huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

[CA renter]

Thanks for posting his thoughts, sdr.

This “list” thing is not what I’ve heard about from relatives who live in “socialist” countries; though it’s been a few years since discussing it with them. Maybe it’s changed in the past few years. If it’s not imperative to get treatment right away, you might have to wait a bit, but if it’s an emergency, they are treated in the same manner/timeframe as patients treated here. Of course, there are variations between countries.

In the U.S., the hospitals are only obligated to treat people (for free) in the ER if it’s a life-or-death situation, or if they are seriously injured or sick; they only have to “stabilize” them. Trying to get follow-up care is the tricky part, and if an expensive procedure or treatment is needed, good luck with that.

Nonetheless, your friend’s input is very much appreciated. Enjoy your visit!

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

In the U.S., the hospitals are only obligated to treat people (for free) in the ER if it’s a life-or-death situation, or if they are seriously injured or sick; they only have to “stabilize” them. Trying to get follow-up care is the tricky part, and if an expensive procedure or treatment is needed, good luck with that.[/quote]

this is a system that emphasize emergent heroics, but let millions lapse in fundamental preventives. in essence, we won’t let you die, but we’ll make you live in misery.

I wonder what your friend’s take is in regard to Big Pharma’s ability to lobby doctors relentlessly on the latest (therefore most expensive) treatments available, and the full force of sharply dressed and fully “enhanced” drug reps that can follow up their lobbying efforts with full data regarding targeted doctor’s prescribing habits. (yes, I’m referring to D-cupped drug reps sitting next to nerdy docs asking, “But Dr. Smith, why didn’t you prescribe more Lipitor last month??? You Promised!!!”)

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

In the U.S., the hospitals are only obligated to treat people (for free) in the ER if it’s a life-or-death situation, or if they are seriously injured or sick; they only have to “stabilize” them. Trying to get follow-up care is the tricky part, and if an expensive procedure or treatment is needed, good luck with that.[/quote]

this is a system that emphasize emergent heroics, but let millions lapse in fundamental preventives. in essence, we won’t let you die, but we’ll make you live in misery.

I wonder what your friend’s take is in regard to Big Pharma’s ability to lobby doctors relentlessly on the latest (therefore most expensive) treatments available, and the full force of sharply dressed and fully “enhanced” drug reps that can follow up their lobbying efforts with full data regarding targeted doctor’s prescribing habits. (yes, I’m referring to D-cupped drug reps sitting next to nerdy docs asking, “But Dr. Smith, why didn’t you prescribe more Lipitor last month??? You Promised!!!”)

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

In the U.S., the hospitals are only obligated to treat people (for free) in the ER if it’s a life-or-death situation, or if they are seriously injured or sick; they only have to “stabilize” them. Trying to get follow-up care is the tricky part, and if an expensive procedure or treatment is needed, good luck with that.[/quote]

this is a system that emphasize emergent heroics, but let millions lapse in fundamental preventives. in essence, we won’t let you die, but we’ll make you live in misery.

I wonder what your friend’s take is in regard to Big Pharma’s ability to lobby doctors relentlessly on the latest (therefore most expensive) treatments available, and the full force of sharply dressed and fully “enhanced” drug reps that can follow up their lobbying efforts with full data regarding targeted doctor’s prescribing habits. (yes, I’m referring to D-cupped drug reps sitting next to nerdy docs asking, “But Dr. Smith, why didn’t you prescribe more Lipitor last month??? You Promised!!!”)

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

In the U.S., the hospitals are only obligated to treat people (for free) in the ER if it’s a life-or-death situation, or if they are seriously injured or sick; they only have to “stabilize” them. Trying to get follow-up care is the tricky part, and if an expensive procedure or treatment is needed, good luck with that.[/quote]

this is a system that emphasize emergent heroics, but let millions lapse in fundamental preventives. in essence, we won’t let you die, but we’ll make you live in misery.

I wonder what your friend’s take is in regard to Big Pharma’s ability to lobby doctors relentlessly on the latest (therefore most expensive) treatments available, and the full force of sharply dressed and fully “enhanced” drug reps that can follow up their lobbying efforts with full data regarding targeted doctor’s prescribing habits. (yes, I’m referring to D-cupped drug reps sitting next to nerdy docs asking, “But Dr. Smith, why didn’t you prescribe more Lipitor last month??? You Promised!!!”)

[ocrenter]

[quote=CA renter]

In the U.S., the hospitals are only obligated to treat people (for free) in the ER if it’s a life-or-death situation, or if they are seriously injured or sick; they only have to “stabilize” them. Trying to get follow-up care is the tricky part, and if an expensive procedure or treatment is needed, good luck with that.[/quote]

this is a system that emphasize emergent heroics, but let millions lapse in fundamental preventives. in essence, we won’t let you die, but we’ll make you live in misery.

I wonder what your friend’s take is in regard to Big Pharma’s ability to lobby doctors relentlessly on the latest (therefore most expensive) treatments available, and the full force of sharply dressed and fully “enhanced” drug reps that can follow up their lobbying efforts with full data regarding targeted doctor’s prescribing habits. (yes, I’m referring to D-cupped drug reps sitting next to nerdy docs asking, “But Dr. Smith, why didn’t you prescribe more Lipitor last month??? You Promised!!!”)

[jpinpb]

ocr – you mean double D.

If only it were an exaggeration. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve gone to a doctor who wanted to prescribe me meds — without even a confirmed diagnosis.

[jpinpb]

ocr – you mean double D.

If only it were an exaggeration. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve gone to a doctor who wanted to prescribe me meds — without even a confirmed diagnosis.

[jpinpb]

ocr – you mean double D.

If only it were an exaggeration. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve gone to a doctor who wanted to prescribe me meds — without even a confirmed diagnosis.

[jpinpb]

ocr – you mean double D.

If only it were an exaggeration. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve gone to a doctor who wanted to prescribe me meds — without even a confirmed diagnosis.

[jpinpb]

ocr – you mean double D.

If only it were an exaggeration. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve gone to a doctor who wanted to prescribe me meds — without even a confirmed diagnosis.

[sdrealtor]

He is still here and sleeping. I try a few f/u questions so fire away asap if you can.

He did say emergent care did not matter in socialized medicine. If you need open heart surgery and will die if you dont get it in a week, well….you will die. Regarding the drug reps, if he was in the US he would likely be taking full advantage of their assets. However, in many countries diagnoses and drugs are often determined by wikipedia which while a vast improvement over the past is still very lacking and a major downgrade from what we have here. I’m sure he will laugh about it. But still the fact is as problematic, expensive and imperfect as our system is, it remains far and away the best in the world. In many countries seeing a doctor is something most people simply have no access to.

[sdrealtor]

He is still here and sleeping. I try a few f/u questions so fire away asap if you can.

He did say emergent care did not matter in socialized medicine. If you need open heart surgery and will die if you dont get it in a week, well….you will die. Regarding the drug reps, if he was in the US he would likely be taking full advantage of their assets. However, in many countries diagnoses and drugs are often determined by wikipedia which while a vast improvement over the past is still very lacking and a major downgrade from what we have here. I’m sure he will laugh about it. But still the fact is as problematic, expensive and imperfect as our system is, it remains far and away the best in the world. In many countries seeing a doctor is something most people simply have no access to.

[sdrealtor]

He is still here and sleeping. I try a few f/u questions so fire away asap if you can.

He did say emergent care did not matter in socialized medicine. If you need open heart surgery and will die if you dont get it in a week, well….you will die. Regarding the drug reps, if he was in the US he would likely be taking full advantage of their assets. However, in many countries diagnoses and drugs are often determined by wikipedia which while a vast improvement over the past is still very lacking and a major downgrade from what we have here. I’m sure he will laugh about it. But still the fact is as problematic, expensive and imperfect as our system is, it remains far and away the best in the world. In many countries seeing a doctor is something most people simply have no access to.

[sdrealtor]

He is still here and sleeping. I try a few f/u questions so fire away asap if you can.

He did say emergent care did not matter in socialized medicine. If you need open heart surgery and will die if you dont get it in a week, well….you will die. Regarding the drug reps, if he was in the US he would likely be taking full advantage of their assets. However, in many countries diagnoses and drugs are often determined by wikipedia which while a vast improvement over the past is still very lacking and a major downgrade from what we have here. I’m sure he will laugh about it. But still the fact is as problematic, expensive and imperfect as our system is, it remains far and away the best in the world. In many countries seeing a doctor is something most people simply have no access to.

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