Manhunt

[spdrun]

Exactly — they need to institute eye testing and marksmanship lessons, perhaps from an ex-military instructor. Spraying and praying endangers everyone.

[no_such_reality]

Oh, the hole is getting stinky.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22539574/fired-lapd-officer-christopher-dorner-identified-suspect-couples

[quote]At Dorner’s disciplinary hearing, numerous officers testified about a July 28, 2007, “use of force” incident at the Doubletree Hotel in San Pedro in which Dorner’s training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, shot a mentally ill man with a Taser gun to subdue him when Dorner and the man struggled and fell into bushes.
Other officers and witnesses described the use of force similarly, but Dorner filed a report saying Evans had kicked the man twice in the shoulder and face, and discouraged him from including the information in his police report.[/quote]

[Huckleberry]

Here is the complete “non-media scrubbed” manifesto.

The media is already releasing redacted copies of his writing without the pro-left/gun control content. The redacted copy is ~12 pages long and the original is ~ 22 pages. Without getting too political, here is a story about the two versions that have been released.

I’m posting this link because it’s the only copy that hasn’t been scrubbed.

It obviously depicts a wacko!

http://www.soopermexican.com/2013/02/07/news-media-scrub-cop-murderers-manifesto-of-pro-obama-pro-hillary-loved-msnbc-pro-gay-and-anti-gun-comments/

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Huckleberry]
It obviously depicts a wacko!
[/quote]

You mean plotting an killing multiple people 3 years of stewing wasn’t enough of a clue?

[desmond]

It looks like the guy is now up in the Big Bear area out on foot. His burned out truck was just shown on TV. Hopefully the residents near there have adequate supply of guns and ammunition to defend themselves, not just their manpurses.

[Huckleberry]

[quote=desmond]It looks like the guy is now up in the Big Bear area out on foot. His burned out truck was just shown on TV. Hopefully the residents near there have adequate supply of guns and ammunition to defend themselves, not just their manpurses.[/quote]
Agreed!

Hopefully for them, considering who they are dealing with, they have semi-auto assault rifles, shotguns and handguns. Personally I would want all three against a guy of this magnitude…

[ucodegen]

The angle of the burnt out truck is unusual.. it is cross-road. Almost like he wants it to be found. Winter in Big Bear is not a good time to be out in the open. I wonder if the P-U is a diversion? He might be back towards LA.. They need to check for rental vehicles, and who rented them.

From a tactical point, it would be effective for him to have police looking for a person in a large mountainous area while being back down in town. He may have also put on skin lightener or ‘light makeup’.. since they are looking for a large black man. If he was going to ‘wait them out’ in the mountains, he might have burned the truck and then start shooting the police when they get to the truck before disappearing into the mountains. Instead he was no where to be found.

[ucodegen]

[quote=Huckleberry]Hopefully for them, considering who they are dealing with, they have semi-auto assault rifles, shotguns and handguns. Personally I would want all three against a guy of this magnitude…[/quote]Ironically, this guy wanted to ban AR-15s etc.. while reserving the right to Barret-50 and SA-7s for himself (as if he really has a surface to air missile or two..).

[CA renter]

[quote=ucodegen]The angle of the burnt out truck is unusual.. it is cross-road. Almost like he wants it to be found. Winter in Big Bear is not a good time to be out in the open. I wonder if the P-U is a diversion? He might be back towards LA.. They need to check for rental vehicles, and who rented them.

From a tactical point, it would be effective for him to have police looking for a person in a large mountainous area while being back down in town. He may have also put on skin lightener or ‘light makeup’.. since they are looking for a large black man. If he was going to ‘wait them out’ in the mountains, he might have burned the truck and then start shooting the police when they get to the truck before disappearing into the mountains. Instead he was no where to be found.[/quote]

This is exactly what I thought when they found the truck. This guy is not stupid.

[desmond]

[quote=ucodegen]The angle of the burnt out truck is unusual.. it is cross-road. Almost like he wants it to be found. Winter in Big Bear is not a good time to be out in the open. I wonder if the P-U is a diversion? He might be back towards LA.. They need to check for rental vehicles, and who rented them.

From a tactical point, it would be effective for him to have police looking for a person in a large mountainous area while being back down in town. He may have also put on skin lightener or ‘light makeup’.. since they are looking for a large black man. If he was going to ‘wait them out’ in the mountains, he might have burned the truck and then start shooting the police when they get to the truck before disappearing into the mountains. Instead he was no where to be found.[/quote]

Why would you burn the truck? It only calls attention to it. I really think now he is going by the seat of his pants, I looked at the tracks of his truck from the tv and because it is not a 4×4 it looks like he got stuck. He probably hiked up the hill away from homes and will have to bivouac for the night. A freezing cold storm is on that mountain now, he won’t go far, to steep, high altitude, and he does not look in that good of shape. If I lived up there I would be awake all night and ready to defend myself.

[NotCranky]

I think Desmond is right. This guy is done. Hopefully there is no hostage situation in it.
If he is in the hills, he is not too far from that truck and it seems police dogs would have him pointed out already.

[ucodegen]

[quote=desmond]Why would you burn the truck? It only calls attention to it. I really think now he is going by the seat of his pants, I looked at the tracks of his truck from the tv and because it is not a 4×4 it looks like he got stuck. He probably hiked up the hill away from homes and will have to bivouac for the night. A freezing cold storm is on that mountain now, he won’t go far, to steep, high altitude, and he does not look in that good of shape. If I lived up there I would be awake all night and ready to defend myself.[/quote]
I don’t know about that. Did you look at it before it was attached to the tow truck.. or after? I saw only one image of it before the tow truck arrived and the vehicle was across the road, and would have been quite easy to drive it out from there. It almost looked like it was placed intentionally, and near an intersection. The area is mostly plowed, slushy but plowed. The problem is that his vehicle had been made.. it was no longer safe to use. Now the police are taking quite a bit of time to check the area. Typical. He did write that the way the police handle these things is predictable.

So the scenarios could be..

1) Got stuck.. decided to burn truck(which does not make that much sense because it calls attention to that area -> mountain + smoke means fast response). Police and Fire come to investigate, but he hadn’t set up a blind to take some rifle shots from before relocating? Doesn’t make sense in this context. The fire created a police target rich environment. It is also unusual considering that it is so cold up there right now, and will be colder shortly.

2) Placed vehicle across road far enough away from center of town so activity will not be seen. Has another car already there (having one or more ‘backup’ vehicles would be useful if one is trying to attempt what he intends). Stealing a car would not be useful because the vehicle gets ID’d when the theft is reported. His truck is no longer useful, so burns it to attract attention while heading out in another direction. It also causes the Police to now think he is on foot. They are busy focusing on the mountain.. Remember that he did this shortly after he was being followed by police. BTW Corona is south of Big Bear.. along 15 North. I suspect that he was originally trying to mislead police to thinking he was going to Mexico. Unfortunately for this, he got made going through Corona. Now he has to make them think he is somewhere else that would take a while to ‘search’.

I find the SD Boat ‘kidnap’ attempt interesting. Why didn’t he order the owner to start it? He could also order the owner to maneuver/drive the boat as well. Starting a boat is not that hard. Particularly when it is on the end pier. Dropping of the ID in SD is also interesting (though it would not be of much use anymore anyway). Remember, this guy is military trained, probably in asymmetrical warfare. Has handled being under fire (more so than most police). Not typical police nor typical criminal.

[paramount]

Sure doesn’t help the case against the 2nd amendment.

Notice there’s barely any mention in the news that the cops shot up innocent bystanders.

Oh well, they’re just expendable civilians.

The Military Industrial Police State gone wild.

[Coronita]

You guys should read the manifesto….

http://www.scribd.com/doc/124382446/Christopher-Dorner-s-Manifesto

If there’s any truth to it, LAPD sounds pretty screwed up as usual.

What struck me is, he’s seems to be a fairly well spoken, intelligent being from his writing. He must have snapped.

I don’t doubt he got snowed under by the system.

Disturbing part of his manifesto that caught my eyes there’s any shred of truth in it:

Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. Theywould not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers thatthey had a 187 caper the other day and can’t wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, “that’s the paramedics job…not mine”. Let the balance of loss of life take place.Sometimes a reset needs to occur…..

Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extraovertime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearlydon’t value yours or your family members lives? I’ve heard many officers who state they see deadvictims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they willreceive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of theovertime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers fromother divisions. This isn’t just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers withsignificant time on the job as well who participat

[CA renter]

Flu,

He may be fairly well-spoken, and certainly seems to be rather intelligent, but he’s also mentally/emotionally unstable.

He might have some serious and very legitimate grievances, especially regarding the circumstances of his termination, but I’ve never heard of any police officers thinking about dead people (crime vicims?) as overtime, ATVs, etc.

BTW, when he refers to cops not doing anything to save a person’s life, I don’t think he’s talking about crime victims or other innocent people in this rant. He is probably talking about cops not doing anything to save the life of a criminal they’ve just shot or beat up. Not saying that that’s okay, just trying to get a better understanding of what he’s trying to convey. Not sure how this would end up in more overtime, as they would have to go to court even if the person didn’t die (might have to spend more time in court if the suspect didn’t die and they have to proceed with a criminal case against the suspect).

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