huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

[briansd1]

[quote=jeeman]
Ever tried to help someone with what they eat? It produces just as much conflict as politics and religion.[/quote]

Food is very emotional and cultural.

We have to look at it scientifically.

I tell friends and relatives that we’ll know who is right when we turn 50 then 80.

At 50, he who looks best wins.

At 80, he who is healthiest and still going strong wins.

[quote=Operation]
Meat & dairy consumption, is simply not sustainable for both our waists, health and environment. For eons, we have lived off fruits, vegetables and grains with the occasional grilled animal.[/quote]

I agree. That’s the best way to live a long healthy life.

Vegetarians who eat gluten and processed food are however not helping themselves.

The simple solution is to not eat any processed food of any kind (maybe occasionally at gatherings with friends and family).

[bubba99]

Recently I returned from a few weeks in the far north of Thailand. I spent my time in small farming villages and I ate as normal, but “native” foods. Fresh foods, not frozen or in anyway enhanced. Imagine my surprise when I returned to the US, and my uniforms were now a size too big.

Could be many reasons, but I believe that the food we are eating in America is killing us. The salt, calories, antibiotics, genetically engineered food, and growth hormones are all contributing to us getting fat. The goal of the food producers is not to grow health items, but the cheapest, most profitable crap we will buy. Any side effect of hormones like increased appetite is just a plus to them.

[bubba99]

Recently I returned from a few weeks in the far north of Thailand. I spent my time in small farming villages and I ate as normal, but “native” foods. Fresh foods, not frozen or in anyway enhanced. Imagine my surprise when I returned to the US, and my uniforms were now a size too big.

Could be many reasons, but I believe that the food we are eating in America is killing us. The salt, calories, antibiotics, genetically engineered food, and growth hormones are all contributing to us getting fat. The goal of the food producers is not to grow health items, but the cheapest, most profitable crap we will buy. Any side effect of hormones like increased appetite is just a plus to them.

[bubba99]

Recently I returned from a few weeks in the far north of Thailand. I spent my time in small farming villages and I ate as normal, but “native” foods. Fresh foods, not frozen or in anyway enhanced. Imagine my surprise when I returned to the US, and my uniforms were now a size too big.

Could be many reasons, but I believe that the food we are eating in America is killing us. The salt, calories, antibiotics, genetically engineered food, and growth hormones are all contributing to us getting fat. The goal of the food producers is not to grow health items, but the cheapest, most profitable crap we will buy. Any side effect of hormones like increased appetite is just a plus to them.

[bubba99]

Recently I returned from a few weeks in the far north of Thailand. I spent my time in small farming villages and I ate as normal, but “native” foods. Fresh foods, not frozen or in anyway enhanced. Imagine my surprise when I returned to the US, and my uniforms were now a size too big.

Could be many reasons, but I believe that the food we are eating in America is killing us. The salt, calories, antibiotics, genetically engineered food, and growth hormones are all contributing to us getting fat. The goal of the food producers is not to grow health items, but the cheapest, most profitable crap we will buy. Any side effect of hormones like increased appetite is just a plus to them.

[bubba99]

Recently I returned from a few weeks in the far north of Thailand. I spent my time in small farming villages and I ate as normal, but “native” foods. Fresh foods, not frozen or in anyway enhanced. Imagine my surprise when I returned to the US, and my uniforms were now a size too big.

Could be many reasons, but I believe that the food we are eating in America is killing us. The salt, calories, antibiotics, genetically engineered food, and growth hormones are all contributing to us getting fat. The goal of the food producers is not to grow health items, but the cheapest, most profitable crap we will buy. Any side effect of hormones like increased appetite is just a plus to them.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]

so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]

Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]

so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]

Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]

so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]

Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]

so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]

Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.

[weberlin]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]

Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]

so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]

Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Operation]It’s all about meat.

I’m down 15lbs since end of March. I cut out meat & dairy & basically went Vegan for 30 days. I still have fish & eggs on occasion and am now pretty much a Vegetarian.

I just started hitting the free weights & cardio in the gym the last 2 weeks.

I feel & look lighter, leaner and have more energy. One thing I think many posters have ignored is the rise in meat consumption (fast or not) is directly tied to the rise in obesity:

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2009/wang_meat_consumption_obesity

The rise in meat consumption, particularly pork & diary in various parts of Asia has more to do with rising incomes than the prevalence of Western fast food.

“Beef, it’s what’s for dinner” and lunch, and breakfast…

Meat & dairy consumption, is simply not sustainable for both our waists, health and environment. For eons, we have lived off fruits, vegetables and grains with the occasional grilled animal.[/quote]

What if it’s all been a big-fat lie?

Again, if someone wants to eat Vegan more power to them, I admire their courage to have to eat like that day in and day out. But to suggest it would help or benefit everyone is crap. Good Calories/Bad Calories by Taubes is also an excellent source if you want to see the Govt./Food industry collaboration over the last 50 years.

I personally have way more energy and feel significantly lighter when I’ve avoided carbs for a few days. I also sleep better.

The difference between you and me is that I don’t talk about my way being best for everyone.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Operation]It’s all about meat.

I’m down 15lbs since end of March. I cut out meat & dairy & basically went Vegan for 30 days. I still have fish & eggs on occasion and am now pretty much a Vegetarian.

I just started hitting the free weights & cardio in the gym the last 2 weeks.

I feel & look lighter, leaner and have more energy. One thing I think many posters have ignored is the rise in meat consumption (fast or not) is directly tied to the rise in obesity:

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2009/wang_meat_consumption_obesity

The rise in meat consumption, particularly pork & diary in various parts of Asia has more to do with rising incomes than the prevalence of Western fast food.

“Beef, it’s what’s for dinner” and lunch, and breakfast…

Meat & dairy consumption, is simply not sustainable for both our waists, health and environment. For eons, we have lived off fruits, vegetables and grains with the occasional grilled animal.[/quote]

What if it’s all been a big-fat lie?

Again, if someone wants to eat Vegan more power to them, I admire their courage to have to eat like that day in and day out. But to suggest it would help or benefit everyone is crap. Good Calories/Bad Calories by Taubes is also an excellent source if you want to see the Govt./Food industry collaboration over the last 50 years.

I personally have way more energy and feel significantly lighter when I’ve avoided carbs for a few days. I also sleep better.

The difference between you and me is that I don’t talk about my way being best for everyone.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Operation]It’s all about meat.

I’m down 15lbs since end of March. I cut out meat & dairy & basically went Vegan for 30 days. I still have fish & eggs on occasion and am now pretty much a Vegetarian.

I just started hitting the free weights & cardio in the gym the last 2 weeks.

I feel & look lighter, leaner and have more energy. One thing I think many posters have ignored is the rise in meat consumption (fast or not) is directly tied to the rise in obesity:

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2009/wang_meat_consumption_obesity

The rise in meat consumption, particularly pork & diary in various parts of Asia has more to do with rising incomes than the prevalence of Western fast food.

“Beef, it’s what’s for dinner” and lunch, and breakfast…

Meat & dairy consumption, is simply not sustainable for both our waists, health and environment. For eons, we have lived off fruits, vegetables and grains with the occasional grilled animal.[/quote]

What if it’s all been a big-fat lie?

Again, if someone wants to eat Vegan more power to them, I admire their courage to have to eat like that day in and day out. But to suggest it would help or benefit everyone is crap. Good Calories/Bad Calories by Taubes is also an excellent source if you want to see the Govt./Food industry collaboration over the last 50 years.

I personally have way more energy and feel significantly lighter when I’ve avoided carbs for a few days. I also sleep better.

The difference between you and me is that I don’t talk about my way being best for everyone.

[CardiffBaseball]

[quote=Operation]It’s all about meat.

I’m down 15lbs since end of March. I cut out meat & dairy & basically went Vegan for 30 days. I still have fish & eggs on occasion and am now pretty much a Vegetarian.

I just started hitting the free weights & cardio in the gym the last 2 weeks.

I feel & look lighter, leaner and have more energy. One thing I think many posters have ignored is the rise in meat consumption (fast or not) is directly tied to the rise in obesity:

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2009/wang_meat_consumption_obesity

The rise in meat consumption, particularly pork & diary in various parts of Asia has more to do with rising incomes than the prevalence of Western fast food.

“Beef, it’s what’s for dinner” and lunch, and breakfast…

Meat & dairy consumption, is simply not sustainable for both our waists, health and environment. For eons, we have lived off fruits, vegetables and grains with the occasional grilled animal.[/quote]

What if it’s all been a big-fat lie?

Again, if someone wants to eat Vegan more power to them, I admire their courage to have to eat like that day in and day out. But to suggest it would help or benefit everyone is crap. Good Calories/Bad Calories by Taubes is also an excellent source if you want to see the Govt./Food industry collaboration over the last 50 years.

I personally have way more energy and feel significantly lighter when I’ve avoided carbs for a few days. I also sleep better.

The difference between you and me is that I don’t talk about my way being best for everyone.

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