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January 19, 2010 at 9:52 AM #504253January 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM #503373AnonymousGuest
[quote=captcha]The focus is misplaced. Paying someone ‘under the table’ is against the law.[/quote]
You nailed it.
All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)
Plus, as others have noted, some of the numbers are totally inaccurate.
The whole example is bunk.
January 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM #503520AnonymousGuest[quote=captcha]The focus is misplaced. Paying someone ‘under the table’ is against the law.[/quote]
You nailed it.
All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)
Plus, as others have noted, some of the numbers are totally inaccurate.
The whole example is bunk.
January 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM #503919AnonymousGuest[quote=captcha]The focus is misplaced. Paying someone ‘under the table’ is against the law.[/quote]
You nailed it.
All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)
Plus, as others have noted, some of the numbers are totally inaccurate.
The whole example is bunk.
January 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM #504007AnonymousGuest[quote=captcha]The focus is misplaced. Paying someone ‘under the table’ is against the law.[/quote]
You nailed it.
All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)
Plus, as others have noted, some of the numbers are totally inaccurate.
The whole example is bunk.
January 19, 2010 at 10:24 AM #504258AnonymousGuest[quote=captcha]The focus is misplaced. Paying someone ‘under the table’ is against the law.[/quote]
You nailed it.
All of the differences are based upon the fact that one person obeys the labor and tax laws, and the other does not. Immigration status really doesn’t give Jose any sort of advantage. Joe could choose to be “illegal” also, even though he is a citizen. For example, Joe could choose to get paid under the table, or choose not pay for car insurance either. (And lots of Joes do just this.)
Plus, as others have noted, some of the numbers are totally inaccurate.
The whole example is bunk.
January 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM #503390poorgradstudentParticipantThe answer, of course, is to aggressively go after John Buisinessowner. He’s the one who is doing work on the cheap and cheating the system, avoiding paying payroll taxes and insurance by hiring Jose.
John Businessowner is providing the opportunity and incentive for Jose to come over. Going after him closes the holes in the system.
January 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM #503537poorgradstudentParticipantThe answer, of course, is to aggressively go after John Buisinessowner. He’s the one who is doing work on the cheap and cheating the system, avoiding paying payroll taxes and insurance by hiring Jose.
John Businessowner is providing the opportunity and incentive for Jose to come over. Going after him closes the holes in the system.
January 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM #503934poorgradstudentParticipantThe answer, of course, is to aggressively go after John Buisinessowner. He’s the one who is doing work on the cheap and cheating the system, avoiding paying payroll taxes and insurance by hiring Jose.
John Businessowner is providing the opportunity and incentive for Jose to come over. Going after him closes the holes in the system.
January 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM #504026poorgradstudentParticipantThe answer, of course, is to aggressively go after John Buisinessowner. He’s the one who is doing work on the cheap and cheating the system, avoiding paying payroll taxes and insurance by hiring Jose.
John Businessowner is providing the opportunity and incentive for Jose to come over. Going after him closes the holes in the system.
January 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM #504276poorgradstudentParticipantThe answer, of course, is to aggressively go after John Buisinessowner. He’s the one who is doing work on the cheap and cheating the system, avoiding paying payroll taxes and insurance by hiring Jose.
John Businessowner is providing the opportunity and incentive for Jose to come over. Going after him closes the holes in the system.
January 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM #503396AnonymousGuestI don’t think the numbers are that off and it is funny you are arguing numbers when it should be argued that Companies that employ illegals should be the problem. See a lot of people complain about living wages and argue against some unions. So let’s privatize some of those local jobs that private companies can do for less. Well, anybody ever ask why they can do it for less? NO! So as I see it you cannot have it both ways. Cheap labor and no immigrants. Go ahead try to run the numbers. So stop with the Joe or Jose makes this or that. Stop the demand for cheap labor and ensure all workers are legal and you stop your problems. Just my 2 cents
January 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM #503542AnonymousGuestI don’t think the numbers are that off and it is funny you are arguing numbers when it should be argued that Companies that employ illegals should be the problem. See a lot of people complain about living wages and argue against some unions. So let’s privatize some of those local jobs that private companies can do for less. Well, anybody ever ask why they can do it for less? NO! So as I see it you cannot have it both ways. Cheap labor and no immigrants. Go ahead try to run the numbers. So stop with the Joe or Jose makes this or that. Stop the demand for cheap labor and ensure all workers are legal and you stop your problems. Just my 2 cents
January 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM #503939AnonymousGuestI don’t think the numbers are that off and it is funny you are arguing numbers when it should be argued that Companies that employ illegals should be the problem. See a lot of people complain about living wages and argue against some unions. So let’s privatize some of those local jobs that private companies can do for less. Well, anybody ever ask why they can do it for less? NO! So as I see it you cannot have it both ways. Cheap labor and no immigrants. Go ahead try to run the numbers. So stop with the Joe or Jose makes this or that. Stop the demand for cheap labor and ensure all workers are legal and you stop your problems. Just my 2 cents
January 19, 2010 at 11:16 AM #504031AnonymousGuestI don’t think the numbers are that off and it is funny you are arguing numbers when it should be argued that Companies that employ illegals should be the problem. See a lot of people complain about living wages and argue against some unions. So let’s privatize some of those local jobs that private companies can do for less. Well, anybody ever ask why they can do it for less? NO! So as I see it you cannot have it both ways. Cheap labor and no immigrants. Go ahead try to run the numbers. So stop with the Joe or Jose makes this or that. Stop the demand for cheap labor and ensure all workers are legal and you stop your problems. Just my 2 cents
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