huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

[eavesdropper]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=jpinpb]

I’m sure there must be some study out there on this, whether certain foods raise serotonin levels. I bet eating an apple or an apricot won’t do it, but chocolate cake would.

I mean, certain food are comforting, right? I can understand if there’s a chemical reaction when eating certain foods that cause people to be happy and they don’t care about their weight, b/c, well, they’re happy.[/quote]

it is well known that fat and carbs drive up the serotonin level in the system rapidly.

of course, that increase is very short lived and the level falls quickly as well. this means instead of a cookie, you got to go for the second. but after the second, you need to go for the third… so on and so forth…

this is the same pattern that leads to narcotic addiction. The high created by the narcs are very short lived, the low then create the need to seek out more narcs to get back to the high. this is why sugar and fat are so addictive.

except instead of narcotics, sugar and fat are cheap, they are everywhere, and they are offered with a smile and often with a toy to children everywhere.[/quote]

jp, your observation that food = happiness is an astute one. The role of emotions in overeating has been studied extensively for many years by the world’s leading researchers in obesity medicine. There’s a huge body (no pun intended) of work on this topic available in the medical literature. The treatment of obesity, and its underlying causes, is incredibly complex and difficult. In my opinion, within 10 years it will be the most challenging health issue we will be facing as a nation, both medically and economically.

That being said, it is not likely that your husband went gaga over his chocolate cake because of rapidly rising serotonin levels. Serotonin (that which is synthesized in the brain, or about 20% of the body’s total) is an endogenous neurotransmitter that plays an essential role in mood control, temp regulation, and sensory perception. Nerve cells in the brain pass messages to accomplish tasks related to these functions via chemical synapses with the help of serotonin. The sending (presynaptic) cell releases serotonin into the synaptic gap, whereupon receptors on the surface of the recipient (postsynaptic) cell “recognize” the serotonin and the messaging process is completed. Most of the serotonin is then returned to the presynaptic cell for recycling (reuptake). In some neuropsychological disorders (e.g., clinical depression), SSRIs like Prozac, Celexa, or Zoloft, are administered to prevent reuptake, causing serotonin to remain in the synaptic gap for longer period, ensuring repeated stimulation on the postsynaptic cell.

Serotonin is unable to cross the blood-brain barrier, so if your brain is in short supply, it cannot be administered directly like a drug, nor can you eat food that will directly synthesize serotonin. You can either take an SSRI med to make more efficient use of the existing supply, or you can switch to a diet high in complex carbohydrates in order to produce tryptophan, an amino acid that can cross the B-B barrier, and that is the precursor to serotonin. Fats are also necessary, however, they should be “healthy” fats, like omega-3s.

Keep in mind that there are other “brain chemicals” or neurotransmitters that can contribute to our reactions to experiences. While serotonin is essential to maintaining a level mood, dopamine is the chemical messenger that allows us to experience pleasure and pain. While this seems to be more of what you were describing in your husband’s cake experience, it’s unlikely that his dopamine levels are fluctuating to that point. Dopamine plays a huge role in drug, and other forms of, addiction. Cocaine and speed have an incredible effect on dopamine levels. Cocaine works like an SSRI: it prevents the reuptake of dopamine released from the postsynaptic cell, permitting more dopamine to remain in the synaptic gap and continue to stimulate the dopamine receptors on the postsynaptic cell.

As for chocolate cake consumption, it’s a much faster reaction than would occur with neurotransmitters alone. You’re dealing with simple carbs that have sugar molecules that break apart almost instantly and infuse the bloodstream. Simultaneously, the pancreas releases insulin which triggers the body’s cells to pull the glucose out of your blood and store it for future use. In some people (definitely not all), this process will cause a “rush” or burst of energy. However, it is soon followed by a “crash”: loss of blood glucose can cause extreme fatigue and loss of energy. Many people feel the need to eat or drink something sweet to give them a “boost”, and the process just keeps repeating itself.

While increased insulin levels can cause serotonin levels to rise, it is typically not in levels high enough or long-lasting enough to cause a change in a depressed individual. If you are at all familiar with the antidepressant drugs on the market, you know that the patient usually has to wait at least two to six weeks to notice any improvement in their mood, and can frequently experience unpleasant side effects in the initial period. The reasons for this are numerous and complex, and related to the adaptation of multiple systems to changing neurotransmitter levels.

So I’m thinking that your husband liked the cake because is was just so f***ing good. Some absolutely normal people out there really get into their food, just like those who really get into music or art. Typically these are individuals who aren’t going to sit down and eat the whole cake at one sitting. Yes, there are certainly people out there – lots and lots – who have psychological issues with food, and many of them resort to eating to unbelieveably excessive levels. Sometimes it can be because they feel that everything in their lives is so out of control, and the food they choose to put into their mouths IS under their control (or so they think). Other times, people are feeling unloved, and certain foods can make them think of times when they were fed by people who loved them. Sometimes, they have inner emotions that are so destructive that they eat and eat, trying to smother them (similar to the expression that alcoholics are “drowning their sorrows”). To be sure, there is very often, a definite psychological reason under a case of obesity. And it’s my belief that the psychological and biological are very closely intertwined in may cases, and cannot be separated.

But as long as your husband’s weight remains at a reasonably healthy level (as per his doctor, not his opinion) and is getting sincere pleasure from exceptional food, I don’t think you have to worry.

[eavesdropper]

Clarification: Now as for chocolate, that is a whole other biochemical universe, and not one into which I am prepared to venture this early in the morning. But let’s just say that, where chocolate is concerned, one can expect long-standing laws of nature to be challenged.

[eavesdropper]

Clarification: Now as for chocolate, that is a whole other biochemical universe, and not one into which I am prepared to venture this early in the morning. But let’s just say that, where chocolate is concerned, one can expect long-standing laws of nature to be challenged.

[eavesdropper]

Clarification: Now as for chocolate, that is a whole other biochemical universe, and not one into which I am prepared to venture this early in the morning. But let’s just say that, where chocolate is concerned, one can expect long-standing laws of nature to be challenged.

[eavesdropper]

Clarification: Now as for chocolate, that is a whole other biochemical universe, and not one into which I am prepared to venture this early in the morning. But let’s just say that, where chocolate is concerned, one can expect long-standing laws of nature to be challenged.

[eavesdropper]

Clarification: Now as for chocolate, that is a whole other biochemical universe, and not one into which I am prepared to venture this early in the morning. But let’s just say that, where chocolate is concerned, one can expect long-standing laws of nature to be challenged.

[jpinpb]

LOL. eavesdropper – Thanks for that very lengthy explanation. If there isn’t a connection between food and chemical reaction in one’s body, then I am at a loss to explain his happiness. But as I was reading your first post, I was thinking maybe the chocolate had something to do w/it. Then you posted the second post about chocolate.

There must be something that happens from the time your taste buds get the flavor of certain foods that triggers something in the brain. Your explanation was detailed, yet I still think there’s more to it other than people just willfully and knowingly eating badly or lacking will-power.

Certain foods seem much more satisfying than others that are lacking nutrients. Probably more nutrients in an apple than chocolate cake.

[jpinpb]

LOL. eavesdropper – Thanks for that very lengthy explanation. If there isn’t a connection between food and chemical reaction in one’s body, then I am at a loss to explain his happiness. But as I was reading your first post, I was thinking maybe the chocolate had something to do w/it. Then you posted the second post about chocolate.

There must be something that happens from the time your taste buds get the flavor of certain foods that triggers something in the brain. Your explanation was detailed, yet I still think there’s more to it other than people just willfully and knowingly eating badly or lacking will-power.

Certain foods seem much more satisfying than others that are lacking nutrients. Probably more nutrients in an apple than chocolate cake.

[jpinpb]

LOL. eavesdropper – Thanks for that very lengthy explanation. If there isn’t a connection between food and chemical reaction in one’s body, then I am at a loss to explain his happiness. But as I was reading your first post, I was thinking maybe the chocolate had something to do w/it. Then you posted the second post about chocolate.

There must be something that happens from the time your taste buds get the flavor of certain foods that triggers something in the brain. Your explanation was detailed, yet I still think there’s more to it other than people just willfully and knowingly eating badly or lacking will-power.

Certain foods seem much more satisfying than others that are lacking nutrients. Probably more nutrients in an apple than chocolate cake.

[jpinpb]

LOL. eavesdropper – Thanks for that very lengthy explanation. If there isn’t a connection between food and chemical reaction in one’s body, then I am at a loss to explain his happiness. But as I was reading your first post, I was thinking maybe the chocolate had something to do w/it. Then you posted the second post about chocolate.

There must be something that happens from the time your taste buds get the flavor of certain foods that triggers something in the brain. Your explanation was detailed, yet I still think there’s more to it other than people just willfully and knowingly eating badly or lacking will-power.

Certain foods seem much more satisfying than others that are lacking nutrients. Probably more nutrients in an apple than chocolate cake.

[jpinpb]

LOL. eavesdropper – Thanks for that very lengthy explanation. If there isn’t a connection between food and chemical reaction in one’s body, then I am at a loss to explain his happiness. But as I was reading your first post, I was thinking maybe the chocolate had something to do w/it. Then you posted the second post about chocolate.

There must be something that happens from the time your taste buds get the flavor of certain foods that triggers something in the brain. Your explanation was detailed, yet I still think there’s more to it other than people just willfully and knowingly eating badly or lacking will-power.

Certain foods seem much more satisfying than others that are lacking nutrients. Probably more nutrients in an apple than chocolate cake.

[briansd1]

eavesdropper, I always enjoy your posts.

As you said the biological cannot be separated from the psychological.

I would add the cultural element also. Food is mostly cultural.

I’ve traveled around the world and I’ve observed people eat. Comfort food can mean different things to different cultures. Here in America, it’s starchy fatty stuff.

Food also need to be climate appropriate. The Western diet was developed for cold climates where people had to survive winters without heat.

Now we have central heat and A/C so we don’t need such calorie dense food.

Let me give you an example of the cultural aspect. In Thailand, people would choose an Apple or strawberries over a piece cake. Why? Because apples and strawberries have to be imported and are expensive over there.

The western diet is associated with wealth by the poor world. So, as they grow rich, they want to emulate our eating habits.

Packaged food is mostly carbs, sugar and salt.

Since you are around the university, you could take some hyphenated-American students and compare them to some newly arrived foreign students of the same ethnicity.

My bet is that American students are fatter and love brownies and milkshake whereas the foreign students don’t care for that kind of food.

[briansd1]

eavesdropper, I always enjoy your posts.

As you said the biological cannot be separated from the psychological.

I would add the cultural element also. Food is mostly cultural.

I’ve traveled around the world and I’ve observed people eat. Comfort food can mean different things to different cultures. Here in America, it’s starchy fatty stuff.

Food also need to be climate appropriate. The Western diet was developed for cold climates where people had to survive winters without heat.

Now we have central heat and A/C so we don’t need such calorie dense food.

Let me give you an example of the cultural aspect. In Thailand, people would choose an Apple or strawberries over a piece cake. Why? Because apples and strawberries have to be imported and are expensive over there.

The western diet is associated with wealth by the poor world. So, as they grow rich, they want to emulate our eating habits.

Packaged food is mostly carbs, sugar and salt.

Since you are around the university, you could take some hyphenated-American students and compare them to some newly arrived foreign students of the same ethnicity.

My bet is that American students are fatter and love brownies and milkshake whereas the foreign students don’t care for that kind of food.

[briansd1]

eavesdropper, I always enjoy your posts.

As you said the biological cannot be separated from the psychological.

I would add the cultural element also. Food is mostly cultural.

I’ve traveled around the world and I’ve observed people eat. Comfort food can mean different things to different cultures. Here in America, it’s starchy fatty stuff.

Food also need to be climate appropriate. The Western diet was developed for cold climates where people had to survive winters without heat.

Now we have central heat and A/C so we don’t need such calorie dense food.

Let me give you an example of the cultural aspect. In Thailand, people would choose an Apple or strawberries over a piece cake. Why? Because apples and strawberries have to be imported and are expensive over there.

The western diet is associated with wealth by the poor world. So, as they grow rich, they want to emulate our eating habits.

Packaged food is mostly carbs, sugar and salt.

Since you are around the university, you could take some hyphenated-American students and compare them to some newly arrived foreign students of the same ethnicity.

My bet is that American students are fatter and love brownies and milkshake whereas the foreign students don’t care for that kind of food.

[briansd1]

eavesdropper, I always enjoy your posts.

As you said the biological cannot be separated from the psychological.

I would add the cultural element also. Food is mostly cultural.

I’ve traveled around the world and I’ve observed people eat. Comfort food can mean different things to different cultures. Here in America, it’s starchy fatty stuff.

Food also need to be climate appropriate. The Western diet was developed for cold climates where people had to survive winters without heat.

Now we have central heat and A/C so we don’t need such calorie dense food.

Let me give you an example of the cultural aspect. In Thailand, people would choose an Apple or strawberries over a piece cake. Why? Because apples and strawberries have to be imported and are expensive over there.

The western diet is associated with wealth by the poor world. So, as they grow rich, they want to emulate our eating habits.

Packaged food is mostly carbs, sugar and salt.

Since you are around the university, you could take some hyphenated-American students and compare them to some newly arrived foreign students of the same ethnicity.

My bet is that American students are fatter and love brownies and milkshake whereas the foreign students don’t care for that kind of food.

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