employee unions in California.[/quote]
Back it up, paramount. Bring facts.
Or were you just ‘making shit up’?
I see some problems with public unions, what’s happened here in the City of San Diego is corrupt to the core.
But compared to getting gang-raped by the financial industry, the problems are minor. Do the math. As a matter of proportion, we have bigger problems than unions.
Right-wing populists, tea partiers, should be upset with wall street, banks and corporations. Instead they bitch to no end about liberals, unions and hollywood.
Entire generation of clueless idiots re-living Vietnam while corporations and robber barons plunder the country into oblivion.[/quote]
There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken
March 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM #680018Participant[quote=gandalf][quote=paramount]I would say no more than 90% of our financial problems were caused by the public employee unions in California.[/quote]
Back it up, paramount. Bring facts.
Or were you just ‘making shit up’?
I see some problems with public unions, what’s happened here in the City of San Diego is corrupt to the core.
But compared to getting gang-raped by the financial industry, the problems are minor. Do the math. As a matter of proportion, we have bigger problems than unions.
Right-wing populists, tea partiers, should be upset with wall street, banks and corporations. Instead they bitch to no end about liberals, unions and hollywood.
Entire generation of clueless idiots re-living Vietnam while corporations and robber barons plunder the country into oblivion.[/quote]
There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken
March 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM #680156Participant[quote=gandalf][quote=paramount]I would say no more than 90% of our financial problems were caused by the public employee unions in California.[/quote]
Back it up, paramount. Bring facts.
Or were you just ‘making shit up’?
I see some problems with public unions, what’s happened here in the City of San Diego is corrupt to the core.
But compared to getting gang-raped by the financial industry, the problems are minor. Do the math. As a matter of proportion, we have bigger problems than unions.
Right-wing populists, tea partiers, should be upset with wall street, banks and corporations. Instead they bitch to no end about liberals, unions and hollywood.
Entire generation of clueless idiots re-living Vietnam while corporations and robber barons plunder the country into oblivion.[/quote]
There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken
March 21, 2011 at 7:42 PM #680506Participant[quote=gandalf][quote=paramount]I would say no more than 90% of our financial problems were caused by the public employee unions in California.[/quote]
Back it up, paramount. Bring facts.
Or were you just ‘making shit up’?
I see some problems with public unions, what’s happened here in the City of San Diego is corrupt to the core.
But compared to getting gang-raped by the financial industry, the problems are minor. Do the math. As a matter of proportion, we have bigger problems than unions.
Right-wing populists, tea partiers, should be upset with wall street, banks and corporations. Instead they bitch to no end about liberals, unions and hollywood.
Entire generation of clueless idiots re-living Vietnam while corporations and robber barons plunder the country into oblivion.[/quote]
There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken
March 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM #679377sdduuuude
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]
The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]
Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.
Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]
ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.
March 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM #679430Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]
The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]
Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.
Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]
ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.
March 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM #680043Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]
The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]
Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.
Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]
ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.
March 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM #680181Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]
The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]
Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.
Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]
ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.
March 21, 2011 at 8:59 PM #680531Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]
The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]
Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.
Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]
ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.
March 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM #679392permabear
Participant[quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?
March 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM #679445Participant[quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?
March 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM #680058Participant[quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?
March 21, 2011 at 9:12 PM #680196Participant[quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?
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