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October 14, 2011 at 10:14 AM #730667October 14, 2011 at 10:24 AM #730669
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Participant[quote=Arraya][quote=Jacarandoso]My question about the people protesting is: Where was all their do-gooding when we were bombing the hell out of Iraq? Probably hoping we would get cheaper gas and an economy, maybe a welfare state that was a bit better than what they seem to be facing.[/quote]
Well, having been to 3 occupy protests by pure happenstance I would say most of them were in Junior high when we were “bombing the hell out of Iraq” while the others were probably in one of the many uncovered war protests at the time.[/quote]
If we are to chalk this all up to youth I guess that fits with your poetic call for a new non capitalist pollyanna world that you posted earlier too? Don’t get me wrong, I really liked it,but these kids will grow out of it. Give em a few bandaids and most of them will jump right back into the dog eat dog fight.
October 14, 2011 at 10:29 AM #730670Anonymous
Guest[quote=Jacarandoso]What exactly is wrong with class warfare FLU? Why should the rich guys go unchecked in their own campaign against the rest of America and the world.
My question about the people protesting is: Where was all their do-gooding when we were bombing the hell out of Iraq? Probably hoping we would get cheaper gas and an economy, maybe a welfare state that was a bit better than what they seem to be facing.[/quote]
Learn how to use the google:
October 14, 2011 at 10:42 AM #730671Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Jacarandoso]What exactly is wrong with class warfare FLU? Why should the rich guys go unchecked in their own campaign against the rest of America and the world.
My question about the people protesting is: Where was all their do-gooding when we were bombing the hell out of Iraq? Probably hoping we would get cheaper gas and an economy, maybe a welfare state that was a bit better than what they seem to be facing.[/quote]
Learn how to use the google:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War%5B/quote%5D
O.K. I read it. It matches reality. Around the world prewar protests were stronger. Here, not so much until it was realized it was a “mistake”. Most may have been against the war, but they didn’t make too big of a street level stink about it here, until after it was clear there were not many benefits and lots of costs.
October 14, 2011 at 10:59 AM #730674Arraya
Participant[quote=Jacarandoso][quote=Arraya][quote=Jacarandoso]My question about the people protesting is: Where was all their do-gooding when we were bombing the hell out of Iraq? Probably hoping we would get cheaper gas and an economy, maybe a welfare state that was a bit better than what they seem to be facing.[/quote]
Well, having been to 3 occupy protests by pure happenstance I would say most of them were in Junior high when we were “bombing the hell out of Iraq” while the others were probably in one of the many uncovered war protests at the time.[/quote]
If we are to chalk this all up to youth I guess that fits with your poetic call for a new non capitalist pollyanna world that you posted earlier too? Don’t get me wrong, I really liked it,but these kids will grow out of it. Give em a few bandaids and most of them will jump right back into the dog eat dog fight.[/quote]
Maybe, maybe not – the metanarrative is changing due to our scientific understanding of self and our place in the world.
The forces of old and evil are up against the wall again and this time the economic structural crisis is to severe to ever have a “recovery” that sustains. So people will keep getting kicked out of the system(at least in the west) until it alienates the majority of the population.
Granted, the future is fragile and human behavior can go to dark places. But if I don’t put on my idealist hat I turn into a nihilistic fatalist. So, I really don’t have a choice.
October 14, 2011 at 11:42 AM #730679jpinpb
Participant[quote=flu]Seems to me, americans are doing just fine…
Retail sales rose strongly in September on autos
Retail sales increased 1.1 pct. in September, largest gain in 7 months led by auto salesJust a reminder that people are still living in their homes and not paying. Talked to my realtor friend living in his house in PB the other day. Officially 24 months of not paying a dime. Still no NOD or foreclosure. He’s had a little extra money every month for the past 2 years.
October 14, 2011 at 11:43 AM #730680Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’ll be in Maui. Let me know how it all turns out.[/quote]
Are you moving to Maui? Otherwise, I’ll go out on a limb and say they’ll still be around when you get back.
October 14, 2011 at 11:55 AM #730681bearishgurl
Participant[quote=jpinpb]Just a reminder that people are still living in their homes and not paying. Talked to my realtor friend living in his house in PB the other day. Officially 24 months of not paying a dime. Still no NOD or foreclosure. He’s had a little extra money every month for the past 2 years.[/quote]
Lol, jp … it seems your “realtor friend,” hasn’t been doing too well professionally lately. Or is this a “strategic default?” Hopefully, he’s saving something for a “rainy day” because I DO believe lenders are (or will be soon, if they haven’t begun already) lining up for the “CA non-judicial foreclosure train.” A very long one is ju-u-u-ust about to leave the station. Mostly with “Big Bank freight and baggage” cars on it.
I’m sure he’ll be able to “rent” (in SD [but NOT PB]) the near future with his “sterling credit” and won’t have to post a large deposit or last-months rent first, lol. Oh, well . . . not to worry. He can always move into his parent(s)’ spare back bedroom . . . that is, if they’re still around . . . :={
There’s no “free lunch” in this life . . . only delayed karma.
October 14, 2011 at 12:19 PM #730682Participant[quote=bearishgurlThere’s no “free lunch” in this life . . . only delayed karma.[/quote]
Getting something for nothing
In the distribution to the public of the products of industry, the failure of the present system is the direct result of the faulty premise upon which it is based. This is: that somehow a man is able by his personal services to render to society the equivalent of what he receives, from which it follows that the distribution to each shall be in accordance with the services rendered and that those who do not work must not eat. This is what our propagandists call ‘the impossibility of getting something for nothing.’ Aside from the fact that only by means of the sophistries of lawyers and economists can it be explained how, on this basis, those who do nothing at all frequently receive the largest shares of the national income, the simple fact is that it is impossible for any man to contribute to the social system the physical equivalent of what it costs the system to maintain him form birth till death–and the higher the physical standard of living the greater is this discrepancy. This is because man is an engine operating under the limitations of the same physical laws as any other engine. The energy that it takes to operate him is several times as much as any amount of work he can possibly perform. If, in addition to his food, he receives also the products of modern industry, this is due to the fact that material and energy resources happen to be available and, as compared with any contribution he can make, constitute a free gift from heaven. Stated more specifically, it costs the social system on the North American Continent the energy equivalent to nearly 10 tons of coal per year to maintain one man at the average present standard of living, and no contribution he can possibly make in terms of the energy conversion of his individual effort will ever repay the social system the cost of his social maintenance. Is it not to be wondered at, therefore, that a distributive mechanism based upon so rank a fallacy should fail to distribute; the marvel is that it has worked as well as it has. Since any human being, regardless of his personal contribution, is a social dependent with respect to the energy resources upon which society operates, and since every operation within a given society is effected at the cost of a degradation of an available supply of energy, this energy degradation, measured in appropriate physical units such as kilowatt-hours, constitutes the common physical cost of all social operations. Since also the energy-cost of maintaining a human being exceeds by a large amount his ability to repay, we can abandon the fiction that what one is to receive is in payment for what one has done, and recognize that what we are really doing is utilizing the bounty that nature has provided us. Under these circumstances we recognize that we all are getting something for nothing, and the simplest way of effecting distribution is on a basis of equality, especially so when it is considered that production can be set equal to the limit of our capacity
October 14, 2011 at 12:29 PM #730683scaredyclassic
ParticipantThere is no free lunch but there are Free appetizers.
October 14, 2011 at 1:11 PM #730684briansd1
GuestI’m proud to have been part of the anti-war protest, and now, the Occupy movement. Granted, I’ve never been a vociferous activist. But when I’m old and look back, I want to have been on the right side of history.
The people who were against the Civil Rights movement are probably feeling like assholes in their old age.
About blaming Rock-n-roll, that reminds me of the conservatives of the past. Of course, rock-n-roll won out so that confirms my belief that progressive ideas will win. It’s only a matter of time.
I agree with Arraya that our scientific knowledge of self is more advanced and that will eventually lead to change.
Change will however come in unpredictable ways. I believe that climate change is real and that rising sea levels will cause upheaval. When cities are underwater, the anti-science folks will be totally discredited. It’s only a matter of time.
Witness the epic flooding in Thailand:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/thailands-capital-bangkok-battles-epic-flooding/story?id=14737783I want to live a long time so that I see the changes unfold.
October 14, 2011 at 1:23 PM #730689
CoronitaParticipant[quote=jpinpb][quote=flu]Seems to me, americans are doing just fine…
Retail sales rose strongly in September on autos
Retail sales increased 1.1 pct. in September, largest gain in 7 months led by auto salesJust a reminder that people are still living in their homes and not paying. Talked to my realtor friend living in his house in PB the other day. Officially 24 months of not paying a dime. Still no NOD or foreclosure. He’s had a little extra money every month for the past 2 years.[/quote]
Free rent for 2 years+….Hmmm… So then, is is part of the 99% of the people that are “victimized” by wall street?
I see the only people who are the real victims are the ones that still have jobs/income paying the bills….
I want to start a movement. I’ll call it the “10% screwed either way financially responsible class”…the part of the population that pays for taxes up the noses so that 80% of the population gets to keep there benefits, self-entitlements, and the remaining 10% rich people and corporations can keep their tax-loopholes.October 14, 2011 at 1:25 PM #730690CoronitaParticipant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=jpinpb]Just a reminder that people are still living in their homes and not paying. Talked to my realtor friend living in his house in PB the other day. Officially 24 months of not paying a dime. Still no NOD or foreclosure. He’s had a little extra money every month for the past 2 years.[/quote]
Lol, jp … it seems your “realtor friend,” hasn’t been doing too well professionally lately. Or is this a “strategic default?” Hopefully, he’s saving something for a “rainy day” because I DO believe lenders are (or will be soon, if they haven’t begun already) lining up for the “CA non-judicial foreclosure train.” A very long one is ju-u-u-ust about to leave the station. Mostly with “Big Bank freight and baggage” cars on it.
I’m sure he’ll be able to “rent” (in SD [but NOT PB]) the near future with his “sterling credit” and won’t have to post a large deposit or last-months rent first, lol. Oh, well . . . not to worry. He can always move into his parent(s)’ spare back bedroom . . . that is, if they’re still around . . . :={
There’s no “free lunch” in this life . . . only delayed karma.[/quote]
The realtor friend might have shot credit, but his/her spouse (if he/she has one) might not….So getting rental might not be such a problem…At least that’s not what people tried to pull on me recently
October 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM #730691Guest[quote=flu]
Because there are disorganized people in this world that really do want overdraft protection, because bouncing a check is more than $10…It’s more like $25-30 return check fee, and a blackmark about writing a bad check…People can always opt-out of overdraft protection if they so choose, but it’s there because it’s a service. If people don’t want to use the service and use the terms of the service, than opt out…[/quote]Not taking about returned check fee, but credit/debit card transactions.
Banks used to routinely decline transaction over the limit. That’s until they figured they could take advantage of people. That change was not that long ago.
In my opinion, a good society protects its most vulnerable citizens. It’s unconscionable to punish people who already don’t have anything. That’s why I support Elizabeth Warren.
Interesting documentary on the credit card industry:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/October 14, 2011 at 1:48 PM #730694jstoesz
ParticipantI got zinged for that 10 years ago. Closed my account with wells fargo that month, and never looked back.
I say, it is a good lesson for people, and a cheap one at that. If you fail to learn it, well then, that is your fault.
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