I find it interesting!!

[socrattt]

[quote=CostaMesa]Absolutely hilarious considering the Republicans are the ones trying to kill the ‘Buy American’ provisions in the Stimulus Bill.

WASHINGTON, Feb 4 (Reuters) – Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, was expected to offer an amendment to strip the Buy American provision from the Senate’s stimulus bill

(02-03) 04:00 PST Washington — The top Senate Republican, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said Monday that the measure should be stripped from the bill

LEt’s see how this math works.

Joey sells American steel so Tony can build a bridge. Two American jobs.
Lin sells Chinese steel so Tony can build a bridge. One American job. Price of bridge about 3% less.

Doesn’t make a speck of sense to me. There’s a reason the Republicans are the MINORITY party – because they’re totally out of touch with reality![/quote]

CostaMesa, I don’t think I was trying to take sides here. I personally think both parties are a bunch of knuckle heads. Obviously I can see you voted in HOPE that Obama would save the world. Maybe all the liberals will realize that at this point both parties have absolutely destroyed this country, including their own.

The bipartisan garbage needs to end. We need to focus on America and the fundamentals that brought this wonderful country to be the superpower of the world. We need to nix the corrupt politicians. I also read that Obama hired another lobbyist recently. I am just so puzzled with these guys. They create executive orders and then they break their own rules.

I smell an unemployment rate of 10% by July and once that happens all bets are off my friends. If you don’t believe there will be civil unrest with a 10% unemployment rate along with many other negative factors you will be sorely mistaken. America will be begging for mercy shortly and I don’t think a trillion dollar stimulus plan is the answer. I think we need to beg before we borrow! We need to learn how to save and not spend. How to produce and not consume. All these will happen eventually, unfortunately at the expense and lives of many Americans.

[afx114]

And what’s all this theatrical outrage over the national mall’s lawn? Would you not have to do the following:

– rent or purchase machinery to prepare the soil
– hire someone to prepare the soil
– purchase irrigation parts from suppliers (hopefully not Chinese)
– purchase sod from a farmer
– purchase fertilizer (also from a farmer?)
– pay a trucker to ship the sod/fertilizer/irrigation parts to the mall
– hire irrigation installers
– hire someone to lay the sod
– hire someone to maintain it

Are these not jobs? How is this not stimulative? Can someone opposed to this explain why? I haven’t heard a good argument against it accept for the talking heads on TV saying “that’s not jobs, that’s a pork barrel pet project.”

And as Obama said in his speech today, why wouldn’t we want to modernize the nation’s fleet of vehicles? Imagine replacing the entire fleet with fuel-efficient cars. Say they get 10mpg more than the current fleet of cars — how many billions in fuel costs would that save this country over a 5-10 year span, not to mention the manufacturing jobs that would be saved or created by such a large order?

I just can’t for the life of me understand why any rational person would see the modernization of our nation’s fleet as bad for this country. Can anyone explain this to me? I am genuinely curious.

[afx114]

And what’s all this theatrical outrage over the national mall’s lawn? Would you not have to do the following:

– rent or purchase machinery to prepare the soil
– hire someone to prepare the soil
– purchase irrigation parts from suppliers (hopefully not Chinese)
– purchase sod from a farmer
– purchase fertilizer (also from a farmer?)
– pay a trucker to ship the sod/fertilizer/irrigation parts to the mall
– hire irrigation installers
– hire someone to lay the sod
– hire someone to maintain it

Are these not jobs? How is this not stimulative? Can someone opposed to this explain why? I haven’t heard a good argument against it accept for the talking heads on TV saying “that’s not jobs, that’s a pork barrel pet project.”

And as Obama said in his speech today, why wouldn’t we want to modernize the nation’s fleet of vehicles? Imagine replacing the entire fleet with fuel-efficient cars. Say they get 10mpg more than the current fleet of cars — how many billions in fuel costs would that save this country over a 5-10 year span, not to mention the manufacturing jobs that would be saved or created by such a large order?

I just can’t for the life of me understand why any rational person would see the modernization of our nation’s fleet as bad for this country. Can anyone explain this to me? I am genuinely curious.

[afx114]

And what’s all this theatrical outrage over the national mall’s lawn? Would you not have to do the following:

– rent or purchase machinery to prepare the soil
– hire someone to prepare the soil
– purchase irrigation parts from suppliers (hopefully not Chinese)
– purchase sod from a farmer
– purchase fertilizer (also from a farmer?)
– pay a trucker to ship the sod/fertilizer/irrigation parts to the mall
– hire irrigation installers
– hire someone to lay the sod
– hire someone to maintain it

Are these not jobs? How is this not stimulative? Can someone opposed to this explain why? I haven’t heard a good argument against it accept for the talking heads on TV saying “that’s not jobs, that’s a pork barrel pet project.”

And as Obama said in his speech today, why wouldn’t we want to modernize the nation’s fleet of vehicles? Imagine replacing the entire fleet with fuel-efficient cars. Say they get 10mpg more than the current fleet of cars — how many billions in fuel costs would that save this country over a 5-10 year span, not to mention the manufacturing jobs that would be saved or created by such a large order?

I just can’t for the life of me understand why any rational person would see the modernization of our nation’s fleet as bad for this country. Can anyone explain this to me? I am genuinely curious.

[afx114]

And what’s all this theatrical outrage over the national mall’s lawn? Would you not have to do the following:

– rent or purchase machinery to prepare the soil
– hire someone to prepare the soil
– purchase irrigation parts from suppliers (hopefully not Chinese)
– purchase sod from a farmer
– purchase fertilizer (also from a farmer?)
– pay a trucker to ship the sod/fertilizer/irrigation parts to the mall
– hire irrigation installers
– hire someone to lay the sod
– hire someone to maintain it

Are these not jobs? How is this not stimulative? Can someone opposed to this explain why? I haven’t heard a good argument against it accept for the talking heads on TV saying “that’s not jobs, that’s a pork barrel pet project.”

And as Obama said in his speech today, why wouldn’t we want to modernize the nation’s fleet of vehicles? Imagine replacing the entire fleet with fuel-efficient cars. Say they get 10mpg more than the current fleet of cars — how many billions in fuel costs would that save this country over a 5-10 year span, not to mention the manufacturing jobs that would be saved or created by such a large order?

I just can’t for the life of me understand why any rational person would see the modernization of our nation’s fleet as bad for this country. Can anyone explain this to me? I am genuinely curious.

[afx114]

And what’s all this theatrical outrage over the national mall’s lawn? Would you not have to do the following:

– rent or purchase machinery to prepare the soil
– hire someone to prepare the soil
– purchase irrigation parts from suppliers (hopefully not Chinese)
– purchase sod from a farmer
– purchase fertilizer (also from a farmer?)
– pay a trucker to ship the sod/fertilizer/irrigation parts to the mall
– hire irrigation installers
– hire someone to lay the sod
– hire someone to maintain it

Are these not jobs? How is this not stimulative? Can someone opposed to this explain why? I haven’t heard a good argument against it accept for the talking heads on TV saying “that’s not jobs, that’s a pork barrel pet project.”

And as Obama said in his speech today, why wouldn’t we want to modernize the nation’s fleet of vehicles? Imagine replacing the entire fleet with fuel-efficient cars. Say they get 10mpg more than the current fleet of cars — how many billions in fuel costs would that save this country over a 5-10 year span, not to mention the manufacturing jobs that would be saved or created by such a large order?

I just can’t for the life of me understand why any rational person would see the modernization of our nation’s fleet as bad for this country. Can anyone explain this to me? I am genuinely curious.

[ralphfurley]

Only Ron Paul would have had the balls to do what is needed. Cutting federal government, get us out of the war, and restoring civil liberties. Hmmm… Nadar might have done that too.

Some time medicine doesn’t go down easy, but you gotta drink it. We’ll taste some real pain at some point. The question is, when?

[ralphfurley]

Only Ron Paul would have had the balls to do what is needed. Cutting federal government, get us out of the war, and restoring civil liberties. Hmmm… Nadar might have done that too.

Some time medicine doesn’t go down easy, but you gotta drink it. We’ll taste some real pain at some point. The question is, when?

[ralphfurley]

Only Ron Paul would have had the balls to do what is needed. Cutting federal government, get us out of the war, and restoring civil liberties. Hmmm… Nadar might have done that too.

Some time medicine doesn’t go down easy, but you gotta drink it. We’ll taste some real pain at some point. The question is, when?

[ralphfurley]

Only Ron Paul would have had the balls to do what is needed. Cutting federal government, get us out of the war, and restoring civil liberties. Hmmm… Nadar might have done that too.

Some time medicine doesn’t go down easy, but you gotta drink it. We’ll taste some real pain at some point. The question is, when?

[ralphfurley]

Only Ron Paul would have had the balls to do what is needed. Cutting federal government, get us out of the war, and restoring civil liberties. Hmmm… Nadar might have done that too.

Some time medicine doesn’t go down easy, but you gotta drink it. We’ll taste some real pain at some point. The question is, when?

[barnaby33]

socrattt, your post was a rant of the type that pops up quite often here. It starts out with a rational observation/premise then decends into a diatribe.

Nobody can long focus on the housing bubble and not come to realize its a credit bubble with a housing symptom. Furthermore you can’t understand the credit bubble unless you get off your fixation on high RE prices and explore other bubbles.

As to Obama, remember it was a binary choice. I voted for him not because I had much hope, but because the other guy was worse. Your simple minded view of politics says a lot, but none of it has much to do with your initial premise which was that this site has morphed from just being about RE, to being about the wider bubbled out world we live in.

I for one am glad for that expansion.

Josh

[barnaby33]

socrattt, your post was a rant of the type that pops up quite often here. It starts out with a rational observation/premise then decends into a diatribe.

Nobody can long focus on the housing bubble and not come to realize its a credit bubble with a housing symptom. Furthermore you can’t understand the credit bubble unless you get off your fixation on high RE prices and explore other bubbles.

As to Obama, remember it was a binary choice. I voted for him not because I had much hope, but because the other guy was worse. Your simple minded view of politics says a lot, but none of it has much to do with your initial premise which was that this site has morphed from just being about RE, to being about the wider bubbled out world we live in.

I for one am glad for that expansion.

Josh

[barnaby33]

socrattt, your post was a rant of the type that pops up quite often here. It starts out with a rational observation/premise then decends into a diatribe.

Nobody can long focus on the housing bubble and not come to realize its a credit bubble with a housing symptom. Furthermore you can’t understand the credit bubble unless you get off your fixation on high RE prices and explore other bubbles.

As to Obama, remember it was a binary choice. I voted for him not because I had much hope, but because the other guy was worse. Your simple minded view of politics says a lot, but none of it has much to do with your initial premise which was that this site has morphed from just being about RE, to being about the wider bubbled out world we live in.

I for one am glad for that expansion.

Josh

[barnaby33]

socrattt, your post was a rant of the type that pops up quite often here. It starts out with a rational observation/premise then decends into a diatribe.

Nobody can long focus on the housing bubble and not come to realize its a credit bubble with a housing symptom. Furthermore you can’t understand the credit bubble unless you get off your fixation on high RE prices and explore other bubbles.

As to Obama, remember it was a binary choice. I voted for him not because I had much hope, but because the other guy was worse. Your simple minded view of politics says a lot, but none of it has much to do with your initial premise which was that this site has morphed from just being about RE, to being about the wider bubbled out world we live in.

I for one am glad for that expansion.

Josh

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