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October 16, 2015 at 6:25 PM #21729October 16, 2015 at 6:33 PM #790311
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ParticipantYou’ve been watching too much Fox “News.”
And unskeptically reading too many RWNJ facebook posts.
And listening to too much Rush Limbaugh.Etc.
October 16, 2015 at 6:35 PM #790313
CoronitaParticipant[quote=zk]You’ve been watching too much Fox “News.”
And unskeptically reading too many RWNJ facebook posts.
And listening to too much Rush Limbaugh.Etc.[/quote]
Dont forget. Blame the chinese homebuyers as the root cause of unaffordable housing.
October 16, 2015 at 6:41 PM #790314Participantkcal09, you say that this was in a local blog. Do you think that everything in that post is true? Or do you at least think that the post is, in general, pretty much the truth? If not, why are you posting it?
October 16, 2015 at 7:08 PM #790315spdrun
ParticipantPerfectly legal? Wouldn’t (11) and (13) be fraud?
If guy isn’t working, wouldn’t he have trouble qualifying for a loan since DTI ratios are enforced?
As far as Obamacare, they might get on Medicaid, which barely qualifies as insurance.
October 16, 2015 at 7:52 PM #790318FlyerInHi
Guesti think that dads get their wages garnished for child support. Bearishgurl should chime in on this topic. Maybe she knows.
Can you give birth and not list the father? I doubt a woman would not identify the father of her child if only to have him by the balls.
October 16, 2015 at 8:11 PM #790320Participant… unless it’s part of a hypothetical scam.
October 17, 2015 at 9:19 AM #790343paramount
ParticipantPlease remove this post, I can’t afford to support anymore baby mamas/daddy’s.
I have my own family to support!
October 17, 2015 at 9:49 AM #790346ParticipantAs long as bad behavior is rewarded, it will continue.
October 17, 2015 at 9:56 AM #790347ParticipantDoes anyone actually take this crap seriously?
October 18, 2015 at 9:02 PM #790419
barnaby33ParticipantI do! I’ve been running this scam for years! Also I’m disabled and a veteran.
JoshOctober 18, 2015 at 9:11 PM #790422NotCranky
ParticipantThe whole story is obviously a fabrication. Not many people are working it that hard. But there are a lot of people doing some of it.
I know a man who was married to a blind woman who got a divorce so she could collect benefits, medical care etc. . I have been told that lots of people with teenage kids are looking at cost of college and saying that they might as well not work more, or have a second family income, because it will just make college more expensive. I am morally neutral on these two.
October 18, 2015 at 10:01 PM #790429bearishgurl
ParticipantIf this hypothetical “mom” who can successfully “work the system” is not accepting TANF, then the gubment will not try establish paternity and/or summon the dad to court to establish child support (for “aid reimbursement”). Accepting Federal food aid in the form of an EBT card (fka “food stamps”) does not trigger “aid reimbursement.” Married or unmarried parents living together can avail themselves of EBT cards, Section 8 and TANF if they are eligible.
I don’t see how the mom can be a FT student and be 100% mentally or physically disabled at the same time but perhaps the two gubment databases (Federal student aid and the SSD system) do not “talk” to each other. Her child care at school is not “free” unless she is on TANF (if she was on TANF, the kids’ dad would have already been sued for child support by the gubment). So, she (or the dad) has to pay to have any young kids watched while she is in class (unless he can watch them).
Utilities are NEVER FREE, folks! A low-income cell phone service (NOT smartphone) is $18.31 mo, I believe, and a low income landline phone is about $8.31 mo (with a .15 min charge for long-distance). Low income households get utilities (gas and elec) at a 20% discount and that is FAR from “free.” Water and sewer are mandated charges and are not discounted. It is possible that this scamming mom’s LL (the dad?) pays her water and sewer bill. She doesn’t live within 100 miles of the coast and probably not in CA at all if her Section 8 award is $900 for a 3-bdrm home and she pays nothing out of her pocket for rent!. She rents the kids’ dad’s home in KS … or if it is actually in CA, the kid’s dad bought a smallish older home in Delhi (Merced County) situated among a horsefly breeding ground outside a dusty avocado grove or same in Lodi (adjacent to the rumbling SR-99 and freight train tracks).
If the dad is actually providing her and the kids a “decent” ($350K+) 3 br home in CA for the mom and kids to live in exchange for the mom’s $900 mo section 8 award ONLY and the home should actually rent for $1900 mo, then that $1000 month savings off the market rent would be considered a monthly child support payment by the court (as would the amounts of her paid water and sewer bills if the dad wouldn’t pay them for a “market-rate” tenant). The rent difference and any water/sewer bills he is covering every month would count towards any CS awarded to the mom if she should later decide to file for child support.
This is so because the dad could rent his property to a market-rate tenant for $1900 month but instead is using it to provide shelter for his kids for $900 month. This is legal, as is renting a property from a friend or relative using a Section 8 voucher and each single parent claiming one kid on their tax returns.
And with a $21,600 income and one kid, this mom (and her one kid she is claiming) are only eligible for Medi-Cal. Her income is too low to get an “Obamacare subsidy.”
If any of ya’ll want to try this life, more power to you! I hope this theoretical “scammer mom” makes it all the way thru college (considering her “total disability status”) and is able to graduate. This mom can’t have it both ways and is basically stuck and trapped until such time as she graduates college and gets a good job in spite of her “disability” … or both kids leave home … whichever happens first.
October 18, 2015 at 10:24 PM #790431ParticipantOh, and I know people with both kinds of “low-income” phones and with the low-income landline phone, which a lot of senior citizens have, it is considered “long distance” to dial the 858 area code from a 619 home area code. Just like the “old days,” that call will trigger a .15 minute charge.
And this “scammer-mom” has no earned income (she’s ineligible for the EIC) and may not even owe any tax if she claims “single” on her tax return at her stated income. As a matter of fact, if SSD is her only income, she’s not even required to file a tax return (any Pigg correct me if I’m wrong here). So there is no reason why she would need to claim any kids. If the dad has earned income, he should claim both kids and he may be eligible for the EIC if his income is low enough. But since he bought a house, it probably isn’t but he can still benefit from claiming the kids where the mom can’t. If the mom claimed single on her tax return, she could qualify for an Obamacare subsidy on her income but if she isn’t willing or able to pay anything towards the monthly premium out-of-pocket, she is likely going to get a Silver 87 regional HMO with a very limited network or a Bronze plan where the out-of-pocket expenses are high.
She’s better off on Medi-Cal, imho.
October 18, 2015 at 11:51 PM #790435Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]i think that dads get their wages garnished for child support. Bearishgurl should chime in on this topic. Maybe she knows.
Can you give birth and not list the father? I doubt a woman would not identify the father of her child if only to have him by the balls.[/quote]
The mom can name anyone she wants on her kid’s birth certificate but if she later files for TANF (cash welfare aid), the dad she names on it is going to be sued for CS by the gubment (for “aid reimbursement”). If he knows he’s not the dad (or suspects he is not, whether currently for formerly married to the mom … or not), he can demand a paternity test. It’s pure folly for the mom to lie about the dad’s identity to her aid worker and potentially lose benefits or in the worst case, be charged with welfare fraud.
I don’t know how much (if any) cash aid is actually withheld from the mom (or limited in duration paid to the mom) if the person she named to the aid agency as her kid(s) father turned out not to be. It could have been an innocent mistake. The mom would likely have to come up with a different name for the father (and age, location and SSN if she knows it) for the agency to track down.
I don’t think applicants for cash aid can easily proffer a fake identity for their kid’s dad to their aid agency. The aid workers likely have ways of determining if the father’s identity offered to them by the applicant is that of a real person. They can do this while the applicant waits in another room.
The only exception to the non-custodial parent being immediately sued by the aid agency for CS upon an aid application being filed by the custodial parent is if the applicant (“mom” in this case) comes in to the aid office to file for benefits with her kid(s) father’s death certificate or proof that he is currently incarcerated or a patient in a long-term rehabilitation facility. In the latter two instances, the agency may wait for a period of months or years to establish child support orders for the non-custodial parent (if the kids in question are still minors at that time).
A single mom who has been trying mightily to keep her kid(s) from having any relationship with their dad(s) would be well-advised never to file for TANF cash aid. Once an assumed dad is served with CS papers by the gubment, he can immediately file for his time-share and custody share of the child(ren) whom he acknowledges are his and also file to obtain court orders to share the children with the mom thereby lessening his exposure to CS.
If the person sued for CS didn’t already know he had a child with the applicant, now he does and he is free to file to enforce all his rights to that child after paternity is established.
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