MMoore movie SiCKO

[uncomfortably numb]

This health care system is dysfunctional for many, many reasons but none more fundamental than the calculated manipulation and exploitation of people’s fear of suffering and death.

This control allows the capital interests to effectively ply there wares on a public literally scared to death. How else do you think you have have half the senior population in this country drugged beyond recognition. When you see patients hand you their drug lists that contain fifteen or twenty different meds, then you begin to understand why the Pharma industry is what it is.

1984 us here my friends.

[no_such_reality]

To be frank, less McDonalds and more excersize would do a lot for controlling costs.

The VHA spends about $6000/vet. For 300 million people, that VA spending level equates to $1.8 Trillion dollars. That’s roughly our entire 2001 National budget.

[no_such_reality]

To be frank, less McDonalds and more excersize would do a lot for controlling costs.

The VHA spends about $6000/vet. For 300 million people, that VA spending level equates to $1.8 Trillion dollars. That’s roughly our entire 2001 National budget.

[what_a_disasta]

Could it be possible that vets are more likely to have serious chronic conditions that need long term care than the general population? I would have thought so, all those guys coming back with serious psychological issues, missing limbs and shrapnel or bullets wounds, not to mention being around all that toxic depleted uranium. I would have thought they would be a lot less healthy than the majority of Americans.

[what_a_disasta]

Could it be possible that vets are more likely to have serious chronic conditions that need long term care than the general population? I would have thought so, all those guys coming back with serious psychological issues, missing limbs and shrapnel or bullets wounds, not to mention being around all that toxic depleted uranium. I would have thought they would be a lot less healthy than the majority of Americans.

[Anonymous]

Sicko isn’t about Cuba.

It’s about the US.

Why can a poor Communist piece of crap do this better?

Is the US so great because of it’s health care? Or despite?

[Anonymous]

Sicko isn’t about Cuba.

It’s about the US.

Why can a poor Communist piece of crap do this better?

Is the US so great because of it’s health care? Or despite?

[Anonymous]

Given San Diego’s pension issues, has corrupt and inept as the insurance company’s may be, do you really think the Government is going to do it cheaper and better once the bureaucracy is established?

I don’t want to hear about the money could come from the war and be better spent, that’s non-issue, I’d consider that a given. However, that money barely scratches the surface. My question is, will you step up to the hard decisions or just pretend government healthcare is an endless mana from heaven.

It isn’t endless mana from heaven by any means but empirical evidence from nations which have lower GDP per capita than the US does shows marked improvement and satisfaction. France in particular has good health care, with superb doctors and isn’t at all technologically backwards. And all those same issues come up there too.

In the current system the decisions get made in a worse fashion: “what’s better for short term profit of insurance companies.” You see, they find it more profitable to deny things which could have long term benefits—because they might be able to kick the people off the plans first, and make it Somebody Else’s Problem.
Insurance system now has people who are actively vexatious in thwarting good health care (as well as actually liking overall inflation as it means more dollars flowing through the system), as opposed to a merely uncaring and plodding bureaucracy typical of government.

Taiwan, just jumped to a single payer system in the mid 90’s. They’re not a pathetic socialist country either. Japan has a national system too. It’s not just Europe.

The empirical facts are obvious that health works differently from most other businesses. It’s the reality of the world. The general supremacy of capitalism over communism is not catechism but a testable emprirical phenomenon, and we ought to judge the value of the ideology by the observed results.

Why do people get socialized medicine when they turn 65?

What’s so special about them that they deserve it?

If you told them, “we’re canceling medicare and everybody’s going to private insurance”, how many (especially Republican voters) would say “that’s a great idea, I can’t wait to have less expensive better medicine system, and get out of that terrible socialist POS”. I’d bet about three.

How many would howl with rage?

[Anonymous]

Given San Diego’s pension issues, has corrupt and inept as the insurance company’s may be, do you really think the Government is going to do it cheaper and better once the bureaucracy is established?

I don’t want to hear about the money could come from the war and be better spent, that’s non-issue, I’d consider that a given. However, that money barely scratches the surface. My question is, will you step up to the hard decisions or just pretend government healthcare is an endless mana from heaven.

It isn’t endless mana from heaven by any means but empirical evidence from nations which have lower GDP per capita than the US does shows marked improvement and satisfaction. France in particular has good health care, with superb doctors and isn’t at all technologically backwards. And all those same issues come up there too.

In the current system the decisions get made in a worse fashion: “what’s better for short term profit of insurance companies.” You see, they find it more profitable to deny things which could have long term benefits—because they might be able to kick the people off the plans first, and make it Somebody Else’s Problem.
Insurance system now has people who are actively vexatious in thwarting good health care (as well as actually liking overall inflation as it means more dollars flowing through the system), as opposed to a merely uncaring and plodding bureaucracy typical of government.

Taiwan, just jumped to a single payer system in the mid 90’s. They’re not a pathetic socialist country either. Japan has a national system too. It’s not just Europe.

The empirical facts are obvious that health works differently from most other businesses. It’s the reality of the world. The general supremacy of capitalism over communism is not catechism but a testable emprirical phenomenon, and we ought to judge the value of the ideology by the observed results.

Why do people get socialized medicine when they turn 65?

What’s so special about them that they deserve it?

If you told them, “we’re canceling medicare and everybody’s going to private insurance”, how many (especially Republican voters) would say “that’s a great idea, I can’t wait to have less expensive better medicine system, and get out of that terrible socialist POS”. I’d bet about three.

How many would howl with rage?

[meadandale]

“My question is, will you step up to the hard decisions or just pretend government healthcare is an endless mana from heaven.”

Hit the nail on the head.

All the people for socialized medicine fail to appreciate that any US government run healthcare system will still have a ‘gatekeeper’ that will have the same job as any HMO, namely to grant or deny coverage.

All those who think that we need in home diaper and laundry service like france for new mothers and are willing to pay a 40% tax rate to get it raise your hands…

Another thing that MM fails to mention is how many British and Canadian citizens end up buying private health care so they don’t have to wait 6 months or more to get treatment.

Yeah, socialized medicine is great. People who don’t or won’t work want medical care for themselves and the children they can’t afford to raise. I suppose we should buy them all houses as well?

[meadandale]

“My question is, will you step up to the hard decisions or just pretend government healthcare is an endless mana from heaven.”

Hit the nail on the head.

All the people for socialized medicine fail to appreciate that any US government run healthcare system will still have a ‘gatekeeper’ that will have the same job as any HMO, namely to grant or deny coverage.

All those who think that we need in home diaper and laundry service like france for new mothers and are willing to pay a 40% tax rate to get it raise your hands…

Another thing that MM fails to mention is how many British and Canadian citizens end up buying private health care so they don’t have to wait 6 months or more to get treatment.

Yeah, socialized medicine is great. People who don’t or won’t work want medical care for themselves and the children they can’t afford to raise. I suppose we should buy them all houses as well?

[SDowner]

Socialization is obviously not the solution, but neither is the current system of “managed” healthcare without any other guidelines other than profit margins. Have you ever been on the phone with an insurance company/doctor’s office/medical lab after they have denied some life-saving medical tests on a technicality, which was their mistake in the first place?

[SDowner]

Socialization is obviously not the solution, but neither is the current system of “managed” healthcare without any other guidelines other than profit margins. Have you ever been on the phone with an insurance company/doctor’s office/medical lab after they have denied some life-saving medical tests on a technicality, which was their mistake in the first place?

[Borat]

These boards are a total waste of time. No one will ever change their mind because of anything you write here. Give it up. Stop. Go outside and talk to people. Vote. See the movie and decide for yourself.

[Borat]

These boards are a total waste of time. No one will ever change their mind because of anything you write here. Give it up. Stop. Go outside and talk to people. Vote. See the movie and decide for yourself.

[Author]

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