Illegal Income Tax?

[greekfire]

I came across an intriguing video about the legality of the income tax. It is titled “America: Freedom to Fascism” and is produced by Aaron Russo. Here is the link to Part 1. You can get to the other parts from here. I tried to access the full version, but it was apparently removed from Google Video. Talk about coincidence.

The short of it is that the government, or IRS, was never officially authorized to tax a person’s labor via an income tax (form 1040). The 16th Amendment, the Income Tax Amendment, was never officially ratified. Apparently there is not a law on the books that authorizes this form of taxation. The theme of the video is that the bankers and politicians have conspired to pass the Federal Reserve Act unconstitutionally…giving them the right to produce dollars.

I think this is a very intriguing video.

What do you think?

[4plexowner]

Read “The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve” by G. Edward Griffin

truly an eye-opener – should be required reading for all Americans – Americans don’t read anymore so Aaron Russo and Michael Moore are trying to reach them where they live – sitting on their brains in front of the TV

[4plexowner]

Read “The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve” by G. Edward Griffin

truly an eye-opener – should be required reading for all Americans – Americans don’t read anymore so Aaron Russo and Michael Moore are trying to reach them where they live – sitting on their brains in front of the TV

[NeetaT]

None of that information matters to me, because I still have to pay taxes. If I could forgo paying taxes and not be reminded that I didn’t, it would matter to me.

[NeetaT]

None of that information matters to me, because I still have to pay taxes. If I could forgo paying taxes and not be reminded that I didn’t, it would matter to me.

[blue_sky]

News flash: not everything on the internet is true.

Go get an attorney’s opinion
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

In particular:
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratification

and
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#constitutional

[blue_sky]

News flash: not everything on the internet is true.

Go get an attorney’s opinion
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

In particular:
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#ratification

and
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#constitutional

[greekfire]

“News flash: not everything on the internet is true.”

Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the video. If you watch the videos they have several attorneys that specialize in this field speak on the topic. In fact, one of the protagonists in the video was a former IRS tax specialist, or something like that. So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.

[greekfire]

“News flash: not everything on the internet is true.”

Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself. I am not saying I agree or disagree with the video. If you watch the videos they have several attorneys that specialize in this field speak on the topic. In fact, one of the protagonists in the video was a former IRS tax specialist, or something like that. So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.

[blue_sky]

“Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself.”

All right, I recommend you pull the court’s ruling yourself, here’s the relevant case: U.S. v. Thomas, 788 F.2d 1250 (7th Cir. 1986), cert. den. 107 S.Ct. 187 (1986).

Or, if that’s too much work, how about reading page 46 of the St. Louis Bar Journal, Vol 53, No. 1. Also available on the internet for your convenience, though I’m sure you can get your local library to dig up a copy in case you have reason to believe this is a forgery:

http://www.bamsl.org/members/barjournal/summer%2006.pdf

You can also find a rundown of all of this from the IRS, who has to deal with this bullshit daily and references to all the relevant case law:

http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html

“So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.”

Compare the images at 0:40 in your video with this lawsuit: http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv04752.htm .

[blue_sky]

“Yet you cite references from the Internet yourself.”

All right, I recommend you pull the court’s ruling yourself, here’s the relevant case: U.S. v. Thomas, 788 F.2d 1250 (7th Cir. 1986), cert. den. 107 S.Ct. 187 (1986).

Or, if that’s too much work, how about reading page 46 of the St. Louis Bar Journal, Vol 53, No. 1. Also available on the internet for your convenience, though I’m sure you can get your local library to dig up a copy in case you have reason to believe this is a forgery:

http://www.bamsl.org/members/barjournal/summer%2006.pdf

You can also find a rundown of all of this from the IRS, who has to deal with this bullshit daily and references to all the relevant case law:

http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html

“So it’s not as though these statements are being made by a bunch of kooks.”

Compare the images at 0:40 in your video with this lawsuit: http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv04752.htm .

[Anonymous]

Uh, in reality, those statements ARE being made by a bunch of kooks since there is objectively documented, enormous legal precedent against their inane arguments.

None of these ‘tax protesters’ with their silly ideas win. They aren’t after any grand, righteous, legal principle, they just don’t want to pay what they owe.

If a state legislature thought that it really did not ratify the 16th Amendment, they would have so voted and made it clear. None has done so.

On the other hand, videos like this may enhance business prospects for private lawyers who take on the deluded tax protester’s cases. For money up front, no doubt.

[Anonymous]

Uh, in reality, those statements ARE being made by a bunch of kooks since there is objectively documented, enormous legal precedent against their inane arguments.

None of these ‘tax protesters’ with their silly ideas win. They aren’t after any grand, righteous, legal principle, they just don’t want to pay what they owe.

If a state legislature thought that it really did not ratify the 16th Amendment, they would have so voted and made it clear. None has done so.

On the other hand, videos like this may enhance business prospects for private lawyers who take on the deluded tax protester’s cases. For money up front, no doubt.

[no_such_reality]

Two thoughts:

1. Don’t pay your income tax, you’ll find out how unsuccessful debate of the legality is.

2. Think of the alternatives. We could replace income tax with an asset tax. Imagine a National Real and Intangiable Property tax of 3% on the assessed value of your home, car, boat, stocks, bonds, CDs, mutual funds, 67 inch LCD TV…

[no_such_reality]

Two thoughts:

1. Don’t pay your income tax, you’ll find out how unsuccessful debate of the legality is.

2. Think of the alternatives. We could replace income tax with an asset tax. Imagine a National Real and Intangiable Property tax of 3% on the assessed value of your home, car, boat, stocks, bonds, CDs, mutual funds, 67 inch LCD TV…

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