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June 4, 2007 at 5:18 AM #56347June 4, 2007 at 8:15 AM #56334
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GuestYes, lk, it happens.
A good friend of mine told me a chilling story. His grandparents awoke to a find a foundling on their doorstep. They adopted the son and raised him as their own. The grandparents were good folks — he was a mechanical engineering professor in the Upper Midwest. The adopted son and their natural son were raised in a similar fashion, but were truly different: the adopted son was gregarious, athletic, the natural son was reserved and thoughtful.
On his death bed, the adopted son admitted to having killed three of three of his wives and a son; the deaths were suspicious — fire, falling in the Grand Canyon, etc.
No, nature is a very powerful force. Yes, some people are born evil.
June 4, 2007 at 8:15 AM #56357GuestYes, lk, it happens.
A good friend of mine told me a chilling story. His grandparents awoke to a find a foundling on their doorstep. They adopted the son and raised him as their own. The grandparents were good folks — he was a mechanical engineering professor in the Upper Midwest. The adopted son and their natural son were raised in a similar fashion, but were truly different: the adopted son was gregarious, athletic, the natural son was reserved and thoughtful.
On his death bed, the adopted son admitted to having killed three of three of his wives and a son; the deaths were suspicious — fire, falling in the Grand Canyon, etc.
No, nature is a very powerful force. Yes, some people are born evil.
June 4, 2007 at 11:54 AM #56394NotCranky
ParticipantLostkitty,
Thank you,your kind words mean a lot to me.Just for laughs:
A compiliation of the most intense feedback for me so far on this blog goes like this…
Irreverent, bi-polar, philosopher,god!
I can appreciate them all, more or less!Now I must stroll around the campus in my sandals and robe and devour a few tons of figs. Then beat up my neighbor for looking at me the wrong way. After that take all my belongings to charity before I sneak into JG’s church and replace all the Bibles with Thomas Paine’s “The Age of Reason”.
Best wishes.
June 4, 2007 at 11:54 AM #56416ParticipantLostkitty,
Thank you,your kind words mean a lot to me.Just for laughs:
A compiliation of the most intense feedback for me so far on this blog goes like this…
Irreverent, bi-polar, philosopher,god!
I can appreciate them all, more or less!Now I must stroll around the campus in my sandals and robe and devour a few tons of figs. Then beat up my neighbor for looking at me the wrong way. After that take all my belongings to charity before I sneak into JG’s church and replace all the Bibles with Thomas Paine’s “The Age of Reason”.
Best wishes.
June 4, 2007 at 12:11 PM #56415(former)FormerSanDiegan
ParticipantIf the Andrew Cunanan example implies that religious schools produce sociopaths, then here’s one that illustrates that Harvard may be even more effective at it …
Ted Kaczynski was Harvard educated. As a child he attended public school and was promoted past a couple grades (once in elementary and once in high school).What a great thread …
from the May show dropping …
to private vs public education …
to religion …
to molestation …
to sociopaths.This one has it all.
June 4, 2007 at 12:11 PM #56436ParticipantIf the Andrew Cunanan example implies that religious schools produce sociopaths, then here’s one that illustrates that Harvard may be even more effective at it …
Ted Kaczynski was Harvard educated. As a child he attended public school and was promoted past a couple grades (once in elementary and once in high school).What a great thread …
from the May show dropping …
to private vs public education …
to religion …
to molestation …
to sociopaths.This one has it all.
June 4, 2007 at 12:31 PM #56430lostkitty
ParticipantDont forget
– philosophy
– Nature vs. nurtureJune 4, 2007 at 12:31 PM #56452ParticipantDont forget
– philosophy
– Nature vs. nurtureJune 4, 2007 at 1:09 PM #56446cyphire
ParticipantRustico – can I come with?
I love figs, and look sort of like David Koresh (at least before I cut my hair). I’m sure that I could start a cult and get lots of followers (girls). I guess we just have to decide what kind of cult we want to start – make everyone drink the kool-aid someday, or just sell flowers at the airport. I’m more in favor of the ‘have everyone sit in a room while I preach cult’ – give me their money so I can have a nice house / robes/ investments and blindly obey me.
Despite seeing the ‘Bad Seed’ when I was a kid – I would think that anyone within 2 standard deviations of the norm would probably be 100% finally influenced by the people around them. It’s kind of funny that I had great parents who gave me great lessons in life (without religion) and I turned out ok, but folks who also get a good foundation (with religion) seem to think that that is what did the trick. I’ve got two great kids who care for others, are sensitive, and are all around great kids – we do this without religion (actually by explaining to them our distrust and dislike of religion) – to help them evolve to the kind of people I would love to see in our society.
If religion gives people who have had bad times something to cling to – I understand. If people like the traditions and the social network – also seems to be a nice thing (if they can avoid being insular and tolerant of others). But, the belief in something which has no foundation or anchor in reality seems to always cause problems, grief and a huge amount of time wasting to the rest of society.
p.s. I’ve never really understood how 5 billion people can each belong to a different cult or splinter of the same cult – each absolutely convinced that they are in the right one (the other cults are such idiots aren’t they?) and most of them feeling that they hold the moral high ground while every day we see it’s not so. This isn’t the lessons we should be teaching to young impressionable minds.
June 4, 2007 at 1:09 PM #56469ParticipantRustico – can I come with?
I love figs, and look sort of like David Koresh (at least before I cut my hair). I’m sure that I could start a cult and get lots of followers (girls). I guess we just have to decide what kind of cult we want to start – make everyone drink the kool-aid someday, or just sell flowers at the airport. I’m more in favor of the ‘have everyone sit in a room while I preach cult’ – give me their money so I can have a nice house / robes/ investments and blindly obey me.
Despite seeing the ‘Bad Seed’ when I was a kid – I would think that anyone within 2 standard deviations of the norm would probably be 100% finally influenced by the people around them. It’s kind of funny that I had great parents who gave me great lessons in life (without religion) and I turned out ok, but folks who also get a good foundation (with religion) seem to think that that is what did the trick. I’ve got two great kids who care for others, are sensitive, and are all around great kids – we do this without religion (actually by explaining to them our distrust and dislike of religion) – to help them evolve to the kind of people I would love to see in our society.
If religion gives people who have had bad times something to cling to – I understand. If people like the traditions and the social network – also seems to be a nice thing (if they can avoid being insular and tolerant of others). But, the belief in something which has no foundation or anchor in reality seems to always cause problems, grief and a huge amount of time wasting to the rest of society.
p.s. I’ve never really understood how 5 billion people can each belong to a different cult or splinter of the same cult – each absolutely convinced that they are in the right one (the other cults are such idiots aren’t they?) and most of them feeling that they hold the moral high ground while every day we see it’s not so. This isn’t the lessons we should be teaching to young impressionable minds.
June 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM #56458ParticipantI hear you CY,
Don’t get me going on religion. My irreverent streak will take us places you don’t want to go!
For the mean time I am being the best ecumenical deist I can be for the sake of my loved ones.
By the way you were raised way differently than I was and yet we both came to the same soulless ruin..imagine that!If I were to use a psuedonym other than Rustico, which means
“unrefined or lacking in excess of labor”, it would be Malcom X and I am a 6’5″ blue-eyed devil!What does your’s mean?
June 4, 2007 at 1:43 PM #56481ParticipantI hear you CY,
Don’t get me going on religion. My irreverent streak will take us places you don’t want to go!
For the mean time I am being the best ecumenical deist I can be for the sake of my loved ones.
By the way you were raised way differently than I was and yet we both came to the same soulless ruin..imagine that!If I were to use a psuedonym other than Rustico, which means
“unrefined or lacking in excess of labor”, it would be Malcom X and I am a 6’5″ blue-eyed devil!What does your’s mean?
June 4, 2007 at 1:59 PM #56464ParticipantI’m a computer guy who has never really hacked a system or done anything outside the law – so I am pretending to be a big bad hakuir like Hiro Protagonist from the book Snowcrash. In reality I’m a mild mannered business minded entrepreneur in software/computer systems.
I really shouldn’t be ranting about religion in this forum, it’s probably not appropriate. My wife won’t let me talk religion or politics at parties – and she’s right! I’m just frustrated in a society which spends more time watching American Idol than trying to make it a better place (including myself).
By the way – I am also 6’5″… Thats pretty rare. We could be power forwards for the Piggington basketball club. (If we had lots of breaks for coffee / doughnuts / checking the real estate forums)
June 4, 2007 at 1:59 PM #56487ParticipantI’m a computer guy who has never really hacked a system or done anything outside the law – so I am pretending to be a big bad hakuir like Hiro Protagonist from the book Snowcrash. In reality I’m a mild mannered business minded entrepreneur in software/computer systems.
I really shouldn’t be ranting about religion in this forum, it’s probably not appropriate. My wife won’t let me talk religion or politics at parties – and she’s right! I’m just frustrated in a society which spends more time watching American Idol than trying to make it a better place (including myself).
By the way – I am also 6’5″… Thats pretty rare. We could be power forwards for the Piggington basketball club. (If we had lots of breaks for coffee / doughnuts / checking the real estate forums)
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