Non-salary CA budget cuts

[CA renter]

Well said, TG.

And though it’s not “politically correct,” I (and others here) have noted that the fastest-growing segment is the illegal immigrant community.

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The study assumes that there are about 1 million children of illegal immigrant parents in California, or about 15 percent of the state’s K-12 school enrolled population. The estimate is based on a 1994 study by the Urban Institute that concluded there were 307,000 illegal immigrant children enrolled in the state’s public schools.

Martin also added an estimate of 597,000 U.S.-born children whose parents are illegal immigrants arriving at a total of 1,022,000 children. Multiplying the number of children by the estimated $7,577 the state spends on average per pupil, the study arrived at the $7.7 billion figure.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/19_56_5812_5_04.txt

This is based on 1994 numbers, and I’m sure the numbers are MUCH higher now.

These kids are more likely to get free breakfast and lunch, and low income schools also qualify for more resources like nurses, psychologists, resource teachers, additional administrators, free supplies and materials, etc. The per-pupil costs are generally much more expensive than legal residents.

Schools and prisons and healthcare and welfare…

We can’t fix the problem if nobody is willing to correctly define the problem. That is political suicide…so we will continue down this path until we bankrupt the state, IMHO.

[Eugene]

Illegal immigration is easy to criticize. I will be the first to agree that CA should bill Washington for all services, be it healthcare, education, etc, provided to illegal immigrants and their children.

However, if you get fixated on illegals, you will miss another important point – for each illegal immigrant you have one foreign-born legal immigrant from a Spanish-speaking country, and two Spanish-speaking people born this side of the border. They look like illegals, they talk like illegals, but they are as American as apple pie and there’s no legal justification to withhold any benefits from them. In fact, illegal immigrants are less likely to have children than bona fide transplants. Your article estimates 1 million children of illegals in CA K-12 system. Total hispanic enrollment in K-12 is over 3 million. Two thirds of these 3 million enter the system without sufficient knowledge of spoken English.

The correct definition of the problem is that a considerable part of population of California is low-income, uninsured, and uneducated. This problem is not solved by deporting all illegals.

[Eugene]

Illegal immigration is easy to criticize. I will be the first to agree that CA should bill Washington for all services, be it healthcare, education, etc, provided to illegal immigrants and their children.

However, if you get fixated on illegals, you will miss another important point – for each illegal immigrant you have one foreign-born legal immigrant from a Spanish-speaking country, and two Spanish-speaking people born this side of the border. They look like illegals, they talk like illegals, but they are as American as apple pie and there’s no legal justification to withhold any benefits from them. In fact, illegal immigrants are less likely to have children than bona fide transplants. Your article estimates 1 million children of illegals in CA K-12 system. Total hispanic enrollment in K-12 is over 3 million. Two thirds of these 3 million enter the system without sufficient knowledge of spoken English.

The correct definition of the problem is that a considerable part of population of California is low-income, uninsured, and uneducated. This problem is not solved by deporting all illegals.

[Eugene]

Illegal immigration is easy to criticize. I will be the first to agree that CA should bill Washington for all services, be it healthcare, education, etc, provided to illegal immigrants and their children.

However, if you get fixated on illegals, you will miss another important point – for each illegal immigrant you have one foreign-born legal immigrant from a Spanish-speaking country, and two Spanish-speaking people born this side of the border. They look like illegals, they talk like illegals, but they are as American as apple pie and there’s no legal justification to withhold any benefits from them. In fact, illegal immigrants are less likely to have children than bona fide transplants. Your article estimates 1 million children of illegals in CA K-12 system. Total hispanic enrollment in K-12 is over 3 million. Two thirds of these 3 million enter the system without sufficient knowledge of spoken English.

The correct definition of the problem is that a considerable part of population of California is low-income, uninsured, and uneducated. This problem is not solved by deporting all illegals.

[Eugene]

Illegal immigration is easy to criticize. I will be the first to agree that CA should bill Washington for all services, be it healthcare, education, etc, provided to illegal immigrants and their children.

However, if you get fixated on illegals, you will miss another important point – for each illegal immigrant you have one foreign-born legal immigrant from a Spanish-speaking country, and two Spanish-speaking people born this side of the border. They look like illegals, they talk like illegals, but they are as American as apple pie and there’s no legal justification to withhold any benefits from them. In fact, illegal immigrants are less likely to have children than bona fide transplants. Your article estimates 1 million children of illegals in CA K-12 system. Total hispanic enrollment in K-12 is over 3 million. Two thirds of these 3 million enter the system without sufficient knowledge of spoken English.

The correct definition of the problem is that a considerable part of population of California is low-income, uninsured, and uneducated. This problem is not solved by deporting all illegals.

[Eugene]

Illegal immigration is easy to criticize. I will be the first to agree that CA should bill Washington for all services, be it healthcare, education, etc, provided to illegal immigrants and their children.

However, if you get fixated on illegals, you will miss another important point – for each illegal immigrant you have one foreign-born legal immigrant from a Spanish-speaking country, and two Spanish-speaking people born this side of the border. They look like illegals, they talk like illegals, but they are as American as apple pie and there’s no legal justification to withhold any benefits from them. In fact, illegal immigrants are less likely to have children than bona fide transplants. Your article estimates 1 million children of illegals in CA K-12 system. Total hispanic enrollment in K-12 is over 3 million. Two thirds of these 3 million enter the system without sufficient knowledge of spoken English.

The correct definition of the problem is that a considerable part of population of California is low-income, uninsured, and uneducated. This problem is not solved by deporting all illegals.

[fun4vnay2]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy][quote=Eugene][quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]
Not L.A. city, I know line men working for LADWP making over 150K a year, same for fire men and police.

[/quote]

SDPD pays its officers 50-75K/year before overtime and benefits. And you have to be there a long time to qualify for the higher end of the range. If officers work overtime, it’s only fair that they would be paid more. You work double time, you get double salary.

https://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol/currjob/control?view=OpenJobListing&job_category_cd=Safety+Srv

Also, that is not directly relevant to the discussion, because fire & police officers are paid from city and county budgets, not from the state budget. CHP officers may be paid from the state budget, but I’m not 100% sure of that either.[/quote]

So show me a software engineer not working 50-60 hours a week and I would say that is a lucky engineer. (if not just a temporary employee if you know what I mean)[/quote]

Good point and I agree cent percent. This is in general true for all knowledge based industry
I work for a big local telecom wireless company and everyone works atleast 50 hours a week

[fun4vnay2]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy][quote=Eugene][quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]
Not L.A. city, I know line men working for LADWP making over 150K a year, same for fire men and police.

[/quote]

SDPD pays its officers 50-75K/year before overtime and benefits. And you have to be there a long time to qualify for the higher end of the range. If officers work overtime, it’s only fair that they would be paid more. You work double time, you get double salary.

https://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol/currjob/control?view=OpenJobListing&job_category_cd=Safety+Srv

Also, that is not directly relevant to the discussion, because fire & police officers are paid from city and county budgets, not from the state budget. CHP officers may be paid from the state budget, but I’m not 100% sure of that either.[/quote]

So show me a software engineer not working 50-60 hours a week and I would say that is a lucky engineer. (if not just a temporary employee if you know what I mean)[/quote]

Good point and I agree cent percent. This is in general true for all knowledge based industry
I work for a big local telecom wireless company and everyone works atleast 50 hours a week

[fun4vnay2]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy][quote=Eugene][quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]
Not L.A. city, I know line men working for LADWP making over 150K a year, same for fire men and police.

[/quote]

SDPD pays its officers 50-75K/year before overtime and benefits. And you have to be there a long time to qualify for the higher end of the range. If officers work overtime, it’s only fair that they would be paid more. You work double time, you get double salary.

https://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol/currjob/control?view=OpenJobListing&job_category_cd=Safety+Srv

Also, that is not directly relevant to the discussion, because fire & police officers are paid from city and county budgets, not from the state budget. CHP officers may be paid from the state budget, but I’m not 100% sure of that either.[/quote]

So show me a software engineer not working 50-60 hours a week and I would say that is a lucky engineer. (if not just a temporary employee if you know what I mean)[/quote]

Good point and I agree cent percent. This is in general true for all knowledge based industry
I work for a big local telecom wireless company and everyone works atleast 50 hours a week

[fun4vnay2]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy][quote=Eugene][quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]
Not L.A. city, I know line men working for LADWP making over 150K a year, same for fire men and police.

[/quote]

SDPD pays its officers 50-75K/year before overtime and benefits. And you have to be there a long time to qualify for the higher end of the range. If officers work overtime, it’s only fair that they would be paid more. You work double time, you get double salary.

https://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol/currjob/control?view=OpenJobListing&job_category_cd=Safety+Srv

Also, that is not directly relevant to the discussion, because fire & police officers are paid from city and county budgets, not from the state budget. CHP officers may be paid from the state budget, but I’m not 100% sure of that either.[/quote]

So show me a software engineer not working 50-60 hours a week and I would say that is a lucky engineer. (if not just a temporary employee if you know what I mean)[/quote]

Good point and I agree cent percent. This is in general true for all knowledge based industry
I work for a big local telecom wireless company and everyone works atleast 50 hours a week

[fun4vnay2]

[quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy][quote=Eugene][quote=Nor-LA-SD-guy]
Not L.A. city, I know line men working for LADWP making over 150K a year, same for fire men and police.

[/quote]

SDPD pays its officers 50-75K/year before overtime and benefits. And you have to be there a long time to qualify for the higher end of the range. If officers work overtime, it’s only fair that they would be paid more. You work double time, you get double salary.

https://apps.sandiego.gov/pjaol/currjob/control?view=OpenJobListing&job_category_cd=Safety+Srv

Also, that is not directly relevant to the discussion, because fire & police officers are paid from city and county budgets, not from the state budget. CHP officers may be paid from the state budget, but I’m not 100% sure of that either.[/quote]

So show me a software engineer not working 50-60 hours a week and I would say that is a lucky engineer. (if not just a temporary employee if you know what I mean)[/quote]

Good point and I agree cent percent. This is in general true for all knowledge based industry
I work for a big local telecom wireless company and everyone works atleast 50 hours a week

[peterb]

Replace the pension system with 401K’s and hire more people. Reduces huge overhead obligations and the need for massive over-time.
Kinda like the private sector. What a concept.

[peterb]

Replace the pension system with 401K’s and hire more people. Reduces huge overhead obligations and the need for massive over-time.
Kinda like the private sector. What a concept.

[peterb]

Replace the pension system with 401K’s and hire more people. Reduces huge overhead obligations and the need for massive over-time.
Kinda like the private sector. What a concept.

[peterb]

Replace the pension system with 401K’s and hire more people. Reduces huge overhead obligations and the need for massive over-time.
Kinda like the private sector. What a concept.

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