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June 22, 2017 at 10:02 AM #22369June 22, 2017 at 10:05 AM #806972
(former)FormerSanDiegan
ParticipantThese articles don’t take into account the shadow construction going on.
June 22, 2017 at 11:01 AM #806973gzz
ParticipantWhat is that? Unpermitted garage conversations?
Looks like the biggest new construction development is Otay Ranch, which is a great location for commuting to Tecate, Mexico.
June 22, 2017 at 12:21 PM #806974Participant[quote=gzz]What is that? Unpermitted garage conversations?
Looks like the biggest new construction development is Otay Ranch, which is a great location for commuting to Tecate, Mexico.[/quote]
Sorry should have been more explicit… I should have written as follows:
.sarcasm ON. These articles don’t take into account the shadow construction going on. .sarcasm-OFF.
June 22, 2017 at 7:39 PM #806975SK in CV
Participant[quote=FormerSanDiegan]These articles don’t take into account the shadow construction going on.[/quote]
LOL!
June 26, 2017 at 3:22 PM #806993NotCranky
ParticipantI heard on the the radio that the City of San Diego is trying to organize looser regulations on building granny flats in urban back yards. Removing parking space requirements was part of it. There was also talk of lowering permit and processing fees, water meter fees, and maybe some other things I don’t recall.
June 27, 2017 at 9:13 AM #806996ParticipantThere is now a pro-granny-flat state law, a green building density bonus, a low income density bonus, and plans by the city council to reduce regs that will take 3-5 years if it ever passes.
None of these will even come close to making up for the fact that there is no longer any large tracts of developable land unless you go way up to Vista/Valley Center or down to Otay.
The number of single family houses in San Diego and inner suburbs will only decline even as our population and economy grows.
June 27, 2017 at 10:35 AM #806998The-Shoveler
ParticipantI think SD will follow LA where most New Development and business/Jobs were moved to the outer burbs over the last 30 years.
There are actually very few businesses/Jobs downtown.
June 27, 2017 at 11:37 AM #806999FlyerInHi
GuestIt’s SB1069 to allow people to build more granny flats. San Diego is updating the local regs to comply. But it is not enough. The inventory won’t appear overnight
I don’t see how single family inventory will decrease unless we upzone lots to multi family.
For a big city to have flat sprawl is so ridiculous. We need mega development and public transport to match. shopping malls should be allowed to build highrise towers above the stores.
June 27, 2017 at 12:24 PM #807000bewildering
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For a big city to have flat sprawl is so ridiculous. We need mega development and public transport to match. shopping malls should be allowed to build highrise towers above the stores.[/quote]No one wants to use public transportation. Take Bay Park. They are proposing building 90-foot apartment/condo complexes near the new trolley stops in South Bay Park/Linda Vista (where Jeromes is located). The majority of people will not use the trolley. They will instead use their cars on Morena Blvd, the 5 and the 8, and add to the congestion.
June 27, 2017 at 1:40 PM #807002GuestBecause public transport is slow and inneficient and cannot improve until we have density. It’s a chicken and egg issue. But the longer we delay, the more we will fall behind economically relative to other countries. Just wait another 50 years and see what I mean.
In the meantime, enjoy your nimbism and your gardenstyle urbanism.
June 27, 2017 at 3:18 PM #807003Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Because public transport is slow and inneficient and cannot improve until we have density. It’s a chicken and egg issue. But the longer we delay, the more we will fall behind economically relative to other countries. Just wait another 50 years and see what I mean.
In the meantime, enjoy your nimbism and your gardenstyle urbanism.[/quote]
I lived in England. There is plenty of density and public transport is still slow, inefficient and expensive. I have never experienced the ‘good’ public transportation that people talk about. Not in the USA, not in the UK, not in Ireland, not in Australia. What is your example of great public transportation? All I see is people having to use public transportation and suffering.
June 27, 2017 at 3:23 PM #807004ParticipantIf someone buys a condo accross the street from the trolley, they probably intend to ride it. It might be mostly UCSD people since the area is cheaper than campus and will be a quick ride away. There should be 10 storey apartments outside of every trolley stop.
June 27, 2017 at 3:41 PM #807005ParticipantI have to agree somewhat with bewildering, The only place where I found public transplantation cheaper than driving was in Asia, But that was likely because it was very heavily subsidized.
I hate being limited to what you can carry on the train, and waiting 30 minutes or more for the next train, then you end up walking half a mile to your destination.
PITA IMOI like personal vehicles.
Plus if it is very cold or hot or raining just adds to the misery of PT.
Self driving cars would help however, I still would want to own my own.
June 27, 2017 at 4:20 PM #807006Guest[quote=The-Shoveler]The only place where I found public transplantation cheaper than driving was in Asia, But that was likely because it was very heavily subsidized.
[/quote]There you go. Is it any surprise that Asia is catching up to us very fast? look at their urban development.
Right now, public transport in USA means suffering because of delays, unreliable schedules and not being able to go where you wish.
China already has a second generation high speed train between Beijing and Shanghai. Those train companies are now sized on the order of Boeing in jobs and potential exports.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/peoplesdaily/article-4639382/China-launches-self-developed-bullet-train-Fuxing.html
For context, China’s first HSR went into service in 2006, a mere 2 years before the financial crisis. Now they have the best service in the world.We dilly dally at our own risk.
America used to embrace tech, but now we seem to just to want single family houses and SUVs. That won’t sustain us in the long run.
Today, NYC had a derailment that injured people and forced commuters to walk in rat infested tunnels. 1920s tech to support 10% of America’s GDP. We should be proud, the country that built Grand Central station, the Golden Gate Bridge, Hoover Dam, last century.
like i said, wait 50 years, and those of you still alive who oppose development now and only want quaint garden style suburbia, within a 30 min drive to Costco, will watch the world and say “what have we done? what opportunities do our kids have?”.
With home delivery and retail slowly dying, there will be nothing in those suburban communities.
My prediction is that, in the future, high paying professional jobs won’t be in business parks surrounded by houses, but in dense urban city centres. As it is now, the top tier people want to be in top tier cities, which explains the cost of housing in those areas.
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