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June 1, 2007 at 4:23 PM #56016June 1, 2007 at 4:23 PM #56035
latesummer2008
ParticipantOr a realistic view of say:
Rancho Santa Fe 92067
18 sales -35.0% $467/sqftI would say the high end market is showing a wee bit of weakness. Oh, but of course, this is just an anamoly, right?
Keep drinking that Realtor Kool-Aid..
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June 1, 2007 at 4:54 PM #56024ParticipantDataQuick Numbers show Median Prices YOY in April for different areas of SD in their CA City Chart:
Carlsbad
196 sales (-13.61) $735,000 — $635,000Solana Beach
11 sales (-28.21) $975,000 — $700,000Rancho Santa Fe
18 sales (-27.89) $2,945,000 — $2,125,000This aggregate number might be a bit more reliable from DataQuick. Regardless, it appears that these 3 areas are being hit the hardest right now.
June 1, 2007 at 4:54 PM #56043ParticipantDataQuick Numbers show Median Prices YOY in April for different areas of SD in their CA City Chart:
Carlsbad
196 sales (-13.61) $735,000 — $635,000Solana Beach
11 sales (-28.21) $975,000 — $700,000Rancho Santa Fe
18 sales (-27.89) $2,945,000 — $2,125,000This aggregate number might be a bit more reliable from DataQuick. Regardless, it appears that these 3 areas are being hit the hardest right now.
June 2, 2007 at 1:01 AM #56066NotCranky
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I am not really unsympathetic to JG’s point of view on the education of children or to him for that matter. I see chance to play devil’s advocate I take it.Just throwing out observations here and there. My kids are young I am not sure what we will do. I have read some of your other post and you are in a different league financially. The debate might be different if money were not an issue.We live in Jamul and I feel that the schools should be O.K if we use them.The area is becoming less rural and more upscale suburban which only matters to me because I think upscale suburban is better for education and crime rates than rural or inner city. My wife and I are very hands on parents. I don’t like the idea of home schooling,even though we can pull it off. Forming a group of parents with various talents is an idea we have considered.Either way I take responsibility for my childs education. If they show genius they won’t be held back by me.If they are average I will do my best to help them too.I won’t put them in private schools just so we and they can mingle with the right people and all that.
I agree that the experience,from a childs perspective at many of the public schools ammounts to cruel and unusual punishment. I feel bad for the hard working, education minded kids who must attend that kind of circus.Most of the acting out kids are parenting deficient but they are very disruptive all the same.The teachers have little authority because there is often no parent who can be counted on to back them up. School administrators do not always back them up. The kids have to be in school by law.It is very expensive and a political disaster to single them out for special treatment. I agree with you that most of the teachers, however imperfect, deserve a lot of respect and help.
I don’t believe that money is the solution to all problems in education. Look at the asian immigrants who come here. What do you imagine was spent on their education in their respective countries of origin? How much does it cost to learn calculus? Wastefulness and using money as an excuse for everything , along with the trend to abdicate personal ethics and responsibility are a big part of the problem.June 2, 2007 at 1:01 AM #56085ParticipantCY
I am not really unsympathetic to JG’s point of view on the education of children or to him for that matter. I see chance to play devil’s advocate I take it.Just throwing out observations here and there. My kids are young I am not sure what we will do. I have read some of your other post and you are in a different league financially. The debate might be different if money were not an issue.We live in Jamul and I feel that the schools should be O.K if we use them.The area is becoming less rural and more upscale suburban which only matters to me because I think upscale suburban is better for education and crime rates than rural or inner city. My wife and I are very hands on parents. I don’t like the idea of home schooling,even though we can pull it off. Forming a group of parents with various talents is an idea we have considered.Either way I take responsibility for my childs education. If they show genius they won’t be held back by me.If they are average I will do my best to help them too.I won’t put them in private schools just so we and they can mingle with the right people and all that.
I agree that the experience,from a childs perspective at many of the public schools ammounts to cruel and unusual punishment. I feel bad for the hard working, education minded kids who must attend that kind of circus.Most of the acting out kids are parenting deficient but they are very disruptive all the same.The teachers have little authority because there is often no parent who can be counted on to back them up. School administrators do not always back them up. The kids have to be in school by law.It is very expensive and a political disaster to single them out for special treatment. I agree with you that most of the teachers, however imperfect, deserve a lot of respect and help.
I don’t believe that money is the solution to all problems in education. Look at the asian immigrants who come here. What do you imagine was spent on their education in their respective countries of origin? How much does it cost to learn calculus? Wastefulness and using money as an excuse for everything , along with the trend to abdicate personal ethics and responsibility are a big part of the problem.June 2, 2007 at 1:22 PM #56100cyphire
ParticipantVery well said Rustico. I actually don’t want my kids mixing with ‘the right people’ – I actually am suspect of wealthy screwed up kids. Some are good, some are morally bankrupt like their parents. I’m trying to raise good kids and still try to keep their values intact (it’s hard in LJ – which is why I was considering moving to Carmel Valley.)
Also from a public school perspective – my son is in public school right now because we moved – and while he is a bit bored and some of the kids act up, it’s a real world situation and he’s been a little too protected. The school here in LJ is actually very nice and the kids are just normal kids (most of them). It’s good for him and hopefully he gets into the private school for 7-12th for the reasons its a better education, definetely not better people!
I went to school in a middle class public school and it was both good and bad. Back then there were a lot of bullies, the teachers locked themselves in the teacher’s lounge and smoked and we had to look out for ourselves. It’s way better now – kids are taught tolerance, kindness, and bullying isn’t tolerated.
My big problem with the public school system is that it is mediocre. It doesn’t have to be. Using the money more effectively, having teachers which are far more empowered, and removing the tenure idea and make teachers hit standards of excellence (like most well run companies) – and removing the teachers unions. Teaching should be like any job and it should be pay for performance. I think as a society we should be having our best and brightest be the teachers! A great teacher can take kids and mold them – give them some of what many kids don’t get at home – an example.
Anyway thats my rant. I would love to see more quality in the public schools. If the public schools were 80% as good as the private schools – the private schools would disappear!
June 2, 2007 at 1:22 PM #56119ParticipantVery well said Rustico. I actually don’t want my kids mixing with ‘the right people’ – I actually am suspect of wealthy screwed up kids. Some are good, some are morally bankrupt like their parents. I’m trying to raise good kids and still try to keep their values intact (it’s hard in LJ – which is why I was considering moving to Carmel Valley.)
Also from a public school perspective – my son is in public school right now because we moved – and while he is a bit bored and some of the kids act up, it’s a real world situation and he’s been a little too protected. The school here in LJ is actually very nice and the kids are just normal kids (most of them). It’s good for him and hopefully he gets into the private school for 7-12th for the reasons its a better education, definetely not better people!
I went to school in a middle class public school and it was both good and bad. Back then there were a lot of bullies, the teachers locked themselves in the teacher’s lounge and smoked and we had to look out for ourselves. It’s way better now – kids are taught tolerance, kindness, and bullying isn’t tolerated.
My big problem with the public school system is that it is mediocre. It doesn’t have to be. Using the money more effectively, having teachers which are far more empowered, and removing the tenure idea and make teachers hit standards of excellence (like most well run companies) – and removing the teachers unions. Teaching should be like any job and it should be pay for performance. I think as a society we should be having our best and brightest be the teachers! A great teacher can take kids and mold them – give them some of what many kids don’t get at home – an example.
Anyway thats my rant. I would love to see more quality in the public schools. If the public schools were 80% as good as the private schools – the private schools would disappear!
June 2, 2007 at 8:00 PM #56106ParticipantPrivate vs Public School. This is obviously a big debate and a difficult one to answer. Why? Because there are so many variables to consider. I don’t think it is possible, to make a blanket statement about either. The truth is,there are both good and bad public and private schools.
Having taught at public high school for 10 years, I can inform you about my experiences. Despite MSM reports, there are some students getting a good education in public schools. There are good teachers teaching good students. It is far from the mayhem that the MSM likes to report. Sure, there are some bad students, roughly 10% that need to be dealt with. (More swiftly in my opinion.) But overall, kids come to school and go about their business of being teenagers. What normally distinguishes a “Good School” from a “Bad School”, is the amount of PARENT INVOLVEMENT. I see this on a daily basis. Children, whose parents are active, get their students in the best classes and with the best teachers. And, they are being well educated.
Believe it or not, “EDUCATION” is not just about learning to be academic. Sure, it is important teach content, and to motivate students HOW, to learn. That is priority #1. But, being “EDUCATED” is also learning how to carry yourself in society and “LEARNING” about all different types of people. Not, just your own.
Don’t think for a moment, because your child is in an affluent area in either public or a private school, that there won’t be problems. You are kidding yourself. Drugs, primarily, are WORSE in these affluent schools simply, because of greater access to money. In addition, if both parents are not home due to work, throw in some peer pressure, and you could have a recipe for disaster.
The last thing I would like to mention is, the role the MSM plays in all this. For years, they have reported how terrible and dangerous public schools are. And yes, in some cases this is true. But for most, it is not. Unfortunately you always hear about the schools that are in “Dangerous Areas” preying on peoples worst fears.
Let me tell you a quick story. Harvard Westlake is the most prominent private high school in Los Angeles. Last month, two students apparently were having some relationship issues. The boy convinced the girl to sit in his car where he promptly pulled out a claw hammer, and beat her over the head and shoulders, 22 times. Do you think that made it to the papers? No, of course not.
Sure there are other problems in public schools that I haven’t mentioned, (bad teachers, administrators etc…) And, we could debate this forever.All I am trying to say is, don’t assume anything because it is a public or a private school. Do your own homework, and find out what is best, for your own child.
June 2, 2007 at 8:00 PM #56125ParticipantPrivate vs Public School. This is obviously a big debate and a difficult one to answer. Why? Because there are so many variables to consider. I don’t think it is possible, to make a blanket statement about either. The truth is,there are both good and bad public and private schools.
Having taught at public high school for 10 years, I can inform you about my experiences. Despite MSM reports, there are some students getting a good education in public schools. There are good teachers teaching good students. It is far from the mayhem that the MSM likes to report. Sure, there are some bad students, roughly 10% that need to be dealt with. (More swiftly in my opinion.) But overall, kids come to school and go about their business of being teenagers. What normally distinguishes a “Good School” from a “Bad School”, is the amount of PARENT INVOLVEMENT. I see this on a daily basis. Children, whose parents are active, get their students in the best classes and with the best teachers. And, they are being well educated.
Believe it or not, “EDUCATION” is not just about learning to be academic. Sure, it is important teach content, and to motivate students HOW, to learn. That is priority #1. But, being “EDUCATED” is also learning how to carry yourself in society and “LEARNING” about all different types of people. Not, just your own.
Don’t think for a moment, because your child is in an affluent area in either public or a private school, that there won’t be problems. You are kidding yourself. Drugs, primarily, are WORSE in these affluent schools simply, because of greater access to money. In addition, if both parents are not home due to work, throw in some peer pressure, and you could have a recipe for disaster.
The last thing I would like to mention is, the role the MSM plays in all this. For years, they have reported how terrible and dangerous public schools are. And yes, in some cases this is true. But for most, it is not. Unfortunately you always hear about the schools that are in “Dangerous Areas” preying on peoples worst fears.
Let me tell you a quick story. Harvard Westlake is the most prominent private high school in Los Angeles. Last month, two students apparently were having some relationship issues. The boy convinced the girl to sit in his car where he promptly pulled out a claw hammer, and beat her over the head and shoulders, 22 times. Do you think that made it to the papers? No, of course not.
Sure there are other problems in public schools that I haven’t mentioned, (bad teachers, administrators etc…) And, we could debate this forever.All I am trying to say is, don’t assume anything because it is a public or a private school. Do your own homework, and find out what is best, for your own child.
June 2, 2007 at 9:40 PM #56126Anonymous
GuestThere is nothing more dangerous than families with money, brains, and weak or no beliefs. Harvard-Westlake, La Jolla Country Day, and Francis Parker are private schools that have no religious element. I would never allow my children to attend them.
We send our kids to Evans/Bishops because they are private and religious. We believe that kids need both to learn and to, more importantly, develop proper character.
Private schools without religion merely ensure that your kids get higher quality drugs than the kids at public schools get.
June 2, 2007 at 9:40 PM #56145GuestThere is nothing more dangerous than families with money, brains, and weak or no beliefs. Harvard-Westlake, La Jolla Country Day, and Francis Parker are private schools that have no religious element. I would never allow my children to attend them.
We send our kids to Evans/Bishops because they are private and religious. We believe that kids need both to learn and to, more importantly, develop proper character.
Private schools without religion merely ensure that your kids get higher quality drugs than the kids at public schools get.
June 2, 2007 at 9:48 PM #56130ParticipantReligious Schools don’t have ANY drugs? What about people that don’t practice that religion? What do they learn about them?
Sounds like another blanket statement, saying that if your kids have religion, they are fine.
I’d say Pandora’s box is now open…
June 2, 2007 at 9:48 PM #56149ParticipantReligious Schools don’t have ANY drugs? What about people that don’t practice that religion? What do they learn about them?
Sounds like another blanket statement, saying that if your kids have religion, they are fine.
I’d say Pandora’s box is now open…
June 2, 2007 at 10:04 PM #56140ParticipantYou are really asking for it now JG!
On that note I think I will go to bed!
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