New record at the pump: 80

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Those batteries on Prius’ are a problem. Think about the battery on your laptop. After a certain period of time, no amount of charging will do it. Same for the cars, from what I hear. Those batteries aren’t environmentally friendly – and probably not cheap either.

Corn sounds great, until you realize there’s not enough to provide/replace a fuel source for all the cars in the U.S. and would become very expensive. Not enough land to grow corn to supply it as an alternative fuel for everyone.

Crap. Did I just say not enough land on this board? Hope I don’t get lynched. They stopped making land. Better run out and buy now while you still can.

[DWCAP]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down. Wood, grass, and all the other stuff you hear about being the next big thing dont have these artibutes. Cane Sugar is even more energy dense and easily fermented, but we dont have the climate here in the USA for enough of it. They maybe could grow enough in Hawaii to take care of their needs, but other than that we will need to import it.
Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

[DWCAP]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down. Wood, grass, and all the other stuff you hear about being the next big thing dont have these artibutes. Cane Sugar is even more energy dense and easily fermented, but we dont have the climate here in the USA for enough of it. They maybe could grow enough in Hawaii to take care of their needs, but other than that we will need to import it.
Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

[DWCAP]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down. Wood, grass, and all the other stuff you hear about being the next big thing dont have these artibutes. Cane Sugar is even more energy dense and easily fermented, but we dont have the climate here in the USA for enough of it. They maybe could grow enough in Hawaii to take care of their needs, but other than that we will need to import it.
Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

[DWCAP]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down. Wood, grass, and all the other stuff you hear about being the next big thing dont have these artibutes. Cane Sugar is even more energy dense and easily fermented, but we dont have the climate here in the USA for enough of it. They maybe could grow enough in Hawaii to take care of their needs, but other than that we will need to import it.
Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

[DWCAP]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down. Wood, grass, and all the other stuff you hear about being the next big thing dont have these artibutes. Cane Sugar is even more energy dense and easily fermented, but we dont have the climate here in the USA for enough of it. They maybe could grow enough in Hawaii to take care of their needs, but other than that we will need to import it.
Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

[Eugene]

Why do we have to use food crops? I thought you could make alcohol out of pretty much anything that would ferment including wood(saw dust) and corn STALKS, you just can’t drink it. Not that I would try, LOL! I might use it in my car though.

We don’t possess the technology to make alcohol out of sawdust and corn stalks anywhere near as efficiently. Two most promising areas of research are algae and switchgrass, but we’re not there yet.

[Eugene]

Why do we have to use food crops? I thought you could make alcohol out of pretty much anything that would ferment including wood(saw dust) and corn STALKS, you just can’t drink it. Not that I would try, LOL! I might use it in my car though.

We don’t possess the technology to make alcohol out of sawdust and corn stalks anywhere near as efficiently. Two most promising areas of research are algae and switchgrass, but we’re not there yet.

[Eugene]

Why do we have to use food crops? I thought you could make alcohol out of pretty much anything that would ferment including wood(saw dust) and corn STALKS, you just can’t drink it. Not that I would try, LOL! I might use it in my car though.

We don’t possess the technology to make alcohol out of sawdust and corn stalks anywhere near as efficiently. Two most promising areas of research are algae and switchgrass, but we’re not there yet.

[Eugene]

Why do we have to use food crops? I thought you could make alcohol out of pretty much anything that would ferment including wood(saw dust) and corn STALKS, you just can’t drink it. Not that I would try, LOL! I might use it in my car though.

We don’t possess the technology to make alcohol out of sawdust and corn stalks anywhere near as efficiently. Two most promising areas of research are algae and switchgrass, but we’re not there yet.

[Eugene]

Why do we have to use food crops? I thought you could make alcohol out of pretty much anything that would ferment including wood(saw dust) and corn STALKS, you just can’t drink it. Not that I would try, LOL! I might use it in my car though.

We don’t possess the technology to make alcohol out of sawdust and corn stalks anywhere near as efficiently. Two most promising areas of research are algae and switchgrass, but we’re not there yet.

[Eugene]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down.

I wouldn’t say that we have a ton of it. Not at the scale we need to replace oil with ethanol. It takes 450 pounds of corn to produce the ethanol to fill one SUV tank. That’s enough corn to feed one person for a year. I’m sure you know that.

Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

Not true.

http://www.calcars.org/howtoget.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prius#Future_of_the_Prius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_Motors

You can buy a Prius and modify it to run 40 miles a day on grid electricity for ~30k out of pocket It does not make much financial sense (not as much as buying a used econobox like Toyota Corolla) but you can cut your gas bill today.

Those batteries on Prius’ are a problem. Think about the battery on your laptop. After a certain period of time, no amount of charging will do it. Same for the cars, from what I hear. Those batteries aren’t environmentally friendly – and probably not cheap either.

Prius NiMH batteries cost ~$700/kWh and last for around 10,000 charge/discharge cycles (depends on the mode of operation). They can be recycled.

[Eugene]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down.

I wouldn’t say that we have a ton of it. Not at the scale we need to replace oil with ethanol. It takes 450 pounds of corn to produce the ethanol to fill one SUV tank. That’s enough corn to feed one person for a year. I’m sure you know that.

Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

Not true.

http://www.calcars.org/howtoget.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prius#Future_of_the_Prius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_Motors

You can buy a Prius and modify it to run 40 miles a day on grid electricity for ~30k out of pocket It does not make much financial sense (not as much as buying a used econobox like Toyota Corolla) but you can cut your gas bill today.

Those batteries on Prius’ are a problem. Think about the battery on your laptop. After a certain period of time, no amount of charging will do it. Same for the cars, from what I hear. Those batteries aren’t environmentally friendly – and probably not cheap either.

Prius NiMH batteries cost ~$700/kWh and last for around 10,000 charge/discharge cycles (depends on the mode of operation). They can be recycled.

[Eugene]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down.

I wouldn’t say that we have a ton of it. Not at the scale we need to replace oil with ethanol. It takes 450 pounds of corn to produce the ethanol to fill one SUV tank. That’s enough corn to feed one person for a year. I’m sure you know that.

Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

Not true.

http://www.calcars.org/howtoget.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prius#Future_of_the_Prius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_Motors

You can buy a Prius and modify it to run 40 miles a day on grid electricity for ~30k out of pocket It does not make much financial sense (not as much as buying a used econobox like Toyota Corolla) but you can cut your gas bill today.

Those batteries on Prius’ are a problem. Think about the battery on your laptop. After a certain period of time, no amount of charging will do it. Same for the cars, from what I hear. Those batteries aren’t environmentally friendly – and probably not cheap either.

Prius NiMH batteries cost ~$700/kWh and last for around 10,000 charge/discharge cycles (depends on the mode of operation). They can be recycled.

[Eugene]

We ferment corn for the same reason u eat it. It is quick and cheap to grow, we have a ton of it, and the sugars in it are easily broken down.

I wouldn’t say that we have a ton of it. Not at the scale we need to replace oil with ethanol. It takes 450 pounds of corn to produce the ethanol to fill one SUV tank. That’s enough corn to feed one person for a year. I’m sure you know that.

Everything other than corn, sugar, or the equilivants (wheat, sugar beets, etc) is years and years away from being ready to cut your gas bill.

Not true.

http://www.calcars.org/howtoget.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prius#Future_of_the_Prius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_Motors

You can buy a Prius and modify it to run 40 miles a day on grid electricity for ~30k out of pocket It does not make much financial sense (not as much as buying a used econobox like Toyota Corolla) but you can cut your gas bill today.

Those batteries on Prius’ are a problem. Think about the battery on your laptop. After a certain period of time, no amount of charging will do it. Same for the cars, from what I hear. Those batteries aren’t environmentally friendly – and probably not cheap either.

Prius NiMH batteries cost ~$700/kWh and last for around 10,000 charge/discharge cycles (depends on the mode of operation). They can be recycled.

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