Manhunt

[Coronita]

[quote=CA renter]

BTW, when he refers to cops not doing anything to save a person’s life, I don’t think he’s talking about crime victims or other innocent people in this rant. He is probably talking about cops not doing anything to save the life of a criminal they’ve just shot or beat up. Not saying that that’s okay, just trying to get a better understanding of what he’s trying to convey. Not sure how this would end up in more overtime, as they would have to go to court even if the person didn’t die (might have to spend more time in court if the suspect didn’t die and they have to proceed with a criminal case against the suspect).[/quote]

Oh that’s just horseshit… Anyone that’s ever lived in LA like I have know that cops have the persona of being bullies. Serve and protect my ass. And his rant about apathy of a cop when someone dies. Totally accurate. I recall when a friend was in high school and was involved in an accident…Cop was on seen and didn’t do shit… And before you go off and say you be glad cops exist, because you never know when you might need them…. That’s a bunch of crap too.
When someone broke into (walked into our offices) and stole a bunch of stuff (making it beyond petty theft) it too 3+ hours for a cop to show up to take a 15 minute report, of which we handed over a security tape showing the perp, the phone numbers he called from one of the stolen cell phones i traced, a rough pin-point of where he lived, his street name. This case was almost a slam dunk case… What happened? Absolutely nothing…Probably too busy writing a bunch of stupid parking/speeding tickets…and charging overtime…

It doesn’t justify this guy’s homicidal rampage, but still, serve and protect.. Um… sure….

[spdrun]

And now LAPD will have the reputation for hiring homicidal loonjobs in addition to being racist, sexist, rude, unhelpful, and happy to give out parking tickets like confetti on a Thanksgiving Day parade. The 90 or so % of decent cops on the LAPD must be thrilled with this situation.

I have to wonder if LAPD’s behavior varies by precinct — speaking only to NYC, I’ve heard horror stories about NYPD in “bad” areas of the Bronx and Brooklyn and how they treat the residents. Yet my experiences with the dept in lower (read: below 100th St) Manhattan haven’t been negative at all thus far.

[desmond]

[quote=ucodegen][quote=desmond]Why would you burn the truck? It only calls attention to it. I really think now he is going by the seat of his pants, I looked at the tracks of his truck from the tv and because it is not a 4×4 it looks like he got stuck. He probably hiked up the hill away from homes and will have to bivouac for the night. A freezing cold storm is on that mountain now, he won’t go far, to steep, high altitude, and he does not look in that good of shape. If I lived up there I would be awake all night and ready to defend myself.[/quote]
I don’t know about that. Did you look at it before it was attached to the tow truck.. or after? I saw only one image of it before the tow truck arrived and the vehicle was across the road, and would have been quite easy to drive it out from there. It almost looked like it was placed intentionally, and near an intersection. The area is mostly plowed, slushy but plowed. The problem is that his vehicle had been made.. it was no longer safe to use. Now the police are taking quite a bit of time to check the area. Typical. He did write that the way the police handle these things is predictable.

So the scenarios could be..

1) Got stuck.. decided to burn truck(which does not make that much sense because it calls attention to that area -> mountain + smoke means fast response). Police and Fire come to investigate, but he hadn’t set up a blind to take some rifle shots from before relocating? Doesn’t make sense in this context. The fire created a police target rich environment. It is also unusual considering that it is so cold up there right now, and will be colder shortly.

2) Placed vehicle across road far enough away from center of town so activity will not be seen. Has another car already there (having one or more ‘backup’ vehicles would be useful if one is trying to attempt what he intends). Stealing a car would not be useful because the vehicle gets ID’d when the theft is reported. His truck is no longer useful, so burns it to attract attention while heading out in another direction. It also causes the Police to now think he is on foot. They are busy focusing on the mountain.. Remember that he did this shortly after he was being followed by police. BTW Corona is south of Big Bear.. along 15 North. I suspect that he was originally trying to mislead police to thinking he was going to Mexico. Unfortunately for this, he got made going through Corona. Now he has to make them think he is somewhere else that would take a while to ‘search’.

I find the SD Boat ‘kidnap’ attempt interesting. Why didn’t he order the owner to start it? He could also order the owner to maneuver/drive the boat as well. Starting a boat is not that hard. Particularly when it is on the end pier. Dropping of the ID in SD is also interesting (though it would not be of much use anymore anyway). Remember, this guy is military trained, probably in asymmetrical warfare. Has handled being under fire (more so than most police). Not typical police nor typical criminal.[/quote]

Here’s what I think: After the shootouts in Corona and Riverside he knew he could not drive on the highways. He headed up toward the mountains. I doubt he had a car planted up there because: You don’t put a car in the mountains up a one-way road that does get use and would be seen by the forest service or passers by. The roads are very steep and icy up there, I live at the same elevation travel those roads all the time with my quad, a regular car has no chance. A camera will not capture how steep the terrain is. If the truck was sideways when you saw it that means he was spinning out and the backend was sliding to the left or right. I saw tracks burned through the snow behind his tires. I think he thought “I burning the truck and this will be my final hurrah” heading into forest. If he is up there he is freezing his ass off, won’t travel far, there really is no place to go other than to hijack a car or something else that is desparate. He is a little lucky with the weather they cannot use choppers. Or if he did have a car, never mind…….

[no_such_reality]

The Police are supposedly on the lookout for a White Lexus, last seen near Barstow.

May not be a good day to drive a white car in the IE.

Dorner is in the wrong. He’s allegedly killed a person’s daughter for what he blames the father. You don’t get more wrong than that.

That said, the police actions and continued declaration of the Chief in LA saying the police opened fire on a vehicle matching the suspects vehicles description is disgusting. It’s a full size truck versus a compact truck. Plus, I’ve now heard reports that the two women are really, woman and her 7 year old daughter.

I heard the news this morning mention that Anderson Cooper supposedly said there are scenes on the DVD he was mailed that appears to support Dorner’s claim that the suspect was kicked.

And just remember, due to the Peace Officer Bill of Rights, you don’t have the right to know anything they determine of the alleged events in regards to the officers.

Maybe we need to add a poll, are you more concerned about getting injured by Dorner or are you more concerned about getting injured by police reaction.

[desmond]

btw, what is that Gorilla doing sitting over in the corner of the room? Where is all the outrage of the gun control crowd now? now that you need a very large gun with lots of bullets to defend yourself?? Please talk about semi-automatic assult weapons that do not have a purpose, or something else that will make you feel good about this story….

[sjk]

[quote=flu][quote=CA renter]

BTW, when he refers to cops not doing anything to save a person’s life, I don’t think he’s talking about crime victims or other innocent people in this rant. He is probably talking about cops not doing anything to save the life of a criminal they’ve just shot or beat up. Not saying that that’s okay, just trying to get a better understanding of what he’s trying to convey. Not sure how this would end up in more overtime, as they would have to go to court even if the person didn’t die (might have to spend more time in court if the suspect didn’t die and they have to proceed with a criminal case against the suspect).[/quote]

Oh that’s just horseshit… Anyone that’s ever lived in LA like I have know that cops have the persona of being bullies. Serve and protect my ass. And his rant about apathy of a cop when someone dies. Totally accurate. I recall when a friend was in high school and was involved in an accident…Cop was on seen and didn’t do shit… And before you go off and say you be glad cops exist, because you never know when you might need them…. That’s a bunch of crap too.
When someone broke into (walked into our offices) and stole a bunch of stuff (making it beyond petty theft) it too 3+ hours for a cop to show up to take a 15 minute report, of which we handed over a security tape showing the perp, the phone numbers he called from one of the stolen cell phones i traced, a rough pin-point of where he lived, his street name. This case was almost a slam dunk case… What happened? Absolutely nothing…Probably too busy writing a bunch of stupid parking/speeding tickets…and charging overtime…

It doesn’t justify this guy’s homicidal rampage, but still, serve and protect.. Um… sure….[/quote]
Best flu post ever!

Regards,

[desmond]

[quote=no_such_reality]The Police are supposedly on the lookout for a White Lexus, last seen near Barstow.

May not be a good day to drive a white car in the IE.

Dorner is in the wrong. He’s allegedly killed a person’s daughter for what he blames the father. You don’t get more wrong than that.

That said, the police actions and continued declaration of the Chief in LA saying the police opened fire on a vehicle matching the suspects vehicles description is disgusting. It’s a full size truck versus a compact truck. Plus, I’ve now heard reports that the two women are really, woman and her 7 year old daughter.

I heard the news this morning mention that Anderson Cooper supposedly said there are scenes on the DVD he was mailed that appears to support Dorner’s claim that the suspect was kicked.

And just remember, due to the Peace Officer Bill of Rights, you don’t have the right to know anything they determine of the alleged events in regards to the officers.

Maybe we need to add a poll, are you more concerned about getting injured by Dorner or are you more concerned about getting injured by police reaction.[/quote]

I am and always have been much more concerened with the police. I am now driving the truck I bought for my son that he no longer wants, a blue Tacoma TRD, I did not drive it yesterday.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=desmond]btw, what is that Gorilla doing sitting over in the corner of the room? Where is all the outrage of the gun control crowd now? now that you need a very large gun with lots of bullets to defend yourself?? Please talk about semi-automatic assult weapons that do not have a purpose, or something else that will make you feel good about this story….[/quote]

Is that a 46 on the placard on the ground? I saw three shotgun shells in yesterday’s photo, that would likely be 27 double aught buckshot. That just leaves 19 other shots to count.

The Honda Ridgeline on the news showed three shots through the front windshield this morning and air bags deployed.

Note, LA Times is saying the two women we 71 and 47.

[spdrun]

I heard the news this morning mention that Anderson Cooper supposedly said there are scenes on the DVD he was mailed that appears to support Dorner’s claim that the suspect was kicked.

Not justifying Dorner’s insane actions in any way.

But if the scenes are there, I hope that the sow who kicked the mentally ill man loses her job over that, and that she won’t be even be able to find employment as a toilet cleaner in the fair state of CA. I have no patience for cops who abuse their power — as I said, in a fair world, they’d get a swift trip down a stout rope.

[all]

[quote=spdrun]And now LAPD will have the reputation for hiring homicidal loonjobs in addition to being racist, sexist, rude, unhelpful, and happy to give out parking tickets like confetti on a Thanksgiving Day parade. The 90 or so % of decent cops on the LAPD must be thrilled with this situation.

I have to wonder if LAPD’s behavior varies by precinct — speaking only to NYC, I’ve heard horror stories about NYPD in “bad” areas of the Bronx and Brooklyn and how they treat the residents. Yet my experiences with the dept in lower (read: below 100th St) Manhattan haven’t been negative at all thus far.[/quote]

It also helps if you can show off some fair skin and Caucasian facial features.

[Coronita]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=desmond]btw, what is that Gorilla doing sitting over in the corner of the room? Where is all the outrage of the gun control crowd now? now that you need a very large gun with lots of bullets to defend yourself?? Please talk about semi-automatic assult weapons that do not have a purpose, or something else that will make you feel good about this story….[/quote]

Is that a 46 on the placard on the ground? I saw three shotgun shells in yesterday’s photo, that would likely be 27 double aught buckshot. That just leaves 19 other shots to count.

The Honda Ridgeline on the news showed three shots through the front windshield this morning and air bags deployed.

Note, LA Times is saying the two women we 71 and 47.[/quote]

Ok for first of all, the cop(s) that shot into that BLUE TACOMA (which is a far difference from a charcoal gray Nissan Titan) wasn’t LAPD. I believe it was Torrance Police.

How someone mistakes a Blue Toyota Tacoma for a Gray Nissan Titan is beyond me..

No worries though. The two shot will file a lawsuit, they’ll make millions off of it… The cop(s) responsible for the shooting will go on administrative leave for some time… Probably fully paid, due to union rules, and then retire with a full pension…And oh yeah, the city of torrance will pay for the bill…Or I should say the taxpayers….

I think that’s how you make money in California now…Get shot by the police (don’t get killed) have someone video tape it, and then sue…

[spdrun]

How someone mistakes a Blue Toyota Tacoma for a Gray Nissan Titan is beyond me..

If they were smart, they’d have gone to work for the DMV 😀

[no_such_reality]

[quote]
In pictures shown on the show, the Post-It note reads, in part: “I never lied! Here is my vindication. Evans kicked the suspect.” The DVD, Cooper said, contains testimony that appears to corroborate Dorner’s claims.

The note appears to be in reference to an incident that led to Dorner’s firing from the LAPD. Dorner alleged that he had witnessed his law enforcement partner, Teresa Evans, kick a mentally ill man while he was handcuffed. Investigators concluded there was no truth to Dorner’s claim. A discipline board found that Dorner had lied about the incident and fired him. LA Times Link[/quote]

Who knows could just be the handcuffed guys claim or could be something else. Will the media dig in or sweep it away?

No Flu, the Tacoma was shot by LAPD in Torrance. On “protection duty”. The Gray Ridgeline was shot by Torrance PD.

[paramount]

[quote=flu]Oh that’s just horseshit… Anyone that’s ever lived in LA like I have know that cops have the persona of being bullies.[/quote]

I’m with flu on this one; in fact I fear the police gang more than I fear street gangs.

[all]

[quote=flu]
How someone mistakes a Blue Toyota Tacoma for a Gray Nissan Titan is beyond me..
[/quote]

Those Asians, they all look the same.

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