how much is he worth?

[admin]

For those of you who are realtors, brokers or just know the business, I’d appreciate your help. Here’s my question: How much can an aggresive, top-notch mortgate loan officer earn in today’s market? The location would be Arizona.

My ex has filed a motion for a court hearing to have my child support and alimony lowered. Reason: He was just cut-off from private disability insurance in which he was being paid $5,600 a month and now has “zero” income.

He was going to appeal his insurance company’s decision but decided that he “can’t fight these people”. So, he tells me he’s now looking for work. His last successful career before he went out on disability was that of a mortgage loan officer. His 2003 income tax statement shows he made $155,000 that year. He worked for E-trade financial in Orange County and he was one of their top loan officers (judging from his last year of earnings). A yearly income of $155k is what I’m asking the judge to impute to my ex. Howevever, I’m being told this is not realistic in today’s market. So, for those of you “in the know” tell me what IS realistic?

He resides in Arizona. I live in Murrieta.

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

forgot to add: if the ex wins I’m gonna be crying like a baby as I recently graduated with my degree and haven’t secured a position in my field yet. I’m presently earning the pitiful salary of a substitute teacher as this job affords me the flexibility of not working the days I am offered interviews on.

I’m very worried that the declining market in relation to the ex’s career won’t bode well for me at the hearing. 🙁

[Alex_angel]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

[Coronita]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

 

I think the person is trying to get started in her career. Also, if you are a single parent, you'll quickly notice that being a parent doesn't give you the necessary freedom to take as many risks and do whatever the hell you want at any instance of time. I'm sure it's not an easy task, especially if you are dedicated to being a good parent. 

[raptorduck]

If he has a good lawyer, he should be able to convince the court to (i) discount the $155k due to current market conditions and employability of that job title, (ii) consider the fact he has not worked in that job for a while and may have to take a step down salary wise to get back in, and (iii) wait until he finds a job before setting support and award his request for a reduction until then. He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.

DISCLAIMER: The above ramblings do not constitute legal advice of any kind and are not intended to solicit or imply any kind of attorney-client relationship or legal service rendered.

[kev374]

On Suze Orman they had a Real Estate professional who stated that last year she made $136,000 and this year she is breaking $40,000 if she is lucky. The market has changed drastically.

While I am for child support I think alimony is a ridiculous concept, but that is another story anyway!

[sandiego]

What is a disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?

[Anonymous]

“what is the disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?”

Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.

“He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.”

I guess the judge can and that’s what I’m afraid of. I have been searching since I graduated. I have the applications and rejection letters to prove it.

Thanks for all responses. To some of you, he wasn’t a mortgage broker, but rather a “mortgage loan officer” that worked for a large, well-known company.

note: We’ve been divorced and he’s being paying child support and alimony since then. He recently asked for a hearing to have it reduced since his private disability insurance cut him off. Neither of us have lawyers. I should get one.

[NotCranky]

“Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.”

I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.

[nostradamus]

Yes you need to get a lawyer. I don’t like running to lawyers for every little thing but in this case it is clear that you’ll be needing one. Why don’t you have one already? Are you trying to be “nice”? This is your child’s future on the line, f*** being nice. If he had custody I’d tell him to do the same.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! (lawyers heh heh)

[nostradamus]

Yes you need to get a lawyer. I don’t like running to lawyers for every little thing but in this case it is clear that you’ll be needing one. Why don’t you have one already? Are you trying to be “nice”? This is your child’s future on the line, f*** being nice. If he had custody I’d tell him to do the same.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! (lawyers heh heh)

[nostradamus]

Yes you need to get a lawyer. I don’t like running to lawyers for every little thing but in this case it is clear that you’ll be needing one. Why don’t you have one already? Are you trying to be “nice”? This is your child’s future on the line, f*** being nice. If he had custody I’d tell him to do the same.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! (lawyers heh heh)

[nostradamus]

Yes you need to get a lawyer. I don’t like running to lawyers for every little thing but in this case it is clear that you’ll be needing one. Why don’t you have one already? Are you trying to be “nice”? This is your child’s future on the line, f*** being nice. If he had custody I’d tell him to do the same.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! (lawyers heh heh)

[nostradamus]

Yes you need to get a lawyer. I don’t like running to lawyers for every little thing but in this case it is clear that you’ll be needing one. Why don’t you have one already? Are you trying to be “nice”? This is your child’s future on the line, f*** being nice. If he had custody I’d tell him to do the same.

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! (lawyers heh heh)

[Anonymous]

“I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.”

Rustico, yes it is a hoax. At the height of the refinance boom, E-trade financial changed their compensation plan resulting in a reduction of profits for their loan officers. According to my ex, E-trade became greedy and felt the loan officers were making too much. The ex was furious. Therefore, my assumption is the ex went out on a “fake” disability claim so he could sit at home and collect $5,600 per month for doing nothing. Nice.

This is beside the point, but during the 3 years my ex collected this sum every month, he went to Cuba (his dad lives there) and “bought” a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he’s 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country. I’m serious.

Anyway, I have subpoened all “records and conversations” from his private disability company to be presented at the hearing.

As far as assets, I have no idea what he’s hiding. I have subpoened bank statements for the last 3 years for the upcoming hearing as well. Oh, he just bought a brand new house in July/Auguust of this year. It is in Arizona where he now resides. I did some checking, the house is in his name only. No surprises there. The new wife is now making money. The ex listed her income as $2k per month from a daycare business she is running out of their (I mean his) new home.

Throughout the whole divorce proceedings, I did not retain counsel. The ex convinced me neither of us needed a lawyer (although he had one on consultation at all times…). Due to the ex’s character, for me to not hire a lawyer was tantamount to bringing a knife to a gun fight. I was beyond stupid.

[bsrsharma]

"bought" a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he's 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country.

Couldn't you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.

[Anonymous]

“Couldn’t you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.”

Had I been smart, I would have. She went into the marriage willingly. Naturally, she would have done anything to get out of Cuba. Now they have a 6-month-old daughter, and of course, the ex is using that as a hardship excuse even though his new wife brings in 2k per month with the in-home daycare business. Go figure. This is beside the point, but the thought that my two boys might end up like their father is my WORST nightmare.

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us “American b*tches”.

[Anonymous]

“Couldn’t you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.”

Had I been smart, I would have. She went into the marriage willingly. Naturally, she would have done anything to get out of Cuba. Now they have a 6-month-old daughter, and of course, the ex is using that as a hardship excuse even though his new wife brings in 2k per month with the in-home daycare business. Go figure. This is beside the point, but the thought that my two boys might end up like their father is my WORST nightmare.

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us “American b*tches”.

[Anonymous]

“Couldn’t you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.”

Had I been smart, I would have. She went into the marriage willingly. Naturally, she would have done anything to get out of Cuba. Now they have a 6-month-old daughter, and of course, the ex is using that as a hardship excuse even though his new wife brings in 2k per month with the in-home daycare business. Go figure. This is beside the point, but the thought that my two boys might end up like their father is my WORST nightmare.

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us “American b*tches”.

[Anonymous]

“Couldn’t you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.”

Had I been smart, I would have. She went into the marriage willingly. Naturally, she would have done anything to get out of Cuba. Now they have a 6-month-old daughter, and of course, the ex is using that as a hardship excuse even though his new wife brings in 2k per month with the in-home daycare business. Go figure. This is beside the point, but the thought that my two boys might end up like their father is my WORST nightmare.

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us “American b*tches”.

[Anonymous]

“Couldn’t you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.”

Had I been smart, I would have. She went into the marriage willingly. Naturally, she would have done anything to get out of Cuba. Now they have a 6-month-old daughter, and of course, the ex is using that as a hardship excuse even though his new wife brings in 2k per month with the in-home daycare business. Go figure. This is beside the point, but the thought that my two boys might end up like their father is my WORST nightmare.

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us “American b*tches”.

[bsrsharma]

"bought" a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he's 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country.

Couldn't you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.

[bsrsharma]

"bought" a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he's 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country.

Couldn't you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.

[bsrsharma]

"bought" a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he's 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country.

Couldn't you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.

[bsrsharma]

"bought" a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he's 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country.

Couldn't you have tipped off FBI about this Kidnapping? Also, there may be criminal laws aginst relationship with a minor (statutory rape or something). Men are prosecuted for such crimes against children all the time. Even the marriage may be void if she entered into it as a minor.

[mydogsarelazy]

Hi Marion,

I went through divorce six years ago, initiated by my wife while I was in a medical crisis.

I took the attitude “I am sick, let her have the $$$ she wants and I will use my energy to fight illness.” In a way, I had little choice due to my condition. I had to give up control.

In the end, my backing down allowed us to actually talk and things ended up relatively fairly. We have a daughter together and she is living with her Mom for a year, and this came about through an amiable discussion. The financial issues also were resolved, in the end, in a fair manner.

My point? The harder you fight, the harder he will fight, and more damage of all kinds will occur. The marriage is over, take the high road as best you can and that will make the future of your kids much easier. Don’t squabble over money. Hating each other over money is toxic.

I am healthy and re-married, and my bank account has more than recovered. I hope you also have such good luck ahead.

I am very sorry for the pain you are going through in divorce.

JS

[mydogsarelazy]

Hi Marion,

I went through divorce six years ago, initiated by my wife while I was in a medical crisis.

I took the attitude “I am sick, let her have the $$$ she wants and I will use my energy to fight illness.” In a way, I had little choice due to my condition. I had to give up control.

In the end, my backing down allowed us to actually talk and things ended up relatively fairly. We have a daughter together and she is living with her Mom for a year, and this came about through an amiable discussion. The financial issues also were resolved, in the end, in a fair manner.

My point? The harder you fight, the harder he will fight, and more damage of all kinds will occur. The marriage is over, take the high road as best you can and that will make the future of your kids much easier. Don’t squabble over money. Hating each other over money is toxic.

I am healthy and re-married, and my bank account has more than recovered. I hope you also have such good luck ahead.

I am very sorry for the pain you are going through in divorce.

JS

[mydogsarelazy]

Hi Marion,

I went through divorce six years ago, initiated by my wife while I was in a medical crisis.

I took the attitude “I am sick, let her have the $$$ she wants and I will use my energy to fight illness.” In a way, I had little choice due to my condition. I had to give up control.

In the end, my backing down allowed us to actually talk and things ended up relatively fairly. We have a daughter together and she is living with her Mom for a year, and this came about through an amiable discussion. The financial issues also were resolved, in the end, in a fair manner.

My point? The harder you fight, the harder he will fight, and more damage of all kinds will occur. The marriage is over, take the high road as best you can and that will make the future of your kids much easier. Don’t squabble over money. Hating each other over money is toxic.

I am healthy and re-married, and my bank account has more than recovered. I hope you also have such good luck ahead.

I am very sorry for the pain you are going through in divorce.

JS

[mydogsarelazy]

Hi Marion,

I went through divorce six years ago, initiated by my wife while I was in a medical crisis.

I took the attitude “I am sick, let her have the $$$ she wants and I will use my energy to fight illness.” In a way, I had little choice due to my condition. I had to give up control.

In the end, my backing down allowed us to actually talk and things ended up relatively fairly. We have a daughter together and she is living with her Mom for a year, and this came about through an amiable discussion. The financial issues also were resolved, in the end, in a fair manner.

My point? The harder you fight, the harder he will fight, and more damage of all kinds will occur. The marriage is over, take the high road as best you can and that will make the future of your kids much easier. Don’t squabble over money. Hating each other over money is toxic.

I am healthy and re-married, and my bank account has more than recovered. I hope you also have such good luck ahead.

I am very sorry for the pain you are going through in divorce.

JS

[mydogsarelazy]

Hi Marion,

I went through divorce six years ago, initiated by my wife while I was in a medical crisis.

I took the attitude “I am sick, let her have the $$$ she wants and I will use my energy to fight illness.” In a way, I had little choice due to my condition. I had to give up control.

In the end, my backing down allowed us to actually talk and things ended up relatively fairly. We have a daughter together and she is living with her Mom for a year, and this came about through an amiable discussion. The financial issues also were resolved, in the end, in a fair manner.

My point? The harder you fight, the harder he will fight, and more damage of all kinds will occur. The marriage is over, take the high road as best you can and that will make the future of your kids much easier. Don’t squabble over money. Hating each other over money is toxic.

I am healthy and re-married, and my bank account has more than recovered. I hope you also have such good luck ahead.

I am very sorry for the pain you are going through in divorce.

JS

[Ash Housewares]

Man I’m glad my wife works and has similar income. Alimony is a concept based on old ideas that just won’t die.

[Ash Housewares]

Man I’m glad my wife works and has similar income. Alimony is a concept based on old ideas that just won’t die.

[Ash Housewares]

Man I’m glad my wife works and has similar income. Alimony is a concept based on old ideas that just won’t die.

[Ash Housewares]

Man I’m glad my wife works and has similar income. Alimony is a concept based on old ideas that just won’t die.

[Ash Housewares]

Man I’m glad my wife works and has similar income. Alimony is a concept based on old ideas that just won’t die.

[Anonymous]

“I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.”

Rustico, yes it is a hoax. At the height of the refinance boom, E-trade financial changed their compensation plan resulting in a reduction of profits for their loan officers. According to my ex, E-trade became greedy and felt the loan officers were making too much. The ex was furious. Therefore, my assumption is the ex went out on a “fake” disability claim so he could sit at home and collect $5,600 per month for doing nothing. Nice.

This is beside the point, but during the 3 years my ex collected this sum every month, he went to Cuba (his dad lives there) and “bought” a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he’s 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country. I’m serious.

Anyway, I have subpoened all “records and conversations” from his private disability company to be presented at the hearing.

As far as assets, I have no idea what he’s hiding. I have subpoened bank statements for the last 3 years for the upcoming hearing as well. Oh, he just bought a brand new house in July/Auguust of this year. It is in Arizona where he now resides. I did some checking, the house is in his name only. No surprises there. The new wife is now making money. The ex listed her income as $2k per month from a daycare business she is running out of their (I mean his) new home.

Throughout the whole divorce proceedings, I did not retain counsel. The ex convinced me neither of us needed a lawyer (although he had one on consultation at all times…). Due to the ex’s character, for me to not hire a lawyer was tantamount to bringing a knife to a gun fight. I was beyond stupid.

[Anonymous]

“I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.”

Rustico, yes it is a hoax. At the height of the refinance boom, E-trade financial changed their compensation plan resulting in a reduction of profits for their loan officers. According to my ex, E-trade became greedy and felt the loan officers were making too much. The ex was furious. Therefore, my assumption is the ex went out on a “fake” disability claim so he could sit at home and collect $5,600 per month for doing nothing. Nice.

This is beside the point, but during the 3 years my ex collected this sum every month, he went to Cuba (his dad lives there) and “bought” a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he’s 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country. I’m serious.

Anyway, I have subpoened all “records and conversations” from his private disability company to be presented at the hearing.

As far as assets, I have no idea what he’s hiding. I have subpoened bank statements for the last 3 years for the upcoming hearing as well. Oh, he just bought a brand new house in July/Auguust of this year. It is in Arizona where he now resides. I did some checking, the house is in his name only. No surprises there. The new wife is now making money. The ex listed her income as $2k per month from a daycare business she is running out of their (I mean his) new home.

Throughout the whole divorce proceedings, I did not retain counsel. The ex convinced me neither of us needed a lawyer (although he had one on consultation at all times…). Due to the ex’s character, for me to not hire a lawyer was tantamount to bringing a knife to a gun fight. I was beyond stupid.

[Anonymous]

“I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.”

Rustico, yes it is a hoax. At the height of the refinance boom, E-trade financial changed their compensation plan resulting in a reduction of profits for their loan officers. According to my ex, E-trade became greedy and felt the loan officers were making too much. The ex was furious. Therefore, my assumption is the ex went out on a “fake” disability claim so he could sit at home and collect $5,600 per month for doing nothing. Nice.

This is beside the point, but during the 3 years my ex collected this sum every month, he went to Cuba (his dad lives there) and “bought” a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he’s 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country. I’m serious.

Anyway, I have subpoened all “records and conversations” from his private disability company to be presented at the hearing.

As far as assets, I have no idea what he’s hiding. I have subpoened bank statements for the last 3 years for the upcoming hearing as well. Oh, he just bought a brand new house in July/Auguust of this year. It is in Arizona where he now resides. I did some checking, the house is in his name only. No surprises there. The new wife is now making money. The ex listed her income as $2k per month from a daycare business she is running out of their (I mean his) new home.

Throughout the whole divorce proceedings, I did not retain counsel. The ex convinced me neither of us needed a lawyer (although he had one on consultation at all times…). Due to the ex’s character, for me to not hire a lawyer was tantamount to bringing a knife to a gun fight. I was beyond stupid.

[Anonymous]

“I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.”

Rustico, yes it is a hoax. At the height of the refinance boom, E-trade financial changed their compensation plan resulting in a reduction of profits for their loan officers. According to my ex, E-trade became greedy and felt the loan officers were making too much. The ex was furious. Therefore, my assumption is the ex went out on a “fake” disability claim so he could sit at home and collect $5,600 per month for doing nothing. Nice.

This is beside the point, but during the 3 years my ex collected this sum every month, he went to Cuba (his dad lives there) and “bought” a 17-year-old Cuban wife (he’s 44). He actually told me how he had to pay off Cuban officials to get her out of the country. I’m serious.

Anyway, I have subpoened all “records and conversations” from his private disability company to be presented at the hearing.

As far as assets, I have no idea what he’s hiding. I have subpoened bank statements for the last 3 years for the upcoming hearing as well. Oh, he just bought a brand new house in July/Auguust of this year. It is in Arizona where he now resides. I did some checking, the house is in his name only. No surprises there. The new wife is now making money. The ex listed her income as $2k per month from a daycare business she is running out of their (I mean his) new home.

Throughout the whole divorce proceedings, I did not retain counsel. The ex convinced me neither of us needed a lawyer (although he had one on consultation at all times…). Due to the ex’s character, for me to not hire a lawyer was tantamount to bringing a knife to a gun fight. I was beyond stupid.

[NotCranky]

“Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.”

I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.

[NotCranky]

“Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.”

I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.

[NotCranky]

“Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.”

I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.

[NotCranky]

“Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.”

I was going to be the first responder to this thread but decide to wait. My hunch was that this disability was a likely hoax as a result or his loss of emploment income. Now the “ballon” thing. Either this guy is very familiar with a lawyer already, or he is well on the road to perdition and is a future deadbeat. In any case doesn’t sound like he is going to be much of a “provider” for a while.

[Anonymous]

“what is the disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?”

Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.

“He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.”

I guess the judge can and that’s what I’m afraid of. I have been searching since I graduated. I have the applications and rejection letters to prove it.

Thanks for all responses. To some of you, he wasn’t a mortgage broker, but rather a “mortgage loan officer” that worked for a large, well-known company.

note: We’ve been divorced and he’s being paying child support and alimony since then. He recently asked for a hearing to have it reduced since his private disability insurance cut him off. Neither of us have lawyers. I should get one.

[Anonymous]

“what is the disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?”

Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.

“He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.”

I guess the judge can and that’s what I’m afraid of. I have been searching since I graduated. I have the applications and rejection letters to prove it.

Thanks for all responses. To some of you, he wasn’t a mortgage broker, but rather a “mortgage loan officer” that worked for a large, well-known company.

note: We’ve been divorced and he’s being paying child support and alimony since then. He recently asked for a hearing to have it reduced since his private disability insurance cut him off. Neither of us have lawyers. I should get one.

[Anonymous]

“what is the disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?”

Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.

“He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.”

I guess the judge can and that’s what I’m afraid of. I have been searching since I graduated. I have the applications and rejection letters to prove it.

Thanks for all responses. To some of you, he wasn’t a mortgage broker, but rather a “mortgage loan officer” that worked for a large, well-known company.

note: We’ve been divorced and he’s being paying child support and alimony since then. He recently asked for a hearing to have it reduced since his private disability insurance cut him off. Neither of us have lawyers. I should get one.

[Anonymous]

“what is the disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?”

Well, according to him, he has “facial nerve damage” and it is worsened by heat, stress, climate changes. Of course, i think it’s a bunch of bull. His has just started his own “jumper rental” business and estimates his monthly earnings will be between 2-3k.

“He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.”

I guess the judge can and that’s what I’m afraid of. I have been searching since I graduated. I have the applications and rejection letters to prove it.

Thanks for all responses. To some of you, he wasn’t a mortgage broker, but rather a “mortgage loan officer” that worked for a large, well-known company.

note: We’ve been divorced and he’s being paying child support and alimony since then. He recently asked for a hearing to have it reduced since his private disability insurance cut him off. Neither of us have lawyers. I should get one.

[sandiego]

What is a disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?

[sandiego]

What is a disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?

[sandiego]

What is a disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?

[sandiego]

What is a disability for a loan broker, a paper cut?

[kev374]

On Suze Orman they had a Real Estate professional who stated that last year she made $136,000 and this year she is breaking $40,000 if she is lucky. The market has changed drastically.

While I am for child support I think alimony is a ridiculous concept, but that is another story anyway!

[kev374]

On Suze Orman they had a Real Estate professional who stated that last year she made $136,000 and this year she is breaking $40,000 if she is lucky. The market has changed drastically.

While I am for child support I think alimony is a ridiculous concept, but that is another story anyway!

[kev374]

On Suze Orman they had a Real Estate professional who stated that last year she made $136,000 and this year she is breaking $40,000 if she is lucky. The market has changed drastically.

While I am for child support I think alimony is a ridiculous concept, but that is another story anyway!

[kev374]

On Suze Orman they had a Real Estate professional who stated that last year she made $136,000 and this year she is breaking $40,000 if she is lucky. The market has changed drastically.

While I am for child support I think alimony is a ridiculous concept, but that is another story anyway!

[Bugs]

I was reading on a mortgage broker blog the other day about the job market for unemployed mortgage brokers. According to what many of these people are posting on the blog they are widely considered to be the equivalent of toxic waste when it comes to getting a new job. There are very few opportunities in the loan origination field and almost nobody outside the RE field wants to hire them either.

There are lots of stories about sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting a single call. A couple people spoke of going to job fairs and being told straight out that the HR managers have been instructed to avoid anyone who’s ever worked in any capacity for a mortgage brokerage.

Even the people who are still employed are making a lot less money than they were a couple years ago. “Less” as in below 50%.

Just so you know what you’re getting into. Be prepared to first be told he can’t get a job, and then when he does get a job be prepared to be told he’s working for $10/hour at some service job.

[Bugs]

I was reading on a mortgage broker blog the other day about the job market for unemployed mortgage brokers. According to what many of these people are posting on the blog they are widely considered to be the equivalent of toxic waste when it comes to getting a new job. There are very few opportunities in the loan origination field and almost nobody outside the RE field wants to hire them either.

There are lots of stories about sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting a single call. A couple people spoke of going to job fairs and being told straight out that the HR managers have been instructed to avoid anyone who’s ever worked in any capacity for a mortgage brokerage.

Even the people who are still employed are making a lot less money than they were a couple years ago. “Less” as in below 50%.

Just so you know what you’re getting into. Be prepared to first be told he can’t get a job, and then when he does get a job be prepared to be told he’s working for $10/hour at some service job.

[Bugs]

I was reading on a mortgage broker blog the other day about the job market for unemployed mortgage brokers. According to what many of these people are posting on the blog they are widely considered to be the equivalent of toxic waste when it comes to getting a new job. There are very few opportunities in the loan origination field and almost nobody outside the RE field wants to hire them either.

There are lots of stories about sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting a single call. A couple people spoke of going to job fairs and being told straight out that the HR managers have been instructed to avoid anyone who’s ever worked in any capacity for a mortgage brokerage.

Even the people who are still employed are making a lot less money than they were a couple years ago. “Less” as in below 50%.

Just so you know what you’re getting into. Be prepared to first be told he can’t get a job, and then when he does get a job be prepared to be told he’s working for $10/hour at some service job.

[Bugs]

I was reading on a mortgage broker blog the other day about the job market for unemployed mortgage brokers. According to what many of these people are posting on the blog they are widely considered to be the equivalent of toxic waste when it comes to getting a new job. There are very few opportunities in the loan origination field and almost nobody outside the RE field wants to hire them either.

There are lots of stories about sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting a single call. A couple people spoke of going to job fairs and being told straight out that the HR managers have been instructed to avoid anyone who’s ever worked in any capacity for a mortgage brokerage.

Even the people who are still employed are making a lot less money than they were a couple years ago. “Less” as in below 50%.

Just so you know what you’re getting into. Be prepared to first be told he can’t get a job, and then when he does get a job be prepared to be told he’s working for $10/hour at some service job.

[Bugs]

I was reading on a mortgage broker blog the other day about the job market for unemployed mortgage brokers. According to what many of these people are posting on the blog they are widely considered to be the equivalent of toxic waste when it comes to getting a new job. There are very few opportunities in the loan origination field and almost nobody outside the RE field wants to hire them either.

There are lots of stories about sending out hundreds of resumes and not getting a single call. A couple people spoke of going to job fairs and being told straight out that the HR managers have been instructed to avoid anyone who’s ever worked in any capacity for a mortgage brokerage.

Even the people who are still employed are making a lot less money than they were a couple years ago. “Less” as in below 50%.

Just so you know what you’re getting into. Be prepared to first be told he can’t get a job, and then when he does get a job be prepared to be told he’s working for $10/hour at some service job.

[nostradamus]

You really need to get a lawyer. Your lawyer will investigate his assets and answer all these questions for you. The case will likely settle in mediation without going to a judge.

If it does go to the judge, I hope he/she is impartial and fair to both parties.

[nostradamus]

You really need to get a lawyer. Your lawyer will investigate his assets and answer all these questions for you. The case will likely settle in mediation without going to a judge.

If it does go to the judge, I hope he/she is impartial and fair to both parties.

[nostradamus]

You really need to get a lawyer. Your lawyer will investigate his assets and answer all these questions for you. The case will likely settle in mediation without going to a judge.

If it does go to the judge, I hope he/she is impartial and fair to both parties.

[nostradamus]

You really need to get a lawyer. Your lawyer will investigate his assets and answer all these questions for you. The case will likely settle in mediation without going to a judge.

If it does go to the judge, I hope he/she is impartial and fair to both parties.

[nostradamus]

You really need to get a lawyer. Your lawyer will investigate his assets and answer all these questions for you. The case will likely settle in mediation without going to a judge.

If it does go to the judge, I hope he/she is impartial and fair to both parties.

[greekfire]

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I have a good friend that is going through the same thing. Divorce sucks. Anyways, I think you both should come to some sort of compromise. Expecting him to pay support on an assumed salary of $155k is unrealistic. You don’t need a mortgage expert to understand the market isn’t what it was back in 2003. At the same time, he should sac-up and help you raise the child(ren) you both had together.

Educating yourself was a good move. You might consider increasing your attempts at building a strong network in your area. Try to befriend moms or dads in a similar situation. They might be able to help you through this transition phase while you get established in your new career (e.g., find a good, inexpensive day care). I wish you the best of luck.

[greekfire]

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I have a good friend that is going through the same thing. Divorce sucks. Anyways, I think you both should come to some sort of compromise. Expecting him to pay support on an assumed salary of $155k is unrealistic. You don’t need a mortgage expert to understand the market isn’t what it was back in 2003. At the same time, he should sac-up and help you raise the child(ren) you both had together.

Educating yourself was a good move. You might consider increasing your attempts at building a strong network in your area. Try to befriend moms or dads in a similar situation. They might be able to help you through this transition phase while you get established in your new career (e.g., find a good, inexpensive day care). I wish you the best of luck.

[greekfire]

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I have a good friend that is going through the same thing. Divorce sucks. Anyways, I think you both should come to some sort of compromise. Expecting him to pay support on an assumed salary of $155k is unrealistic. You don’t need a mortgage expert to understand the market isn’t what it was back in 2003. At the same time, he should sac-up and help you raise the child(ren) you both had together.

Educating yourself was a good move. You might consider increasing your attempts at building a strong network in your area. Try to befriend moms or dads in a similar situation. They might be able to help you through this transition phase while you get established in your new career (e.g., find a good, inexpensive day care). I wish you the best of luck.

[greekfire]

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I have a good friend that is going through the same thing. Divorce sucks. Anyways, I think you both should come to some sort of compromise. Expecting him to pay support on an assumed salary of $155k is unrealistic. You don’t need a mortgage expert to understand the market isn’t what it was back in 2003. At the same time, he should sac-up and help you raise the child(ren) you both had together.

Educating yourself was a good move. You might consider increasing your attempts at building a strong network in your area. Try to befriend moms or dads in a similar situation. They might be able to help you through this transition phase while you get established in your new career (e.g., find a good, inexpensive day care). I wish you the best of luck.

[greekfire]

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I have a good friend that is going through the same thing. Divorce sucks. Anyways, I think you both should come to some sort of compromise. Expecting him to pay support on an assumed salary of $155k is unrealistic. You don’t need a mortgage expert to understand the market isn’t what it was back in 2003. At the same time, he should sac-up and help you raise the child(ren) you both had together.

Educating yourself was a good move. You might consider increasing your attempts at building a strong network in your area. Try to befriend moms or dads in a similar situation. They might be able to help you through this transition phase while you get established in your new career (e.g., find a good, inexpensive day care). I wish you the best of luck.

[raptorduck]

If he has a good lawyer, he should be able to convince the court to (i) discount the $155k due to current market conditions and employability of that job title, (ii) consider the fact he has not worked in that job for a while and may have to take a step down salary wise to get back in, and (iii) wait until he finds a job before setting support and award his request for a reduction until then. He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.

DISCLAIMER: The above ramblings do not constitute legal advice of any kind and are not intended to solicit or imply any kind of attorney-client relationship or legal service rendered.

[raptorduck]

If he has a good lawyer, he should be able to convince the court to (i) discount the $155k due to current market conditions and employability of that job title, (ii) consider the fact he has not worked in that job for a while and may have to take a step down salary wise to get back in, and (iii) wait until he finds a job before setting support and award his request for a reduction until then. He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.

DISCLAIMER: The above ramblings do not constitute legal advice of any kind and are not intended to solicit or imply any kind of attorney-client relationship or legal service rendered.

[raptorduck]

If he has a good lawyer, he should be able to convince the court to (i) discount the $155k due to current market conditions and employability of that job title, (ii) consider the fact he has not worked in that job for a while and may have to take a step down salary wise to get back in, and (iii) wait until he finds a job before setting support and award his request for a reduction until then. He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.

DISCLAIMER: The above ramblings do not constitute legal advice of any kind and are not intended to solicit or imply any kind of attorney-client relationship or legal service rendered.

[raptorduck]

If he has a good lawyer, he should be able to convince the court to (i) discount the $155k due to current market conditions and employability of that job title, (ii) consider the fact he has not worked in that job for a while and may have to take a step down salary wise to get back in, and (iii) wait until he finds a job before setting support and award his request for a reduction until then. He can also ask the court to impute your new expected income as a benefit from your schooling, which would adjust down your prior support level anyway.

DISCLAIMER: The above ramblings do not constitute legal advice of any kind and are not intended to solicit or imply any kind of attorney-client relationship or legal service rendered.

[Coronita]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

 

I think the person is trying to get started in her career. Also, if you are a single parent, you'll quickly notice that being a parent doesn't give you the necessary freedom to take as many risks and do whatever the hell you want at any instance of time. I'm sure it's not an easy task, especially if you are dedicated to being a good parent. 

[Coronita]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

 

I think the person is trying to get started in her career. Also, if you are a single parent, you'll quickly notice that being a parent doesn't give you the necessary freedom to take as many risks and do whatever the hell you want at any instance of time. I'm sure it's not an easy task, especially if you are dedicated to being a good parent. 

[Coronita]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

 

I think the person is trying to get started in her career. Also, if you are a single parent, you'll quickly notice that being a parent doesn't give you the necessary freedom to take as many risks and do whatever the hell you want at any instance of time. I'm sure it's not an easy task, especially if you are dedicated to being a good parent. 

[Coronita]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

 

I think the person is trying to get started in her career. Also, if you are a single parent, you'll quickly notice that being a parent doesn't give you the necessary freedom to take as many risks and do whatever the hell you want at any instance of time. I'm sure it's not an easy task, especially if you are dedicated to being a good parent. 

[Alex_angel]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

[Alex_angel]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

[Alex_angel]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

[Alex_angel]

Get a job and stop depending on your ex for payments. There are a lot of single mothers out there that work hard and take care of their kids without help from others.

[Anonymous]

Sorry Marion, no sympathy here. I work in a career field where half of the guys pay $4-$5k a month in alimony for “failed” marriages. Have you even thought about how he is going to support HIMSELF on this lower income? How will he pay for his expenses? Oh that’s right, the courts don’t care about the primary wage earner, I forgot about that.

[patientlywaiting]

Men really need to keep their dicks in their pants if they don’t want to pay up. Women on the other hand are all too eager to procreate thinking that it’ll bring happiness to the relationship and to use the children as pawns.

I do agree that you can’t squeeze juice out of sand. The whole family better get ready for a change in lifestyle. Married, or divorced, a family’s lifestyle depends on the parent’s earnings. The judge will look at the parents’ total earnings and allocate the funds based on that. There’s nothing else the judge can do.

[mgubnyc1]

All you boys take notes!! Don’t fall into this trap women weave, get a prenup! If she won’t sign then drop her.

PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?

[Anonymous]

“PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?”

Actually, I’m a trim and fit size 6, educated, with long, dark hair. Not only that, I’d bet the farm when it comes time to be intimate, you wouldn’t want to put a brown paper bag over my head. The problem for my ex was I’m not a “Stepford wife”.

One more thing, I can cook up a pot roast like it’s nobody’s business! 🙂

[mgubnyc1]

Your ex is right about American women.

One more thing you have to remember YOU PICKED HIM!!!

What, you couldn’t change him to the way you thought he should be. And one more thing, even though you knew your ex was a POS you decided to have 2 kids with him. But that’s not all, you the realized you can’t change the sob so WTF since you have 2 of his kids now he should give you thousands of dollars a month for the next 18 years!!!

Watch out boys, this is how its done!

[mgubnyc1]

Your ex is right about American women.

One more thing you have to remember YOU PICKED HIM!!!

What, you couldn’t change him to the way you thought he should be. And one more thing, even though you knew your ex was a POS you decided to have 2 kids with him. But that’s not all, you the realized you can’t change the sob so WTF since you have 2 of his kids now he should give you thousands of dollars a month for the next 18 years!!!

Watch out boys, this is how its done!

[mgubnyc1]

Your ex is right about American women.

One more thing you have to remember YOU PICKED HIM!!!

What, you couldn’t change him to the way you thought he should be. And one more thing, even though you knew your ex was a POS you decided to have 2 kids with him. But that’s not all, you the realized you can’t change the sob so WTF since you have 2 of his kids now he should give you thousands of dollars a month for the next 18 years!!!

Watch out boys, this is how its done!

[mgubnyc1]

Your ex is right about American women.

One more thing you have to remember YOU PICKED HIM!!!

What, you couldn’t change him to the way you thought he should be. And one more thing, even though you knew your ex was a POS you decided to have 2 kids with him. But that’s not all, you the realized you can’t change the sob so WTF since you have 2 of his kids now he should give you thousands of dollars a month for the next 18 years!!!

Watch out boys, this is how its done!

[mgubnyc1]

Your ex is right about American women.

One more thing you have to remember YOU PICKED HIM!!!

What, you couldn’t change him to the way you thought he should be. And one more thing, even though you knew your ex was a POS you decided to have 2 kids with him. But that’s not all, you the realized you can’t change the sob so WTF since you have 2 of his kids now he should give you thousands of dollars a month for the next 18 years!!!

Watch out boys, this is how its done!

[patientlywaiting]

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us "American b*tches".

Well, there must be some truth to that….   Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over.  It will be again after Castro dies. 

 

[Anonymous]

I am surprised alimony still exists these days. I am all for paying child support (which is the law and the right thing to do) but if I ever get married and divorced no way I’m paying alimony on top of that.

Anybody know if a pre-nup can completely waive alimony in California? Will this stand up in court?

Marion, if you are as attractive as you say you are, look me up. I’m single and making so much money from shorting homebuilders that you’ll never have to worry about the alimony from your ex.

[Anonymous]

I am surprised alimony still exists these days. I am all for paying child support (which is the law and the right thing to do) but if I ever get married and divorced no way I’m paying alimony on top of that.

Anybody know if a pre-nup can completely waive alimony in California? Will this stand up in court?

Marion, if you are as attractive as you say you are, look me up. I’m single and making so much money from shorting homebuilders that you’ll never have to worry about the alimony from your ex.

[Anonymous]

I am surprised alimony still exists these days. I am all for paying child support (which is the law and the right thing to do) but if I ever get married and divorced no way I’m paying alimony on top of that.

Anybody know if a pre-nup can completely waive alimony in California? Will this stand up in court?

Marion, if you are as attractive as you say you are, look me up. I’m single and making so much money from shorting homebuilders that you’ll never have to worry about the alimony from your ex.

[Anonymous]

I am surprised alimony still exists these days. I am all for paying child support (which is the law and the right thing to do) but if I ever get married and divorced no way I’m paying alimony on top of that.

Anybody know if a pre-nup can completely waive alimony in California? Will this stand up in court?

Marion, if you are as attractive as you say you are, look me up. I’m single and making so much money from shorting homebuilders that you’ll never have to worry about the alimony from your ex.

[Anonymous]

I am surprised alimony still exists these days. I am all for paying child support (which is the law and the right thing to do) but if I ever get married and divorced no way I’m paying alimony on top of that.

Anybody know if a pre-nup can completely waive alimony in California? Will this stand up in court?

Marion, if you are as attractive as you say you are, look me up. I’m single and making so much money from shorting homebuilders that you’ll never have to worry about the alimony from your ex.

[Anonymous]

patientlywaiting: “Well, there must be some truth to that…. Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over. It will be again after Castro dies.”

Yeah, the shallow man’s dream: A maid, cook and whore all rolled into one. lol.

But, I’m sure you guys know about older women and hormones. I’m 42, and with my hormones raging, I could easily screw her under the table. That should make for a happy hubby, no? But, then again, when she’s 42, I’ll probably be in the grave. Since I live in the here and now, it’s all good. 🙂

[Anonymous]

patientlywaiting: “Well, there must be some truth to that…. Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over. It will be again after Castro dies.”

Yeah, the shallow man’s dream: A maid, cook and whore all rolled into one. lol.

But, I’m sure you guys know about older women and hormones. I’m 42, and with my hormones raging, I could easily screw her under the table. That should make for a happy hubby, no? But, then again, when she’s 42, I’ll probably be in the grave. Since I live in the here and now, it’s all good. 🙂

[Anonymous]

patientlywaiting: “Well, there must be some truth to that…. Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over. It will be again after Castro dies.”

Yeah, the shallow man’s dream: A maid, cook and whore all rolled into one. lol.

But, I’m sure you guys know about older women and hormones. I’m 42, and with my hormones raging, I could easily screw her under the table. That should make for a happy hubby, no? But, then again, when she’s 42, I’ll probably be in the grave. Since I live in the here and now, it’s all good. 🙂

[Anonymous]

patientlywaiting: “Well, there must be some truth to that…. Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over. It will be again after Castro dies.”

Yeah, the shallow man’s dream: A maid, cook and whore all rolled into one. lol.

But, I’m sure you guys know about older women and hormones. I’m 42, and with my hormones raging, I could easily screw her under the table. That should make for a happy hubby, no? But, then again, when she’s 42, I’ll probably be in the grave. Since I live in the here and now, it’s all good. 🙂

[Anonymous]

patientlywaiting: “Well, there must be some truth to that…. Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over. It will be again after Castro dies.”

Yeah, the shallow man’s dream: A maid, cook and whore all rolled into one. lol.

But, I’m sure you guys know about older women and hormones. I’m 42, and with my hormones raging, I could easily screw her under the table. That should make for a happy hubby, no? But, then again, when she’s 42, I’ll probably be in the grave. Since I live in the here and now, it’s all good. 🙂

[patientlywaiting]

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us "American b*tches".

Well, there must be some truth to that….   Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over.  It will be again after Castro dies. 

 

[patientlywaiting]

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us "American b*tches".

Well, there must be some truth to that….   Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over.  It will be again after Castro dies. 

 

[patientlywaiting]

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us "American b*tches".

Well, there must be some truth to that….   Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over.  It will be again after Castro dies. 

 

[patientlywaiting]

And for the men on here who profess no sympathy, all my ex talked about while negotiating this woman out of Cuba was how far superior Cuban women were to us "American b*tches".

Well, there must be some truth to that….   Cuba was the American playground before Castro took over.  It will be again after Castro dies. 

 

[temeculaguy]

Sorry gang, been busy lately and I am late to this party. This whole thread is suspicious, I think my good friend and former boss is pretending to be Marion just to get me to write more since she complained recenlty that my posts are sparce lately. It’s too obvious, lives in Murrieta just a few miles away, has a deadbeat out of state ex who wont be slashing my tires, sounds hot, can cook, probably mid thirties to early forties, long dark hair, I feel like a mouse staring at the cheese on a moustrap thinking “cheese, my favorite, no wait, this is too perfect, who puts a perfectly good piece of cheese on the floor?” Other than the fit, size six part (built for comfort not speed is more my style, Tg likes the curves) there’s nothing to convince me that this isn’t a setup. O.K. I’ll bite.

On the off chance that marion is real, I am ashamed of my fellow testicle owners who are lambasting this woman for seeking money. What kind of a man moves to a state that is nowhere near his children. There’s a perfectly good way to avoid child support, change your life to have your kids at least half of the time. Real men raise their own children, anyone else isn’t qualified to drink with me. Almost every social ill can be traced back to men who spawn and move on. I read the posts of those who have sympathy for their bretheren who pay hefty child support bills but you only have half the story. I know those guys too and they ask me why I pay nothing, the secret, get the kids. Don’t just get them, parent them, do homework with them every night, never get a babysitter on Friday night, just hang with them. Never let them meet the latest love interest or even know about her, miss every social event, wedding, party, etc. just to be a parent. Lose every girlfriend because you won’t talk on the phone while you with your kids and you won’t run off for the weekend. Make less money, miss promotions because soccer practice is more important. The point is, make sacrifices to be the best dad you can be, you signed on the dotted line, now honor that. Go Kramer v. Kramer on her ass and get half if not more of their time and don’t just sit there while you have them like it is an obligation, it should be the part you look forward to. Do that and no Judge will take them away and you wont pay a dime. Better yet, they will actually be normal kids. Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.

I’ve offered my buddies assistance in getting their kids and eliminating child support but I have yet to meet one who didn’t back out once I told them that they can’t take off to vegas every other weekend with their new girlfriend that is half their age, that they wont see Vegas or twenty year olds naked for years, that’s where they start to twitch and I start to realize that they just want to be victims and complain about the money, screw em!!!

I am not on this soapbox looking for sympathy, I like getting a new girlfriend every two months, about the time they grow tired of being second fiddle i grow tired of them, it’s symbiotic.

Marion,I’m afraid the money is going to end but you will get a judgement and at some point you will get paid, the reality is that his line of work is over and it sounds like he jumped on the bandwagon with few skills and is exactly who will be shaken out. The birthday inflatable jumper business is not a road paved with gold either, you may have to start planning now on making it on your own but in the end you will be happier that you did and your kids will be proud of you even if Dr. Laura isn’t.

P.S. I do specialize in consoling divorcees and attending to their needs, so when the pressures seem to be too much to bear, you let ole TG know, he’s always here to help. I’m like a superhero that way.

[Anonymous]

If you’ve got two degrees, why do you need alimony? You should be able to get a job like the rest of us and support yourself.

[Anonymous]

If you’ve got two degrees, why do you need alimony? You should be able to get a job like the rest of us and support yourself.

[Anonymous]

If you’ve got two degrees, why do you need alimony? You should be able to get a job like the rest of us and support yourself.

[Anonymous]

If you’ve got two degrees, why do you need alimony? You should be able to get a job like the rest of us and support yourself.

[Anonymous]

If you’ve got two degrees, why do you need alimony? You should be able to get a job like the rest of us and support yourself.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Amen brother. Wow, that is the best line ive read in this string. I wish the American system had the option of men electing to take the children full time and paying zero in alimony and child support. In the spirit of TC guys comments, any guy who opted out of that arrangement, out of negligence, should have to pay up. Women who arent willing to fight for their kids should receive nothing and in the new world order of equality a 50/50 share of the kids between parents who are parenting with no additional money changing hands should be the rule of thumb.

I have little sympathy for selfish attitudes of parents running to cuba for brides for more kids and women who ask “how much is he worth” instead of “how much do i need”. Attitudes which say $1,000 per kid is to much, vs. $1,000 doesnt go far….i know people with 3 kids who have nowhere near $36K per year in disposable income. They stay married and somehow make ends meet.

As down as each ex-spouse is down on the other is usually complimented by how high they are on themselves. i.e. “he’s a dirtbag but im a stunning long haired great cooking size 6″. And im sure his attitude is similar in reverse…..”dumped that [email protected]$ but im still such a stunning good looking great guy that a 17 year old size 2 is duly impressed” Each side takes the moral high ground in a never ending battle of winless pride.

It is difficult to blame either side for trying to optimize their position. Western women have an incredibly liberal and accomadating law compared to the rest of the world, and history….yet the insatiable appitite to do better and have more rarely leads to an appreciation of one’s current position. It is also hard to blame men for going outside this system to match with women…….foreign women are much easier to deal with. So yes, men have that insatiable appitite to do better and have more also.

Unfortunately that selfish appitite obstructs what most reasonable people would agree is best for the kids.

Cant you be happy that you have your boys and that the money we “need” isnt nearly as much as what we’d like to have? I know single mothers who work for minimum wage and dont complain…..stressed? sure. But they are so happy to have their kid(s) that no amount money would replace that experience. Masking greed for money as “i need it for the kids” and a woe-is-me tragedy of self pity is a cop out and a great way to instill a sense of irresponsibility and entitlement with your sons.

You dont want your boys to end up like their father……..a selfish one sided thinker who is unwilling to see the other persons point of view and unable to sacrifce or compromise for the good of the family, partnership, team. I woudl have to agree with you there. Unfortunately, even if their father isnt around….and they wont have a chance to learn it from him…..sounds like they’ll have a good chance to learn it from their mother.

J

P.S. Yes im married. Yes i have kids. And yes i would take my kids 100% in any circumstance possible. Luckily for me, i have them, and my wife 100% right now so i dont have to choose.

[temeculaguy]

Jasper, Amen right back at you brother. You, my friend, have it all figured out. Enjoy the 100% of it all, I envy you. Don’t ever choose but if you get in a predicament where you are forced to and something you didn’t initiate, follow the path you laid out, I assure you it is the best plan B one can have.

[Anonymous]

TC guy,

😉 Thx. Yes, it is an enviable position which i have no intention of changing. It would be (almost) as devistating to loose the wife, as it would be to lose the kids.

As you correctly mentioned, that social ills are caused by the sprinkler syndrome (squirts bushes and leaves), i would raise that bet by saying it is the selfish side/nature of the act which can easily be perpetrated by either gender. People always wanting that little bit more, just ‘one more step up’. Where spouses and kids can be merely a fashion accessory to show off or brag about. Enrolling them in a good school becomes fashionable instead of educational when parents take little interest in the material.

It is just sad to see……and since we are on a housing forum…..it is the same attitude which evoked the term ‘starter home’ implying that moving ‘up’ is a necessity not just a luxury. It is easy to be inspired by people who bet on housing futures with no money down when they had nothing to lose. Those that didnt or werent able to unwind their position before their bets failed lost nothing…….the bag holders become the last person in the line holding the note on the loan. Systematic problem.

People who heloced and 0% downed their way into a primary residence beyond their means is indicitive of what we ‘need’ in society today. Ah well……and so it goes…

Marion,

Hope you can find a way to be happy that you have your two boys, regardless of your financial condition and not qualifying it or using your sons to justify your fininacial quest against your ex. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and quit focusing your efforts on redemption in the situation with your ex.

Your boys will respect you eternally as a strong woman who held no ill-will against her fellow man (ex-husband); a woman who turned the other cheek in the face of being slighted, picked up, dusted off and carried on with style.

How much is the lesson of diligence and personal responsibilty worth to your boys? Kids are infintely better than adults at learning morals….clean slate that they are and all. Is it really worth sacrificing the moral standing of your boys for your ‘needed’ $$x,000’s per month? If you’re seeing this as a chance to show them it is worth fighting for what you believe in…….they will only see that fighting for money is worthwhile. Because that’s what it is. Courts can order money settlements, but they cant order ex-husbands to take responsibility to heart.

You are not fighting for princle, or for the love of your boys….quite the oppisite….you are fighting for revenge, satisfaction and money. Belive me, your boys won’t and arent missing that lesson at all. When you have your finger in the air wagging it at that bastard ex husband of yours, three fingers are pointing back at you.

“how much is he worth?” From your description, running off and leaving his kids, he isnt worth much at all.

The better question “how much are you worth?” And is it worth enough to take what the courts give with appreciation, without bitterness or resentment, and teach your boys a lesson they will remember forever. They will recognize the injustice, if there is one, without you having to spell it out. This alone will carve out their attitudes towards women leading them to treat women better….and, when it comes time for them to find a spouse, they’ll be looking for the ones that were cut from the same cloth as their mother with the strenth and human spirit of mom.

J

[Anonymous]

Mega,

True, true. We all need money no doubt about it. Minimum wage is a tough spot to be in, kids or no kids. I am all for the heroine of our string, Marion, receiving her alloted child care from the courts. Dad ran off, he should take responsibility, she could receive support for her valiant efforts and good will towards her sons.

My point was made more for attitudes of why we fight and if those fights are indeed for the reasons we fool ourselves into believing……the courts will rule what they rule, the ex will pay whatever he pays, or as a deadbeat, nothing at all. If i were Marion, id take every penny. Try to appreciate every penny, and dont spend so much time worrying about the pennies that could have been…..

J

[Anonymous]

Mega,

True, true. We all need money no doubt about it. Minimum wage is a tough spot to be in, kids or no kids. I am all for the heroine of our string, Marion, receiving her alloted child care from the courts. Dad ran off, he should take responsibility, she could receive support for her valiant efforts and good will towards her sons.

My point was made more for attitudes of why we fight and if those fights are indeed for the reasons we fool ourselves into believing……the courts will rule what they rule, the ex will pay whatever he pays, or as a deadbeat, nothing at all. If i were Marion, id take every penny. Try to appreciate every penny, and dont spend so much time worrying about the pennies that could have been…..

J

[Anonymous]

Mega,

True, true. We all need money no doubt about it. Minimum wage is a tough spot to be in, kids or no kids. I am all for the heroine of our string, Marion, receiving her alloted child care from the courts. Dad ran off, he should take responsibility, she could receive support for her valiant efforts and good will towards her sons.

My point was made more for attitudes of why we fight and if those fights are indeed for the reasons we fool ourselves into believing……the courts will rule what they rule, the ex will pay whatever he pays, or as a deadbeat, nothing at all. If i were Marion, id take every penny. Try to appreciate every penny, and dont spend so much time worrying about the pennies that could have been…..

J

[Anonymous]

Mega,

True, true. We all need money no doubt about it. Minimum wage is a tough spot to be in, kids or no kids. I am all for the heroine of our string, Marion, receiving her alloted child care from the courts. Dad ran off, he should take responsibility, she could receive support for her valiant efforts and good will towards her sons.

My point was made more for attitudes of why we fight and if those fights are indeed for the reasons we fool ourselves into believing……the courts will rule what they rule, the ex will pay whatever he pays, or as a deadbeat, nothing at all. If i were Marion, id take every penny. Try to appreciate every penny, and dont spend so much time worrying about the pennies that could have been…..

J

[Anonymous]

Mega,

True, true. We all need money no doubt about it. Minimum wage is a tough spot to be in, kids or no kids. I am all for the heroine of our string, Marion, receiving her alloted child care from the courts. Dad ran off, he should take responsibility, she could receive support for her valiant efforts and good will towards her sons.

My point was made more for attitudes of why we fight and if those fights are indeed for the reasons we fool ourselves into believing……the courts will rule what they rule, the ex will pay whatever he pays, or as a deadbeat, nothing at all. If i were Marion, id take every penny. Try to appreciate every penny, and dont spend so much time worrying about the pennies that could have been…..

J

[Anonymous]

TC guy,

😉 Thx. Yes, it is an enviable position which i have no intention of changing. It would be (almost) as devistating to loose the wife, as it would be to lose the kids.

As you correctly mentioned, that social ills are caused by the sprinkler syndrome (squirts bushes and leaves), i would raise that bet by saying it is the selfish side/nature of the act which can easily be perpetrated by either gender. People always wanting that little bit more, just ‘one more step up’. Where spouses and kids can be merely a fashion accessory to show off or brag about. Enrolling them in a good school becomes fashionable instead of educational when parents take little interest in the material.

It is just sad to see……and since we are on a housing forum…..it is the same attitude which evoked the term ‘starter home’ implying that moving ‘up’ is a necessity not just a luxury. It is easy to be inspired by people who bet on housing futures with no money down when they had nothing to lose. Those that didnt or werent able to unwind their position before their bets failed lost nothing…….the bag holders become the last person in the line holding the note on the loan. Systematic problem.

People who heloced and 0% downed their way into a primary residence beyond their means is indicitive of what we ‘need’ in society today. Ah well……and so it goes…

Marion,

Hope you can find a way to be happy that you have your two boys, regardless of your financial condition and not qualifying it or using your sons to justify your fininacial quest against your ex. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and quit focusing your efforts on redemption in the situation with your ex.

Your boys will respect you eternally as a strong woman who held no ill-will against her fellow man (ex-husband); a woman who turned the other cheek in the face of being slighted, picked up, dusted off and carried on with style.

How much is the lesson of diligence and personal responsibilty worth to your boys? Kids are infintely better than adults at learning morals….clean slate that they are and all. Is it really worth sacrificing the moral standing of your boys for your ‘needed’ $$x,000’s per month? If you’re seeing this as a chance to show them it is worth fighting for what you believe in…….they will only see that fighting for money is worthwhile. Because that’s what it is. Courts can order money settlements, but they cant order ex-husbands to take responsibility to heart.

You are not fighting for princle, or for the love of your boys….quite the oppisite….you are fighting for revenge, satisfaction and money. Belive me, your boys won’t and arent missing that lesson at all. When you have your finger in the air wagging it at that bastard ex husband of yours, three fingers are pointing back at you.

“how much is he worth?” From your description, running off and leaving his kids, he isnt worth much at all.

The better question “how much are you worth?” And is it worth enough to take what the courts give with appreciation, without bitterness or resentment, and teach your boys a lesson they will remember forever. They will recognize the injustice, if there is one, without you having to spell it out. This alone will carve out their attitudes towards women leading them to treat women better….and, when it comes time for them to find a spouse, they’ll be looking for the ones that were cut from the same cloth as their mother with the strenth and human spirit of mom.

J

[Anonymous]

TC guy,

😉 Thx. Yes, it is an enviable position which i have no intention of changing. It would be (almost) as devistating to loose the wife, as it would be to lose the kids.

As you correctly mentioned, that social ills are caused by the sprinkler syndrome (squirts bushes and leaves), i would raise that bet by saying it is the selfish side/nature of the act which can easily be perpetrated by either gender. People always wanting that little bit more, just ‘one more step up’. Where spouses and kids can be merely a fashion accessory to show off or brag about. Enrolling them in a good school becomes fashionable instead of educational when parents take little interest in the material.

It is just sad to see……and since we are on a housing forum…..it is the same attitude which evoked the term ‘starter home’ implying that moving ‘up’ is a necessity not just a luxury. It is easy to be inspired by people who bet on housing futures with no money down when they had nothing to lose. Those that didnt or werent able to unwind their position before their bets failed lost nothing…….the bag holders become the last person in the line holding the note on the loan. Systematic problem.

People who heloced and 0% downed their way into a primary residence beyond their means is indicitive of what we ‘need’ in society today. Ah well……and so it goes…

Marion,

Hope you can find a way to be happy that you have your two boys, regardless of your financial condition and not qualifying it or using your sons to justify your fininacial quest against your ex. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and quit focusing your efforts on redemption in the situation with your ex.

Your boys will respect you eternally as a strong woman who held no ill-will against her fellow man (ex-husband); a woman who turned the other cheek in the face of being slighted, picked up, dusted off and carried on with style.

How much is the lesson of diligence and personal responsibilty worth to your boys? Kids are infintely better than adults at learning morals….clean slate that they are and all. Is it really worth sacrificing the moral standing of your boys for your ‘needed’ $$x,000’s per month? If you’re seeing this as a chance to show them it is worth fighting for what you believe in…….they will only see that fighting for money is worthwhile. Because that’s what it is. Courts can order money settlements, but they cant order ex-husbands to take responsibility to heart.

You are not fighting for princle, or for the love of your boys….quite the oppisite….you are fighting for revenge, satisfaction and money. Belive me, your boys won’t and arent missing that lesson at all. When you have your finger in the air wagging it at that bastard ex husband of yours, three fingers are pointing back at you.

“how much is he worth?” From your description, running off and leaving his kids, he isnt worth much at all.

The better question “how much are you worth?” And is it worth enough to take what the courts give with appreciation, without bitterness or resentment, and teach your boys a lesson they will remember forever. They will recognize the injustice, if there is one, without you having to spell it out. This alone will carve out their attitudes towards women leading them to treat women better….and, when it comes time for them to find a spouse, they’ll be looking for the ones that were cut from the same cloth as their mother with the strenth and human spirit of mom.

J

[Anonymous]

TC guy,

😉 Thx. Yes, it is an enviable position which i have no intention of changing. It would be (almost) as devistating to loose the wife, as it would be to lose the kids.

As you correctly mentioned, that social ills are caused by the sprinkler syndrome (squirts bushes and leaves), i would raise that bet by saying it is the selfish side/nature of the act which can easily be perpetrated by either gender. People always wanting that little bit more, just ‘one more step up’. Where spouses and kids can be merely a fashion accessory to show off or brag about. Enrolling them in a good school becomes fashionable instead of educational when parents take little interest in the material.

It is just sad to see……and since we are on a housing forum…..it is the same attitude which evoked the term ‘starter home’ implying that moving ‘up’ is a necessity not just a luxury. It is easy to be inspired by people who bet on housing futures with no money down when they had nothing to lose. Those that didnt or werent able to unwind their position before their bets failed lost nothing…….the bag holders become the last person in the line holding the note on the loan. Systematic problem.

People who heloced and 0% downed their way into a primary residence beyond their means is indicitive of what we ‘need’ in society today. Ah well……and so it goes…

Marion,

Hope you can find a way to be happy that you have your two boys, regardless of your financial condition and not qualifying it or using your sons to justify your fininacial quest against your ex. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and quit focusing your efforts on redemption in the situation with your ex.

Your boys will respect you eternally as a strong woman who held no ill-will against her fellow man (ex-husband); a woman who turned the other cheek in the face of being slighted, picked up, dusted off and carried on with style.

How much is the lesson of diligence and personal responsibilty worth to your boys? Kids are infintely better than adults at learning morals….clean slate that they are and all. Is it really worth sacrificing the moral standing of your boys for your ‘needed’ $$x,000’s per month? If you’re seeing this as a chance to show them it is worth fighting for what you believe in…….they will only see that fighting for money is worthwhile. Because that’s what it is. Courts can order money settlements, but they cant order ex-husbands to take responsibility to heart.

You are not fighting for princle, or for the love of your boys….quite the oppisite….you are fighting for revenge, satisfaction and money. Belive me, your boys won’t and arent missing that lesson at all. When you have your finger in the air wagging it at that bastard ex husband of yours, three fingers are pointing back at you.

“how much is he worth?” From your description, running off and leaving his kids, he isnt worth much at all.

The better question “how much are you worth?” And is it worth enough to take what the courts give with appreciation, without bitterness or resentment, and teach your boys a lesson they will remember forever. They will recognize the injustice, if there is one, without you having to spell it out. This alone will carve out their attitudes towards women leading them to treat women better….and, when it comes time for them to find a spouse, they’ll be looking for the ones that were cut from the same cloth as their mother with the strenth and human spirit of mom.

J

[Anonymous]

TC guy,

😉 Thx. Yes, it is an enviable position which i have no intention of changing. It would be (almost) as devistating to loose the wife, as it would be to lose the kids.

As you correctly mentioned, that social ills are caused by the sprinkler syndrome (squirts bushes and leaves), i would raise that bet by saying it is the selfish side/nature of the act which can easily be perpetrated by either gender. People always wanting that little bit more, just ‘one more step up’. Where spouses and kids can be merely a fashion accessory to show off or brag about. Enrolling them in a good school becomes fashionable instead of educational when parents take little interest in the material.

It is just sad to see……and since we are on a housing forum…..it is the same attitude which evoked the term ‘starter home’ implying that moving ‘up’ is a necessity not just a luxury. It is easy to be inspired by people who bet on housing futures with no money down when they had nothing to lose. Those that didnt or werent able to unwind their position before their bets failed lost nothing…….the bag holders become the last person in the line holding the note on the loan. Systematic problem.

People who heloced and 0% downed their way into a primary residence beyond their means is indicitive of what we ‘need’ in society today. Ah well……and so it goes…

Marion,

Hope you can find a way to be happy that you have your two boys, regardless of your financial condition and not qualifying it or using your sons to justify your fininacial quest against your ex. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and quit focusing your efforts on redemption in the situation with your ex.

Your boys will respect you eternally as a strong woman who held no ill-will against her fellow man (ex-husband); a woman who turned the other cheek in the face of being slighted, picked up, dusted off and carried on with style.

How much is the lesson of diligence and personal responsibilty worth to your boys? Kids are infintely better than adults at learning morals….clean slate that they are and all. Is it really worth sacrificing the moral standing of your boys for your ‘needed’ $$x,000’s per month? If you’re seeing this as a chance to show them it is worth fighting for what you believe in…….they will only see that fighting for money is worthwhile. Because that’s what it is. Courts can order money settlements, but they cant order ex-husbands to take responsibility to heart.

You are not fighting for princle, or for the love of your boys….quite the oppisite….you are fighting for revenge, satisfaction and money. Belive me, your boys won’t and arent missing that lesson at all. When you have your finger in the air wagging it at that bastard ex husband of yours, three fingers are pointing back at you.

“how much is he worth?” From your description, running off and leaving his kids, he isnt worth much at all.

The better question “how much are you worth?” And is it worth enough to take what the courts give with appreciation, without bitterness or resentment, and teach your boys a lesson they will remember forever. They will recognize the injustice, if there is one, without you having to spell it out. This alone will carve out their attitudes towards women leading them to treat women better….and, when it comes time for them to find a spouse, they’ll be looking for the ones that were cut from the same cloth as their mother with the strenth and human spirit of mom.

J

[temeculaguy]

Jasper, Amen right back at you brother. You, my friend, have it all figured out. Enjoy the 100% of it all, I envy you. Don’t ever choose but if you get in a predicament where you are forced to and something you didn’t initiate, follow the path you laid out, I assure you it is the best plan B one can have.

[temeculaguy]

Jasper, Amen right back at you brother. You, my friend, have it all figured out. Enjoy the 100% of it all, I envy you. Don’t ever choose but if you get in a predicament where you are forced to and something you didn’t initiate, follow the path you laid out, I assure you it is the best plan B one can have.

[temeculaguy]

Jasper, Amen right back at you brother. You, my friend, have it all figured out. Enjoy the 100% of it all, I envy you. Don’t ever choose but if you get in a predicament where you are forced to and something you didn’t initiate, follow the path you laid out, I assure you it is the best plan B one can have.

[temeculaguy]

Jasper, Amen right back at you brother. You, my friend, have it all figured out. Enjoy the 100% of it all, I envy you. Don’t ever choose but if you get in a predicament where you are forced to and something you didn’t initiate, follow the path you laid out, I assure you it is the best plan B one can have.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Kudos Tg on your thoughts on raising children.

Jasper I agree with almost everything you said except for the rational behind some of your thoughts on money. I would be so thankful to have my kids if I were in Marion’s shoes, but supporting them on minimum wage can be tough and detrimental for the kids. I’m thinking mostly health, safety, and welfare can’t be provided for them on such low pay. Wanting more doesn’t negate the joy of having them imo.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Kudos Tg on your thoughts on raising children.

Jasper I agree with almost everything you said except for the rational behind some of your thoughts on money. I would be so thankful to have my kids if I were in Marion’s shoes, but supporting them on minimum wage can be tough and detrimental for the kids. I’m thinking mostly health, safety, and welfare can’t be provided for them on such low pay. Wanting more doesn’t negate the joy of having them imo.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Kudos Tg on your thoughts on raising children.

Jasper I agree with almost everything you said except for the rational behind some of your thoughts on money. I would be so thankful to have my kids if I were in Marion’s shoes, but supporting them on minimum wage can be tough and detrimental for the kids. I’m thinking mostly health, safety, and welfare can’t be provided for them on such low pay. Wanting more doesn’t negate the joy of having them imo.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Kudos Tg on your thoughts on raising children.

Jasper I agree with almost everything you said except for the rational behind some of your thoughts on money. I would be so thankful to have my kids if I were in Marion’s shoes, but supporting them on minimum wage can be tough and detrimental for the kids. I’m thinking mostly health, safety, and welfare can’t be provided for them on such low pay. Wanting more doesn’t negate the joy of having them imo.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Kudos Tg on your thoughts on raising children.

Jasper I agree with almost everything you said except for the rational behind some of your thoughts on money. I would be so thankful to have my kids if I were in Marion’s shoes, but supporting them on minimum wage can be tough and detrimental for the kids. I’m thinking mostly health, safety, and welfare can’t be provided for them on such low pay. Wanting more doesn’t negate the joy of having them imo.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Amen brother. Wow, that is the best line ive read in this string. I wish the American system had the option of men electing to take the children full time and paying zero in alimony and child support. In the spirit of TC guys comments, any guy who opted out of that arrangement, out of negligence, should have to pay up. Women who arent willing to fight for their kids should receive nothing and in the new world order of equality a 50/50 share of the kids between parents who are parenting with no additional money changing hands should be the rule of thumb.

I have little sympathy for selfish attitudes of parents running to cuba for brides for more kids and women who ask “how much is he worth” instead of “how much do i need”. Attitudes which say $1,000 per kid is to much, vs. $1,000 doesnt go far….i know people with 3 kids who have nowhere near $36K per year in disposable income. They stay married and somehow make ends meet.

As down as each ex-spouse is down on the other is usually complimented by how high they are on themselves. i.e. “he’s a dirtbag but im a stunning long haired great cooking size 6″. And im sure his attitude is similar in reverse…..”dumped that [email protected]$ but im still such a stunning good looking great guy that a 17 year old size 2 is duly impressed” Each side takes the moral high ground in a never ending battle of winless pride.

It is difficult to blame either side for trying to optimize their position. Western women have an incredibly liberal and accomadating law compared to the rest of the world, and history….yet the insatiable appitite to do better and have more rarely leads to an appreciation of one’s current position. It is also hard to blame men for going outside this system to match with women…….foreign women are much easier to deal with. So yes, men have that insatiable appitite to do better and have more also.

Unfortunately that selfish appitite obstructs what most reasonable people would agree is best for the kids.

Cant you be happy that you have your boys and that the money we “need” isnt nearly as much as what we’d like to have? I know single mothers who work for minimum wage and dont complain…..stressed? sure. But they are so happy to have their kid(s) that no amount money would replace that experience. Masking greed for money as “i need it for the kids” and a woe-is-me tragedy of self pity is a cop out and a great way to instill a sense of irresponsibility and entitlement with your sons.

You dont want your boys to end up like their father……..a selfish one sided thinker who is unwilling to see the other persons point of view and unable to sacrifce or compromise for the good of the family, partnership, team. I woudl have to agree with you there. Unfortunately, even if their father isnt around….and they wont have a chance to learn it from him…..sounds like they’ll have a good chance to learn it from their mother.

J

P.S. Yes im married. Yes i have kids. And yes i would take my kids 100% in any circumstance possible. Luckily for me, i have them, and my wife 100% right now so i dont have to choose.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Amen brother. Wow, that is the best line ive read in this string. I wish the American system had the option of men electing to take the children full time and paying zero in alimony and child support. In the spirit of TC guys comments, any guy who opted out of that arrangement, out of negligence, should have to pay up. Women who arent willing to fight for their kids should receive nothing and in the new world order of equality a 50/50 share of the kids between parents who are parenting with no additional money changing hands should be the rule of thumb.

I have little sympathy for selfish attitudes of parents running to cuba for brides for more kids and women who ask “how much is he worth” instead of “how much do i need”. Attitudes which say $1,000 per kid is to much, vs. $1,000 doesnt go far….i know people with 3 kids who have nowhere near $36K per year in disposable income. They stay married and somehow make ends meet.

As down as each ex-spouse is down on the other is usually complimented by how high they are on themselves. i.e. “he’s a dirtbag but im a stunning long haired great cooking size 6″. And im sure his attitude is similar in reverse…..”dumped that [email protected]$ but im still such a stunning good looking great guy that a 17 year old size 2 is duly impressed” Each side takes the moral high ground in a never ending battle of winless pride.

It is difficult to blame either side for trying to optimize their position. Western women have an incredibly liberal and accomadating law compared to the rest of the world, and history….yet the insatiable appitite to do better and have more rarely leads to an appreciation of one’s current position. It is also hard to blame men for going outside this system to match with women…….foreign women are much easier to deal with. So yes, men have that insatiable appitite to do better and have more also.

Unfortunately that selfish appitite obstructs what most reasonable people would agree is best for the kids.

Cant you be happy that you have your boys and that the money we “need” isnt nearly as much as what we’d like to have? I know single mothers who work for minimum wage and dont complain…..stressed? sure. But they are so happy to have their kid(s) that no amount money would replace that experience. Masking greed for money as “i need it for the kids” and a woe-is-me tragedy of self pity is a cop out and a great way to instill a sense of irresponsibility and entitlement with your sons.

You dont want your boys to end up like their father……..a selfish one sided thinker who is unwilling to see the other persons point of view and unable to sacrifce or compromise for the good of the family, partnership, team. I woudl have to agree with you there. Unfortunately, even if their father isnt around….and they wont have a chance to learn it from him…..sounds like they’ll have a good chance to learn it from their mother.

J

P.S. Yes im married. Yes i have kids. And yes i would take my kids 100% in any circumstance possible. Luckily for me, i have them, and my wife 100% right now so i dont have to choose.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Amen brother. Wow, that is the best line ive read in this string. I wish the American system had the option of men electing to take the children full time and paying zero in alimony and child support. In the spirit of TC guys comments, any guy who opted out of that arrangement, out of negligence, should have to pay up. Women who arent willing to fight for their kids should receive nothing and in the new world order of equality a 50/50 share of the kids between parents who are parenting with no additional money changing hands should be the rule of thumb.

I have little sympathy for selfish attitudes of parents running to cuba for brides for more kids and women who ask “how much is he worth” instead of “how much do i need”. Attitudes which say $1,000 per kid is to much, vs. $1,000 doesnt go far….i know people with 3 kids who have nowhere near $36K per year in disposable income. They stay married and somehow make ends meet.

As down as each ex-spouse is down on the other is usually complimented by how high they are on themselves. i.e. “he’s a dirtbag but im a stunning long haired great cooking size 6″. And im sure his attitude is similar in reverse…..”dumped that [email protected]$ but im still such a stunning good looking great guy that a 17 year old size 2 is duly impressed” Each side takes the moral high ground in a never ending battle of winless pride.

It is difficult to blame either side for trying to optimize their position. Western women have an incredibly liberal and accomadating law compared to the rest of the world, and history….yet the insatiable appitite to do better and have more rarely leads to an appreciation of one’s current position. It is also hard to blame men for going outside this system to match with women…….foreign women are much easier to deal with. So yes, men have that insatiable appitite to do better and have more also.

Unfortunately that selfish appitite obstructs what most reasonable people would agree is best for the kids.

Cant you be happy that you have your boys and that the money we “need” isnt nearly as much as what we’d like to have? I know single mothers who work for minimum wage and dont complain…..stressed? sure. But they are so happy to have their kid(s) that no amount money would replace that experience. Masking greed for money as “i need it for the kids” and a woe-is-me tragedy of self pity is a cop out and a great way to instill a sense of irresponsibility and entitlement with your sons.

You dont want your boys to end up like their father……..a selfish one sided thinker who is unwilling to see the other persons point of view and unable to sacrifce or compromise for the good of the family, partnership, team. I woudl have to agree with you there. Unfortunately, even if their father isnt around….and they wont have a chance to learn it from him…..sounds like they’ll have a good chance to learn it from their mother.

J

P.S. Yes im married. Yes i have kids. And yes i would take my kids 100% in any circumstance possible. Luckily for me, i have them, and my wife 100% right now so i dont have to choose.

[Anonymous]

“Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.”

Amen brother. Wow, that is the best line ive read in this string. I wish the American system had the option of men electing to take the children full time and paying zero in alimony and child support. In the spirit of TC guys comments, any guy who opted out of that arrangement, out of negligence, should have to pay up. Women who arent willing to fight for their kids should receive nothing and in the new world order of equality a 50/50 share of the kids between parents who are parenting with no additional money changing hands should be the rule of thumb.

I have little sympathy for selfish attitudes of parents running to cuba for brides for more kids and women who ask “how much is he worth” instead of “how much do i need”. Attitudes which say $1,000 per kid is to much, vs. $1,000 doesnt go far….i know people with 3 kids who have nowhere near $36K per year in disposable income. They stay married and somehow make ends meet.

As down as each ex-spouse is down on the other is usually complimented by how high they are on themselves. i.e. “he’s a dirtbag but im a stunning long haired great cooking size 6″. And im sure his attitude is similar in reverse…..”dumped that [email protected]$ but im still such a stunning good looking great guy that a 17 year old size 2 is duly impressed” Each side takes the moral high ground in a never ending battle of winless pride.

It is difficult to blame either side for trying to optimize their position. Western women have an incredibly liberal and accomadating law compared to the rest of the world, and history….yet the insatiable appitite to do better and have more rarely leads to an appreciation of one’s current position. It is also hard to blame men for going outside this system to match with women…….foreign women are much easier to deal with. So yes, men have that insatiable appitite to do better and have more also.

Unfortunately that selfish appitite obstructs what most reasonable people would agree is best for the kids.

Cant you be happy that you have your boys and that the money we “need” isnt nearly as much as what we’d like to have? I know single mothers who work for minimum wage and dont complain…..stressed? sure. But they are so happy to have their kid(s) that no amount money would replace that experience. Masking greed for money as “i need it for the kids” and a woe-is-me tragedy of self pity is a cop out and a great way to instill a sense of irresponsibility and entitlement with your sons.

You dont want your boys to end up like their father……..a selfish one sided thinker who is unwilling to see the other persons point of view and unable to sacrifce or compromise for the good of the family, partnership, team. I woudl have to agree with you there. Unfortunately, even if their father isnt around….and they wont have a chance to learn it from him…..sounds like they’ll have a good chance to learn it from their mother.

J

P.S. Yes im married. Yes i have kids. And yes i would take my kids 100% in any circumstance possible. Luckily for me, i have them, and my wife 100% right now so i dont have to choose.

[temeculaguy]

I completely missed page two of the thread when I wrote, Sd and MG thanks for the props but it wasn’t a new siren that has me preoccupied, promotion at work and having to knock down extra hours due to the learning curve. Still a good trade off, better company car, mo money, status like a rockstar, my apologies for neglecting my homeboys.

Another thing, after reading marion’s page 2 posts, where do I sign up for the pot roast and back massages, this girl has it going on, she even mentioned “curvy” so as long as beans and rice didn’t miss this sister I may be in love already. In her posts she mentioned whipping someone into shape, any post from a woman metioning whips, gets a thumbs up.

FLU, tough schedule, as a parent of teens, I can tell you it gets better and more fun, at the end of the rat race there’s cheese and cheese is good (side note, dubliner cheese at costco has become one of my four food groups, goes with any wine and I’m certain was brought here by aliens, do try). FLU, 2 extra points for admitting that porn is a non negotiable part of a man’s schedule, you have taken the first step towards enlightenment.

[temeculaguy]

I completely missed page two of the thread when I wrote, Sd and MG thanks for the props but it wasn’t a new siren that has me preoccupied, promotion at work and having to knock down extra hours due to the learning curve. Still a good trade off, better company car, mo money, status like a rockstar, my apologies for neglecting my homeboys.

Another thing, after reading marion’s page 2 posts, where do I sign up for the pot roast and back massages, this girl has it going on, she even mentioned “curvy” so as long as beans and rice didn’t miss this sister I may be in love already. In her posts she mentioned whipping someone into shape, any post from a woman metioning whips, gets a thumbs up.

FLU, tough schedule, as a parent of teens, I can tell you it gets better and more fun, at the end of the rat race there’s cheese and cheese is good (side note, dubliner cheese at costco has become one of my four food groups, goes with any wine and I’m certain was brought here by aliens, do try). FLU, 2 extra points for admitting that porn is a non negotiable part of a man’s schedule, you have taken the first step towards enlightenment.

[temeculaguy]

I completely missed page two of the thread when I wrote, Sd and MG thanks for the props but it wasn’t a new siren that has me preoccupied, promotion at work and having to knock down extra hours due to the learning curve. Still a good trade off, better company car, mo money, status like a rockstar, my apologies for neglecting my homeboys.

Another thing, after reading marion’s page 2 posts, where do I sign up for the pot roast and back massages, this girl has it going on, she even mentioned “curvy” so as long as beans and rice didn’t miss this sister I may be in love already. In her posts she mentioned whipping someone into shape, any post from a woman metioning whips, gets a thumbs up.

FLU, tough schedule, as a parent of teens, I can tell you it gets better and more fun, at the end of the rat race there’s cheese and cheese is good (side note, dubliner cheese at costco has become one of my four food groups, goes with any wine and I’m certain was brought here by aliens, do try). FLU, 2 extra points for admitting that porn is a non negotiable part of a man’s schedule, you have taken the first step towards enlightenment.

[temeculaguy]

I completely missed page two of the thread when I wrote, Sd and MG thanks for the props but it wasn’t a new siren that has me preoccupied, promotion at work and having to knock down extra hours due to the learning curve. Still a good trade off, better company car, mo money, status like a rockstar, my apologies for neglecting my homeboys.

Another thing, after reading marion’s page 2 posts, where do I sign up for the pot roast and back massages, this girl has it going on, she even mentioned “curvy” so as long as beans and rice didn’t miss this sister I may be in love already. In her posts she mentioned whipping someone into shape, any post from a woman metioning whips, gets a thumbs up.

FLU, tough schedule, as a parent of teens, I can tell you it gets better and more fun, at the end of the rat race there’s cheese and cheese is good (side note, dubliner cheese at costco has become one of my four food groups, goes with any wine and I’m certain was brought here by aliens, do try). FLU, 2 extra points for admitting that porn is a non negotiable part of a man’s schedule, you have taken the first step towards enlightenment.

[temeculaguy]

I completely missed page two of the thread when I wrote, Sd and MG thanks for the props but it wasn’t a new siren that has me preoccupied, promotion at work and having to knock down extra hours due to the learning curve. Still a good trade off, better company car, mo money, status like a rockstar, my apologies for neglecting my homeboys.

Another thing, after reading marion’s page 2 posts, where do I sign up for the pot roast and back massages, this girl has it going on, she even mentioned “curvy” so as long as beans and rice didn’t miss this sister I may be in love already. In her posts she mentioned whipping someone into shape, any post from a woman metioning whips, gets a thumbs up.

FLU, tough schedule, as a parent of teens, I can tell you it gets better and more fun, at the end of the rat race there’s cheese and cheese is good (side note, dubliner cheese at costco has become one of my four food groups, goes with any wine and I’m certain was brought here by aliens, do try). FLU, 2 extra points for admitting that porn is a non negotiable part of a man’s schedule, you have taken the first step towards enlightenment.

[temeculaguy]

Sorry gang, been busy lately and I am late to this party. This whole thread is suspicious, I think my good friend and former boss is pretending to be Marion just to get me to write more since she complained recenlty that my posts are sparce lately. It’s too obvious, lives in Murrieta just a few miles away, has a deadbeat out of state ex who wont be slashing my tires, sounds hot, can cook, probably mid thirties to early forties, long dark hair, I feel like a mouse staring at the cheese on a moustrap thinking “cheese, my favorite, no wait, this is too perfect, who puts a perfectly good piece of cheese on the floor?” Other than the fit, size six part (built for comfort not speed is more my style, Tg likes the curves) there’s nothing to convince me that this isn’t a setup. O.K. I’ll bite.

On the off chance that marion is real, I am ashamed of my fellow testicle owners who are lambasting this woman for seeking money. What kind of a man moves to a state that is nowhere near his children. There’s a perfectly good way to avoid child support, change your life to have your kids at least half of the time. Real men raise their own children, anyone else isn’t qualified to drink with me. Almost every social ill can be traced back to men who spawn and move on. I read the posts of those who have sympathy for their bretheren who pay hefty child support bills but you only have half the story. I know those guys too and they ask me why I pay nothing, the secret, get the kids. Don’t just get them, parent them, do homework with them every night, never get a babysitter on Friday night, just hang with them. Never let them meet the latest love interest or even know about her, miss every social event, wedding, party, etc. just to be a parent. Lose every girlfriend because you won’t talk on the phone while you with your kids and you won’t run off for the weekend. Make less money, miss promotions because soccer practice is more important. The point is, make sacrifices to be the best dad you can be, you signed on the dotted line, now honor that. Go Kramer v. Kramer on her ass and get half if not more of their time and don’t just sit there while you have them like it is an obligation, it should be the part you look forward to. Do that and no Judge will take them away and you wont pay a dime. Better yet, they will actually be normal kids. Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.

I’ve offered my buddies assistance in getting their kids and eliminating child support but I have yet to meet one who didn’t back out once I told them that they can’t take off to vegas every other weekend with their new girlfriend that is half their age, that they wont see Vegas or twenty year olds naked for years, that’s where they start to twitch and I start to realize that they just want to be victims and complain about the money, screw em!!!

I am not on this soapbox looking for sympathy, I like getting a new girlfriend every two months, about the time they grow tired of being second fiddle i grow tired of them, it’s symbiotic.

Marion,I’m afraid the money is going to end but you will get a judgement and at some point you will get paid, the reality is that his line of work is over and it sounds like he jumped on the bandwagon with few skills and is exactly who will be shaken out. The birthday inflatable jumper business is not a road paved with gold either, you may have to start planning now on making it on your own but in the end you will be happier that you did and your kids will be proud of you even if Dr. Laura isn’t.

P.S. I do specialize in consoling divorcees and attending to their needs, so when the pressures seem to be too much to bear, you let ole TG know, he’s always here to help. I’m like a superhero that way.

[temeculaguy]

Sorry gang, been busy lately and I am late to this party. This whole thread is suspicious, I think my good friend and former boss is pretending to be Marion just to get me to write more since she complained recenlty that my posts are sparce lately. It’s too obvious, lives in Murrieta just a few miles away, has a deadbeat out of state ex who wont be slashing my tires, sounds hot, can cook, probably mid thirties to early forties, long dark hair, I feel like a mouse staring at the cheese on a moustrap thinking “cheese, my favorite, no wait, this is too perfect, who puts a perfectly good piece of cheese on the floor?” Other than the fit, size six part (built for comfort not speed is more my style, Tg likes the curves) there’s nothing to convince me that this isn’t a setup. O.K. I’ll bite.

On the off chance that marion is real, I am ashamed of my fellow testicle owners who are lambasting this woman for seeking money. What kind of a man moves to a state that is nowhere near his children. There’s a perfectly good way to avoid child support, change your life to have your kids at least half of the time. Real men raise their own children, anyone else isn’t qualified to drink with me. Almost every social ill can be traced back to men who spawn and move on. I read the posts of those who have sympathy for their bretheren who pay hefty child support bills but you only have half the story. I know those guys too and they ask me why I pay nothing, the secret, get the kids. Don’t just get them, parent them, do homework with them every night, never get a babysitter on Friday night, just hang with them. Never let them meet the latest love interest or even know about her, miss every social event, wedding, party, etc. just to be a parent. Lose every girlfriend because you won’t talk on the phone while you with your kids and you won’t run off for the weekend. Make less money, miss promotions because soccer practice is more important. The point is, make sacrifices to be the best dad you can be, you signed on the dotted line, now honor that. Go Kramer v. Kramer on her ass and get half if not more of their time and don’t just sit there while you have them like it is an obligation, it should be the part you look forward to. Do that and no Judge will take them away and you wont pay a dime. Better yet, they will actually be normal kids. Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.

I’ve offered my buddies assistance in getting their kids and eliminating child support but I have yet to meet one who didn’t back out once I told them that they can’t take off to vegas every other weekend with their new girlfriend that is half their age, that they wont see Vegas or twenty year olds naked for years, that’s where they start to twitch and I start to realize that they just want to be victims and complain about the money, screw em!!!

I am not on this soapbox looking for sympathy, I like getting a new girlfriend every two months, about the time they grow tired of being second fiddle i grow tired of them, it’s symbiotic.

Marion,I’m afraid the money is going to end but you will get a judgement and at some point you will get paid, the reality is that his line of work is over and it sounds like he jumped on the bandwagon with few skills and is exactly who will be shaken out. The birthday inflatable jumper business is not a road paved with gold either, you may have to start planning now on making it on your own but in the end you will be happier that you did and your kids will be proud of you even if Dr. Laura isn’t.

P.S. I do specialize in consoling divorcees and attending to their needs, so when the pressures seem to be too much to bear, you let ole TG know, he’s always here to help. I’m like a superhero that way.

[temeculaguy]

Sorry gang, been busy lately and I am late to this party. This whole thread is suspicious, I think my good friend and former boss is pretending to be Marion just to get me to write more since she complained recenlty that my posts are sparce lately. It’s too obvious, lives in Murrieta just a few miles away, has a deadbeat out of state ex who wont be slashing my tires, sounds hot, can cook, probably mid thirties to early forties, long dark hair, I feel like a mouse staring at the cheese on a moustrap thinking “cheese, my favorite, no wait, this is too perfect, who puts a perfectly good piece of cheese on the floor?” Other than the fit, size six part (built for comfort not speed is more my style, Tg likes the curves) there’s nothing to convince me that this isn’t a setup. O.K. I’ll bite.

On the off chance that marion is real, I am ashamed of my fellow testicle owners who are lambasting this woman for seeking money. What kind of a man moves to a state that is nowhere near his children. There’s a perfectly good way to avoid child support, change your life to have your kids at least half of the time. Real men raise their own children, anyone else isn’t qualified to drink with me. Almost every social ill can be traced back to men who spawn and move on. I read the posts of those who have sympathy for their bretheren who pay hefty child support bills but you only have half the story. I know those guys too and they ask me why I pay nothing, the secret, get the kids. Don’t just get them, parent them, do homework with them every night, never get a babysitter on Friday night, just hang with them. Never let them meet the latest love interest or even know about her, miss every social event, wedding, party, etc. just to be a parent. Lose every girlfriend because you won’t talk on the phone while you with your kids and you won’t run off for the weekend. Make less money, miss promotions because soccer practice is more important. The point is, make sacrifices to be the best dad you can be, you signed on the dotted line, now honor that. Go Kramer v. Kramer on her ass and get half if not more of their time and don’t just sit there while you have them like it is an obligation, it should be the part you look forward to. Do that and no Judge will take them away and you wont pay a dime. Better yet, they will actually be normal kids. Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.

I’ve offered my buddies assistance in getting their kids and eliminating child support but I have yet to meet one who didn’t back out once I told them that they can’t take off to vegas every other weekend with their new girlfriend that is half their age, that they wont see Vegas or twenty year olds naked for years, that’s where they start to twitch and I start to realize that they just want to be victims and complain about the money, screw em!!!

I am not on this soapbox looking for sympathy, I like getting a new girlfriend every two months, about the time they grow tired of being second fiddle i grow tired of them, it’s symbiotic.

Marion,I’m afraid the money is going to end but you will get a judgement and at some point you will get paid, the reality is that his line of work is over and it sounds like he jumped on the bandwagon with few skills and is exactly who will be shaken out. The birthday inflatable jumper business is not a road paved with gold either, you may have to start planning now on making it on your own but in the end you will be happier that you did and your kids will be proud of you even if Dr. Laura isn’t.

P.S. I do specialize in consoling divorcees and attending to their needs, so when the pressures seem to be too much to bear, you let ole TG know, he’s always here to help. I’m like a superhero that way.

[temeculaguy]

Sorry gang, been busy lately and I am late to this party. This whole thread is suspicious, I think my good friend and former boss is pretending to be Marion just to get me to write more since she complained recenlty that my posts are sparce lately. It’s too obvious, lives in Murrieta just a few miles away, has a deadbeat out of state ex who wont be slashing my tires, sounds hot, can cook, probably mid thirties to early forties, long dark hair, I feel like a mouse staring at the cheese on a moustrap thinking “cheese, my favorite, no wait, this is too perfect, who puts a perfectly good piece of cheese on the floor?” Other than the fit, size six part (built for comfort not speed is more my style, Tg likes the curves) there’s nothing to convince me that this isn’t a setup. O.K. I’ll bite.

On the off chance that marion is real, I am ashamed of my fellow testicle owners who are lambasting this woman for seeking money. What kind of a man moves to a state that is nowhere near his children. There’s a perfectly good way to avoid child support, change your life to have your kids at least half of the time. Real men raise their own children, anyone else isn’t qualified to drink with me. Almost every social ill can be traced back to men who spawn and move on. I read the posts of those who have sympathy for their bretheren who pay hefty child support bills but you only have half the story. I know those guys too and they ask me why I pay nothing, the secret, get the kids. Don’t just get them, parent them, do homework with them every night, never get a babysitter on Friday night, just hang with them. Never let them meet the latest love interest or even know about her, miss every social event, wedding, party, etc. just to be a parent. Lose every girlfriend because you won’t talk on the phone while you with your kids and you won’t run off for the weekend. Make less money, miss promotions because soccer practice is more important. The point is, make sacrifices to be the best dad you can be, you signed on the dotted line, now honor that. Go Kramer v. Kramer on her ass and get half if not more of their time and don’t just sit there while you have them like it is an obligation, it should be the part you look forward to. Do that and no Judge will take them away and you wont pay a dime. Better yet, they will actually be normal kids. Divorce doesn’t screw kids up, selfish parents do.

I’ve offered my buddies assistance in getting their kids and eliminating child support but I have yet to meet one who didn’t back out once I told them that they can’t take off to vegas every other weekend with their new girlfriend that is half their age, that they wont see Vegas or twenty year olds naked for years, that’s where they start to twitch and I start to realize that they just want to be victims and complain about the money, screw em!!!

I am not on this soapbox looking for sympathy, I like getting a new girlfriend every two months, about the time they grow tired of being second fiddle i grow tired of them, it’s symbiotic.

Marion,I’m afraid the money is going to end but you will get a judgement and at some point you will get paid, the reality is that his line of work is over and it sounds like he jumped on the bandwagon with few skills and is exactly who will be shaken out. The birthday inflatable jumper business is not a road paved with gold either, you may have to start planning now on making it on your own but in the end you will be happier that you did and your kids will be proud of you even if Dr. Laura isn’t.

P.S. I do specialize in consoling divorcees and attending to their needs, so when the pressures seem to be too much to bear, you let ole TG know, he’s always here to help. I’m like a superhero that way.

[Anonymous]

“PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?”

Actually, I’m a trim and fit size 6, educated, with long, dark hair. Not only that, I’d bet the farm when it comes time to be intimate, you wouldn’t want to put a brown paper bag over my head. The problem for my ex was I’m not a “Stepford wife”.

One more thing, I can cook up a pot roast like it’s nobody’s business! 🙂

[Anonymous]

“PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?”

Actually, I’m a trim and fit size 6, educated, with long, dark hair. Not only that, I’d bet the farm when it comes time to be intimate, you wouldn’t want to put a brown paper bag over my head. The problem for my ex was I’m not a “Stepford wife”.

One more thing, I can cook up a pot roast like it’s nobody’s business! 🙂

[Anonymous]

“PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?”

Actually, I’m a trim and fit size 6, educated, with long, dark hair. Not only that, I’d bet the farm when it comes time to be intimate, you wouldn’t want to put a brown paper bag over my head. The problem for my ex was I’m not a “Stepford wife”.

One more thing, I can cook up a pot roast like it’s nobody’s business! 🙂

[Anonymous]

“PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?”

Actually, I’m a trim and fit size 6, educated, with long, dark hair. Not only that, I’d bet the farm when it comes time to be intimate, you wouldn’t want to put a brown paper bag over my head. The problem for my ex was I’m not a “Stepford wife”.

One more thing, I can cook up a pot roast like it’s nobody’s business! 🙂

[mgubnyc1]

All you boys take notes!! Don’t fall into this trap women weave, get a prenup! If she won’t sign then drop her.

PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?

[mgubnyc1]

All you boys take notes!! Don’t fall into this trap women weave, get a prenup! If she won’t sign then drop her.

PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?

[mgubnyc1]

All you boys take notes!! Don’t fall into this trap women weave, get a prenup! If she won’t sign then drop her.

PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?

[mgubnyc1]

All you boys take notes!! Don’t fall into this trap women weave, get a prenup! If she won’t sign then drop her.

PS Marion why haven’t you found a new victem yet? Did you gain a lot of weight? Cut off all your hair?

[patientlywaiting]

Men really need to keep their dicks in their pants if they don’t want to pay up. Women on the other hand are all too eager to procreate thinking that it’ll bring happiness to the relationship and to use the children as pawns.

I do agree that you can’t squeeze juice out of sand. The whole family better get ready for a change in lifestyle. Married, or divorced, a family’s lifestyle depends on the parent’s earnings. The judge will look at the parents’ total earnings and allocate the funds based on that. There’s nothing else the judge can do.

[patientlywaiting]

Men really need to keep their dicks in their pants if they don’t want to pay up. Women on the other hand are all too eager to procreate thinking that it’ll bring happiness to the relationship and to use the children as pawns.

I do agree that you can’t squeeze juice out of sand. The whole family better get ready for a change in lifestyle. Married, or divorced, a family’s lifestyle depends on the parent’s earnings. The judge will look at the parents’ total earnings and allocate the funds based on that. There’s nothing else the judge can do.

[patientlywaiting]

Men really need to keep their dicks in their pants if they don’t want to pay up. Women on the other hand are all too eager to procreate thinking that it’ll bring happiness to the relationship and to use the children as pawns.

I do agree that you can’t squeeze juice out of sand. The whole family better get ready for a change in lifestyle. Married, or divorced, a family’s lifestyle depends on the parent’s earnings. The judge will look at the parents’ total earnings and allocate the funds based on that. There’s nothing else the judge can do.

[patientlywaiting]

Men really need to keep their dicks in their pants if they don’t want to pay up. Women on the other hand are all too eager to procreate thinking that it’ll bring happiness to the relationship and to use the children as pawns.

I do agree that you can’t squeeze juice out of sand. The whole family better get ready for a change in lifestyle. Married, or divorced, a family’s lifestyle depends on the parent’s earnings. The judge will look at the parents’ total earnings and allocate the funds based on that. There’s nothing else the judge can do.

[Anonymous]

Sorry Marion, no sympathy here. I work in a career field where half of the guys pay $4-$5k a month in alimony for “failed” marriages. Have you even thought about how he is going to support HIMSELF on this lower income? How will he pay for his expenses? Oh that’s right, the courts don’t care about the primary wage earner, I forgot about that.

[Anonymous]

Sorry Marion, no sympathy here. I work in a career field where half of the guys pay $4-$5k a month in alimony for “failed” marriages. Have you even thought about how he is going to support HIMSELF on this lower income? How will he pay for his expenses? Oh that’s right, the courts don’t care about the primary wage earner, I forgot about that.

[Anonymous]

Sorry Marion, no sympathy here. I work in a career field where half of the guys pay $4-$5k a month in alimony for “failed” marriages. Have you even thought about how he is going to support HIMSELF on this lower income? How will he pay for his expenses? Oh that’s right, the courts don’t care about the primary wage earner, I forgot about that.

[Anonymous]

Sorry Marion, no sympathy here. I work in a career field where half of the guys pay $4-$5k a month in alimony for “failed” marriages. Have you even thought about how he is going to support HIMSELF on this lower income? How will he pay for his expenses? Oh that’s right, the courts don’t care about the primary wage earner, I forgot about that.

[Anonymous]

forgot to add: if the ex wins I’m gonna be crying like a baby as I recently graduated with my degree and haven’t secured a position in my field yet. I’m presently earning the pitiful salary of a substitute teacher as this job affords me the flexibility of not working the days I am offered interviews on.

I’m very worried that the declining market in relation to the ex’s career won’t bode well for me at the hearing. 🙁

[Anonymous]

forgot to add: if the ex wins I’m gonna be crying like a baby as I recently graduated with my degree and haven’t secured a position in my field yet. I’m presently earning the pitiful salary of a substitute teacher as this job affords me the flexibility of not working the days I am offered interviews on.

I’m very worried that the declining market in relation to the ex’s career won’t bode well for me at the hearing. 🙁

[Anonymous]

forgot to add: if the ex wins I’m gonna be crying like a baby as I recently graduated with my degree and haven’t secured a position in my field yet. I’m presently earning the pitiful salary of a substitute teacher as this job affords me the flexibility of not working the days I am offered interviews on.

I’m very worried that the declining market in relation to the ex’s career won’t bode well for me at the hearing. 🙁

[Anonymous]

forgot to add: if the ex wins I’m gonna be crying like a baby as I recently graduated with my degree and haven’t secured a position in my field yet. I’m presently earning the pitiful salary of a substitute teacher as this job affords me the flexibility of not working the days I am offered interviews on.

I’m very worried that the declining market in relation to the ex’s career won’t bode well for me at the hearing. 🙁

[4plexowner]

My guess as to the income potential of a loan broker in Arizona (or Orange County) right now – especially one without an existing network of recent clients: $0

Any loan broker worth his salt should have been making $155K in 2003 – one of my buddies was making this kind of money JUST doing refis for his past clients – his past clients kept calling him to do refis because interest rates kept dropping – he didn’t have to do any advertising for new loan business

The market has changed dramatically since then

~

As a father I am interested to see how the court handles this one – if the court really doesn’t care about the man (which is the perspective of men paying alimony and child support) it will award you benefits based on the $155K – a more realistic decision IMO would be to assume that the guy will earn the median wage for the area and then revisit the decision in six months or a year

[golfproz]

I doubt he could find a job as a broker right now. I personally know 3 out of work brokers. These guys are all long timers with years of experience and not one of the new young wannabee’s. There’s just no one hiring in that field, most places are still laying off.

You might want to read this article

http://www.ocregister.com/money/year-job-mortgage-1926685-time-work

[golfproz]

I doubt he could find a job as a broker right now. I personally know 3 out of work brokers. These guys are all long timers with years of experience and not one of the new young wannabee’s. There’s just no one hiring in that field, most places are still laying off.

You might want to read this article

http://www.ocregister.com/money/year-job-mortgage-1926685-time-work

[golfproz]

I doubt he could find a job as a broker right now. I personally know 3 out of work brokers. These guys are all long timers with years of experience and not one of the new young wannabee’s. There’s just no one hiring in that field, most places are still laying off.

You might want to read this article

http://www.ocregister.com/money/year-job-mortgage-1926685-time-work

[golfproz]

I doubt he could find a job as a broker right now. I personally know 3 out of work brokers. These guys are all long timers with years of experience and not one of the new young wannabee’s. There’s just no one hiring in that field, most places are still laying off.

You might want to read this article

http://www.ocregister.com/money/year-job-mortgage-1926685-time-work

[golfproz]

I doubt he could find a job as a broker right now. I personally know 3 out of work brokers. These guys are all long timers with years of experience and not one of the new young wannabee’s. There’s just no one hiring in that field, most places are still laying off.

You might want to read this article

http://www.ocregister.com/money/year-job-mortgage-1926685-time-work

[4plexowner]

My guess as to the income potential of a loan broker in Arizona (or Orange County) right now – especially one without an existing network of recent clients: $0

Any loan broker worth his salt should have been making $155K in 2003 – one of my buddies was making this kind of money JUST doing refis for his past clients – his past clients kept calling him to do refis because interest rates kept dropping – he didn’t have to do any advertising for new loan business

The market has changed dramatically since then

~

As a father I am interested to see how the court handles this one – if the court really doesn’t care about the man (which is the perspective of men paying alimony and child support) it will award you benefits based on the $155K – a more realistic decision IMO would be to assume that the guy will earn the median wage for the area and then revisit the decision in six months or a year

[4plexowner]

My guess as to the income potential of a loan broker in Arizona (or Orange County) right now – especially one without an existing network of recent clients: $0

Any loan broker worth his salt should have been making $155K in 2003 – one of my buddies was making this kind of money JUST doing refis for his past clients – his past clients kept calling him to do refis because interest rates kept dropping – he didn’t have to do any advertising for new loan business

The market has changed dramatically since then

~

As a father I am interested to see how the court handles this one – if the court really doesn’t care about the man (which is the perspective of men paying alimony and child support) it will award you benefits based on the $155K – a more realistic decision IMO would be to assume that the guy will earn the median wage for the area and then revisit the decision in six months or a year

[4plexowner]

My guess as to the income potential of a loan broker in Arizona (or Orange County) right now – especially one without an existing network of recent clients: $0

Any loan broker worth his salt should have been making $155K in 2003 – one of my buddies was making this kind of money JUST doing refis for his past clients – his past clients kept calling him to do refis because interest rates kept dropping – he didn’t have to do any advertising for new loan business

The market has changed dramatically since then

~

As a father I am interested to see how the court handles this one – if the court really doesn’t care about the man (which is the perspective of men paying alimony and child support) it will award you benefits based on the $155K – a more realistic decision IMO would be to assume that the guy will earn the median wage for the area and then revisit the decision in six months or a year

[4plexowner]

My guess as to the income potential of a loan broker in Arizona (or Orange County) right now – especially one without an existing network of recent clients: $0

Any loan broker worth his salt should have been making $155K in 2003 – one of my buddies was making this kind of money JUST doing refis for his past clients – his past clients kept calling him to do refis because interest rates kept dropping – he didn’t have to do any advertising for new loan business

The market has changed dramatically since then

~

As a father I am interested to see how the court handles this one – if the court really doesn’t care about the man (which is the perspective of men paying alimony and child support) it will award you benefits based on the $155K – a more realistic decision IMO would be to assume that the guy will earn the median wage for the area and then revisit the decision in six months or a year

[bsrsharma]

Slightly besides the point; With $155K annual income, what are the assets/savings to fall back on in what is most certainly going to be a nasty recession in California & Arizona? A lawyer can’t squeeze juice out of sand.

[bsrsharma]

Slightly besides the point; With $155K annual income, what are the assets/savings to fall back on in what is most certainly going to be a nasty recession in California & Arizona? A lawyer can’t squeeze juice out of sand.

[bsrsharma]

Slightly besides the point; With $155K annual income, what are the assets/savings to fall back on in what is most certainly going to be a nasty recession in California & Arizona? A lawyer can’t squeeze juice out of sand.

[bsrsharma]

Slightly besides the point; With $155K annual income, what are the assets/savings to fall back on in what is most certainly going to be a nasty recession in California & Arizona? A lawyer can’t squeeze juice out of sand.

[bsrsharma]

Slightly besides the point; With $155K annual income, what are the assets/savings to fall back on in what is most certainly going to be a nasty recession in California & Arizona? A lawyer can’t squeeze juice out of sand.

[Trojan4Life]

Guys, take it easy. I’ve been on the receiving end of a divorce and while the judge didn’t grant alimony the child support I paid was deserved – by the kids. Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter), but the truth of the matter is most men just start a whole new life while the women carry the baggage (kids) for a long time. Not saying it’s fair financially, but let’s be completely honest here…we are far better off after the divorce than the women are. This is coming from a guy who shelled out over $60K in child support (I got off easy as my income was low at the time). She never went in for a readjustment when I started making more, but my ex also worked.

Marion, what skillset do you have? What degree(s)? How are you marketing yourself and how open are you to working outside of your area of expertise?

[Anonymous]

“Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter)”

Hehehe. Knowing men,”salary” would be a close second… Let’s be honest here.

Moving on, I have a bachelors and a Masters in Educational Psychology and a credential authorizing me to work as a school psychologist. I perform as a psychologist in the schools, minus the in-depth psychotherapy.

Other than that, my skills are limited. I was a stay-at-home mom during my 10-year marriage. Before that, I worked here in there in customer service and receptionist positions. However, I am now working as a substitute teacher, so I have experience in that. I cannot work as a full-time teacher (don’t want to either) as you need a regular education teaching credential for that.

In the education profession, there is a national database that posts open positions. I would say 99% of the positions in education are posted there. I have my resume and credentials posted there and whenever a position opens up, I am able to apply online.

[Anonymous]

“Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter)”

Hehehe. Knowing men,”salary” would be a close second… Let’s be honest here.

Moving on, I have a bachelors and a Masters in Educational Psychology and a credential authorizing me to work as a school psychologist. I perform as a psychologist in the schools, minus the in-depth psychotherapy.

Other than that, my skills are limited. I was a stay-at-home mom during my 10-year marriage. Before that, I worked here in there in customer service and receptionist positions. However, I am now working as a substitute teacher, so I have experience in that. I cannot work as a full-time teacher (don’t want to either) as you need a regular education teaching credential for that.

In the education profession, there is a national database that posts open positions. I would say 99% of the positions in education are posted there. I have my resume and credentials posted there and whenever a position opens up, I am able to apply online.

[Anonymous]

“Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter)”

Hehehe. Knowing men,”salary” would be a close second… Let’s be honest here.

Moving on, I have a bachelors and a Masters in Educational Psychology and a credential authorizing me to work as a school psychologist. I perform as a psychologist in the schools, minus the in-depth psychotherapy.

Other than that, my skills are limited. I was a stay-at-home mom during my 10-year marriage. Before that, I worked here in there in customer service and receptionist positions. However, I am now working as a substitute teacher, so I have experience in that. I cannot work as a full-time teacher (don’t want to either) as you need a regular education teaching credential for that.

In the education profession, there is a national database that posts open positions. I would say 99% of the positions in education are posted there. I have my resume and credentials posted there and whenever a position opens up, I am able to apply online.

[Anonymous]

“Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter)”

Hehehe. Knowing men,”salary” would be a close second… Let’s be honest here.

Moving on, I have a bachelors and a Masters in Educational Psychology and a credential authorizing me to work as a school psychologist. I perform as a psychologist in the schools, minus the in-depth psychotherapy.

Other than that, my skills are limited. I was a stay-at-home mom during my 10-year marriage. Before that, I worked here in there in customer service and receptionist positions. However, I am now working as a substitute teacher, so I have experience in that. I cannot work as a full-time teacher (don’t want to either) as you need a regular education teaching credential for that.

In the education profession, there is a national database that posts open positions. I would say 99% of the positions in education are posted there. I have my resume and credentials posted there and whenever a position opens up, I am able to apply online.

[Anonymous]

“Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter)”

Hehehe. Knowing men,”salary” would be a close second… Let’s be honest here.

Moving on, I have a bachelors and a Masters in Educational Psychology and a credential authorizing me to work as a school psychologist. I perform as a psychologist in the schools, minus the in-depth psychotherapy.

Other than that, my skills are limited. I was a stay-at-home mom during my 10-year marriage. Before that, I worked here in there in customer service and receptionist positions. However, I am now working as a substitute teacher, so I have experience in that. I cannot work as a full-time teacher (don’t want to either) as you need a regular education teaching credential for that.

In the education profession, there is a national database that posts open positions. I would say 99% of the positions in education are posted there. I have my resume and credentials posted there and whenever a position opens up, I am able to apply online.

[Anonymous]

Child support is ok, even though we know most of the cash doesn’t go to the kids. My good friend pays $1k per month in child support for a 5 year old. This, of course, is in addition to the $3,500/month in alimony he pays. Does a 5 year old really consume $1k per month in goods/services etc? Ironically his ex-wife’s name is Marion too! LMAO.

Take your questions elsewhere Marion. Now back to our regularly scheduled Real Estate bashing……..

[Anonymous]

For the people bashing Marion and alimony, if the shoe was on the other foot I’ll bet most of you would think differently. I’d go so far as to say you’d be screaming about how unfair your situation was. Afterall it most likely wasn’t you who put a career on hold or who are the primary caregiver for the children you created. What gets me about these kinds of arguments is that they don’t take into account how the kids benefitted from having a stay at home parent and how the spouse working also benefitted. They gladly took their cake and now want to eat it too. Quit your whining.

[Anonymous]

For the people bashing Marion and alimony, if the shoe was on the other foot I’ll bet most of you would think differently. I’d go so far as to say you’d be screaming about how unfair your situation was. Afterall it most likely wasn’t you who put a career on hold or who are the primary caregiver for the children you created. What gets me about these kinds of arguments is that they don’t take into account how the kids benefitted from having a stay at home parent and how the spouse working also benefitted. They gladly took their cake and now want to eat it too. Quit your whining.

[Anonymous]

For the people bashing Marion and alimony, if the shoe was on the other foot I’ll bet most of you would think differently. I’d go so far as to say you’d be screaming about how unfair your situation was. Afterall it most likely wasn’t you who put a career on hold or who are the primary caregiver for the children you created. What gets me about these kinds of arguments is that they don’t take into account how the kids benefitted from having a stay at home parent and how the spouse working also benefitted. They gladly took their cake and now want to eat it too. Quit your whining.

[Anonymous]

For the people bashing Marion and alimony, if the shoe was on the other foot I’ll bet most of you would think differently. I’d go so far as to say you’d be screaming about how unfair your situation was. Afterall it most likely wasn’t you who put a career on hold or who are the primary caregiver for the children you created. What gets me about these kinds of arguments is that they don’t take into account how the kids benefitted from having a stay at home parent and how the spouse working also benefitted. They gladly took their cake and now want to eat it too. Quit your whining.

[Anonymous]

For the people bashing Marion and alimony, if the shoe was on the other foot I’ll bet most of you would think differently. I’d go so far as to say you’d be screaming about how unfair your situation was. Afterall it most likely wasn’t you who put a career on hold or who are the primary caregiver for the children you created. What gets me about these kinds of arguments is that they don’t take into account how the kids benefitted from having a stay at home parent and how the spouse working also benefitted. They gladly took their cake and now want to eat it too. Quit your whining.

[Anonymous]

Child support is ok, even though we know most of the cash doesn’t go to the kids. My good friend pays $1k per month in child support for a 5 year old. This, of course, is in addition to the $3,500/month in alimony he pays. Does a 5 year old really consume $1k per month in goods/services etc? Ironically his ex-wife’s name is Marion too! LMAO.

Take your questions elsewhere Marion. Now back to our regularly scheduled Real Estate bashing……..

[Anonymous]

Child support is ok, even though we know most of the cash doesn’t go to the kids. My good friend pays $1k per month in child support for a 5 year old. This, of course, is in addition to the $3,500/month in alimony he pays. Does a 5 year old really consume $1k per month in goods/services etc? Ironically his ex-wife’s name is Marion too! LMAO.

Take your questions elsewhere Marion. Now back to our regularly scheduled Real Estate bashing……..

[Anonymous]

Child support is ok, even though we know most of the cash doesn’t go to the kids. My good friend pays $1k per month in child support for a 5 year old. This, of course, is in addition to the $3,500/month in alimony he pays. Does a 5 year old really consume $1k per month in goods/services etc? Ironically his ex-wife’s name is Marion too! LMAO.

Take your questions elsewhere Marion. Now back to our regularly scheduled Real Estate bashing……..

[Anonymous]

Child support is ok, even though we know most of the cash doesn’t go to the kids. My good friend pays $1k per month in child support for a 5 year old. This, of course, is in addition to the $3,500/month in alimony he pays. Does a 5 year old really consume $1k per month in goods/services etc? Ironically his ex-wife’s name is Marion too! LMAO.

Take your questions elsewhere Marion. Now back to our regularly scheduled Real Estate bashing……..

[Anonymous]

waiting to buy, assuming your good friend got screwed by his ex-both figuratively and literally-why take it out on me? As far as 1k to support a child, that’s not much these days. The child deserves a roof over his/her head-a nice one-just like you do. And food costs are very high; these days it takes a side of beef to satiate my kids.

Piggingtons,what about the buyers who are able to refinance their arms or whatever other unsavory loan product they received to a more affordable fixed rate? Isn’t there a market for that service?

Well, on second thought, the buyers who can do this are probably few and far between because they bought such ridiculously expensive homes they can’t afford them at today’s fixed rates anyway. Thanks Greenspan.

[Anonymous]

waiting to buy, assuming your good friend got screwed by his ex-both figuratively and literally-why take it out on me? As far as 1k to support a child, that’s not much these days. The child deserves a roof over his/her head-a nice one-just like you do. And food costs are very high; these days it takes a side of beef to satiate my kids.

Piggingtons,what about the buyers who are able to refinance their arms or whatever other unsavory loan product they received to a more affordable fixed rate? Isn’t there a market for that service?

Well, on second thought, the buyers who can do this are probably few and far between because they bought such ridiculously expensive homes they can’t afford them at today’s fixed rates anyway. Thanks Greenspan.

[Anonymous]

waiting to buy, assuming your good friend got screwed by his ex-both figuratively and literally-why take it out on me? As far as 1k to support a child, that’s not much these days. The child deserves a roof over his/her head-a nice one-just like you do. And food costs are very high; these days it takes a side of beef to satiate my kids.

Piggingtons,what about the buyers who are able to refinance their arms or whatever other unsavory loan product they received to a more affordable fixed rate? Isn’t there a market for that service?

Well, on second thought, the buyers who can do this are probably few and far between because they bought such ridiculously expensive homes they can’t afford them at today’s fixed rates anyway. Thanks Greenspan.

[Anonymous]

waiting to buy, assuming your good friend got screwed by his ex-both figuratively and literally-why take it out on me? As far as 1k to support a child, that’s not much these days. The child deserves a roof over his/her head-a nice one-just like you do. And food costs are very high; these days it takes a side of beef to satiate my kids.

Piggingtons,what about the buyers who are able to refinance their arms or whatever other unsavory loan product they received to a more affordable fixed rate? Isn’t there a market for that service?

Well, on second thought, the buyers who can do this are probably few and far between because they bought such ridiculously expensive homes they can’t afford them at today’s fixed rates anyway. Thanks Greenspan.

[Anonymous]

waiting to buy, assuming your good friend got screwed by his ex-both figuratively and literally-why take it out on me? As far as 1k to support a child, that’s not much these days. The child deserves a roof over his/her head-a nice one-just like you do. And food costs are very high; these days it takes a side of beef to satiate my kids.

Piggingtons,what about the buyers who are able to refinance their arms or whatever other unsavory loan product they received to a more affordable fixed rate? Isn’t there a market for that service?

Well, on second thought, the buyers who can do this are probably few and far between because they bought such ridiculously expensive homes they can’t afford them at today’s fixed rates anyway. Thanks Greenspan.

[Trojan4Life]

Guys, take it easy. I’ve been on the receiving end of a divorce and while the judge didn’t grant alimony the child support I paid was deserved – by the kids. Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter), but the truth of the matter is most men just start a whole new life while the women carry the baggage (kids) for a long time. Not saying it’s fair financially, but let’s be completely honest here…we are far better off after the divorce than the women are. This is coming from a guy who shelled out over $60K in child support (I got off easy as my income was low at the time). She never went in for a readjustment when I started making more, but my ex also worked.

Marion, what skillset do you have? What degree(s)? How are you marketing yourself and how open are you to working outside of your area of expertise?

[Trojan4Life]

Guys, take it easy. I’ve been on the receiving end of a divorce and while the judge didn’t grant alimony the child support I paid was deserved – by the kids. Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter), but the truth of the matter is most men just start a whole new life while the women carry the baggage (kids) for a long time. Not saying it’s fair financially, but let’s be completely honest here…we are far better off after the divorce than the women are. This is coming from a guy who shelled out over $60K in child support (I got off easy as my income was low at the time). She never went in for a readjustment when I started making more, but my ex also worked.

Marion, what skillset do you have? What degree(s)? How are you marketing yourself and how open are you to working outside of your area of expertise?

[Trojan4Life]

Guys, take it easy. I’ve been on the receiving end of a divorce and while the judge didn’t grant alimony the child support I paid was deserved – by the kids. Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter), but the truth of the matter is most men just start a whole new life while the women carry the baggage (kids) for a long time. Not saying it’s fair financially, but let’s be completely honest here…we are far better off after the divorce than the women are. This is coming from a guy who shelled out over $60K in child support (I got off easy as my income was low at the time). She never went in for a readjustment when I started making more, but my ex also worked.

Marion, what skillset do you have? What degree(s)? How are you marketing yourself and how open are you to working outside of your area of expertise?

[Trojan4Life]

Guys, take it easy. I’ve been on the receiving end of a divorce and while the judge didn’t grant alimony the child support I paid was deserved – by the kids. Men get emotionally attached to the $$$ in a divorce because we often derive our self worth through the size of our….salary (get your heads out of the gutter), but the truth of the matter is most men just start a whole new life while the women carry the baggage (kids) for a long time. Not saying it’s fair financially, but let’s be completely honest here…we are far better off after the divorce than the women are. This is coming from a guy who shelled out over $60K in child support (I got off easy as my income was low at the time). She never went in for a readjustment when I started making more, but my ex also worked.

Marion, what skillset do you have? What degree(s)? How are you marketing yourself and how open are you to working outside of your area of expertise?

[Trojan4Life]

Marion,

Are you open to relocating? If so, how far?

Also, I’m married but if I wasn’t…rrrrrrrrooooaaaarrrr!!!

🙂

[mgubnyc1]

Marion, next time you see the cuban, ask her what kind of divorce settlements cuban men get hit with should they divorce, then you’ll understand your ex’s comment about American women.

I have to apoligize to you, you are one of the few American Women that don’t gain 60lbs and cut off their hair after having kids.
Most forget about the gym

Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!

[Anonymous]

mgubnyc: “Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!”

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

[nostradamus]

I would love to put my career on hold and be a stay at home dad. Any ladies out there wanna take me up on this? All I will need to get started is for you to buy me a diamond engagement ring. If it doesn’t work out don’t worry, I’ll opt for alimony (after all, I courageously put my career on hold for you while you were out having fun working) and you can be on your way.

[Anonymous]

Will you bring me my slippers at the door, have a hot casserole waiting for me on the table, and give me a foot massage when I get home? If so, I may be interested.

Also, I may ask you for a pre-nup.

About the diamond ring, would you mind if I bought it a the “jewelry exchange”? I’m a very practical woman-pretty too. Think you could deal with that?

🙂

[blue_sky]

Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).

[Anonymous]

blue sky: “Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).”

Oh, hell no. You’re not being treated right. I’ll have a hot dinner waiting, your slippers at the door, the kid fed and in bed. Next a nice, warm bubbble bath complete with a lingering back massage and then…

Wait! I’m not from Cuba! I’m one of those “American b*tches”

🙂

[mgubnyc1]

I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?

how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington

[Anonymous]

“I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

OMG!

“so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?”

Real estate in Murrieta is doing very bad. There are hundreds of houses just sitting on the market. I rent and am paying a very good price, but am having trouble with the owners (another thread I started on here) so I may not be renting my current home much longer.

“how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington”

I have always had an interest in the real estate market, particularly now since it’s glaringly obvious that the market will crash to a point where I will actually be able to afford a home in California as a single mom. I found this site through reading blogs about the current condition of the housing market. There was a link to one of your articles on one particularly blog, it may have been Patrick.net. So far, I enjoy this site very much. There is a great deal of knowledge here concerning the housing market, economics and real estate in general.

[mgubnyc1]

I can assure you the real estate business is the same in Arizona, how much does you ex make renting those jumping things??? don’t forget also your vig on the home babysitting business generating the “cash”

I know why ~)

your ex must have bought a house in Arizona a couple of years ago right 100% LTV, he since has re mortgaged twice and has multiple lines of credit secured by this house in AZ.

[mgubnyc1]

and no more disability checks to make the payments!!

shit, you need to find a sugar daddy fast?

anybody interested in helping out this American Babe?

[Anonymous]

Mr. Pigginton, your divorce was that bad, huh?…She must have played you like a two-dollar fiddle and then some…{chuckles}.

Anyway, I don’t know if I’d call myself a “babe”. Babes usually don’t have two college degrees, do they Mr. Pigginton?

By the way, my ex is worth a LOT more than $2k a month. Heck, my 12-year-old can make more than that selling lemonade.

🙂

[mgubnyc1]

SD, TG must have found one of these down and out, Murrieta “BABES” thats why he’s no where to be found, so many sad stories to be heard, so many hearts to mend. busy busy busy

[SD Realtor]

mgubnyc1, you and I know tg is out there working the field…. heheheh..

This is a great thread… it could be one of those lifetime movies… here we have Marion an attractive curvy size 6 divorcee who has the on line mystique and has stirred up a whole nest of real estate bears…she can whip up a pot roast, give you a hot bubble bath and massage, love ya and then put you on the coach and psychoanalyze you… an ex hubby who has perpetrated a disability scam while going to Cuba to poach a little 17 year old senorita… have a kid and then start a daycare in Arizona…

You cannot make this stuff up!!!

Marion – just adding a little levity here,,, I am enjoying your posts…

On the serious side I don’t know what the net worth of you ex is now but really, if he was a loan officer he really is pretty screwed now. I would be willing to bet that whatever new venture he is in, it makes more then a current loan officer these days.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

mgubnyc1, you and I know tg is out there working the field…. heheheh..

This is a great thread… it could be one of those lifetime movies… here we have Marion an attractive curvy size 6 divorcee who has the on line mystique and has stirred up a whole nest of real estate bears…she can whip up a pot roast, give you a hot bubble bath and massage, love ya and then put you on the coach and psychoanalyze you… an ex hubby who has perpetrated a disability scam while going to Cuba to poach a little 17 year old senorita… have a kid and then start a daycare in Arizona…

You cannot make this stuff up!!!

Marion – just adding a little levity here,,, I am enjoying your posts…

On the serious side I don’t know what the net worth of you ex is now but really, if he was a loan officer he really is pretty screwed now. I would be willing to bet that whatever new venture he is in, it makes more then a current loan officer these days.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

mgubnyc1, you and I know tg is out there working the field…. heheheh..

This is a great thread… it could be one of those lifetime movies… here we have Marion an attractive curvy size 6 divorcee who has the on line mystique and has stirred up a whole nest of real estate bears…she can whip up a pot roast, give you a hot bubble bath and massage, love ya and then put you on the coach and psychoanalyze you… an ex hubby who has perpetrated a disability scam while going to Cuba to poach a little 17 year old senorita… have a kid and then start a daycare in Arizona…

You cannot make this stuff up!!!

Marion – just adding a little levity here,,, I am enjoying your posts…

On the serious side I don’t know what the net worth of you ex is now but really, if he was a loan officer he really is pretty screwed now. I would be willing to bet that whatever new venture he is in, it makes more then a current loan officer these days.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

mgubnyc1, you and I know tg is out there working the field…. heheheh..

This is a great thread… it could be one of those lifetime movies… here we have Marion an attractive curvy size 6 divorcee who has the on line mystique and has stirred up a whole nest of real estate bears…she can whip up a pot roast, give you a hot bubble bath and massage, love ya and then put you on the coach and psychoanalyze you… an ex hubby who has perpetrated a disability scam while going to Cuba to poach a little 17 year old senorita… have a kid and then start a daycare in Arizona…

You cannot make this stuff up!!!

Marion – just adding a little levity here,,, I am enjoying your posts…

On the serious side I don’t know what the net worth of you ex is now but really, if he was a loan officer he really is pretty screwed now. I would be willing to bet that whatever new venture he is in, it makes more then a current loan officer these days.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

mgubnyc1, you and I know tg is out there working the field…. heheheh..

This is a great thread… it could be one of those lifetime movies… here we have Marion an attractive curvy size 6 divorcee who has the on line mystique and has stirred up a whole nest of real estate bears…she can whip up a pot roast, give you a hot bubble bath and massage, love ya and then put you on the coach and psychoanalyze you… an ex hubby who has perpetrated a disability scam while going to Cuba to poach a little 17 year old senorita… have a kid and then start a daycare in Arizona…

You cannot make this stuff up!!!

Marion – just adding a little levity here,,, I am enjoying your posts…

On the serious side I don’t know what the net worth of you ex is now but really, if he was a loan officer he really is pretty screwed now. I would be willing to bet that whatever new venture he is in, it makes more then a current loan officer these days.

SD Realtor

[mgubnyc1]

SD, TG must have found one of these down and out, Murrieta “BABES” thats why he’s no where to be found, so many sad stories to be heard, so many hearts to mend. busy busy busy

[mgubnyc1]

SD, TG must have found one of these down and out, Murrieta “BABES” thats why he’s no where to be found, so many sad stories to be heard, so many hearts to mend. busy busy busy

[mgubnyc1]

SD, TG must have found one of these down and out, Murrieta “BABES” thats why he’s no where to be found, so many sad stories to be heard, so many hearts to mend. busy busy busy

[mgubnyc1]

SD, TG must have found one of these down and out, Murrieta “BABES” thats why he’s no where to be found, so many sad stories to be heard, so many hearts to mend. busy busy busy

[patientlywaiting]

I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?

[Anonymous]

“I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?”

patientlywaiting, thank you. 🙂

Sushi? Oh, I can do the sushi. My ex mother-in-law is Japanese and she taught me how to cook authentic, Japanese dishes. Mille-feuilles? Never heard of it. Is it good? 🙂

[Anonymous]

“I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?”

patientlywaiting, thank you. 🙂

Sushi? Oh, I can do the sushi. My ex mother-in-law is Japanese and she taught me how to cook authentic, Japanese dishes. Mille-feuilles? Never heard of it. Is it good? 🙂

[Anonymous]

“I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?”

patientlywaiting, thank you. 🙂

Sushi? Oh, I can do the sushi. My ex mother-in-law is Japanese and she taught me how to cook authentic, Japanese dishes. Mille-feuilles? Never heard of it. Is it good? 🙂

[Anonymous]

“I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?”

patientlywaiting, thank you. 🙂

Sushi? Oh, I can do the sushi. My ex mother-in-law is Japanese and she taught me how to cook authentic, Japanese dishes. Mille-feuilles? Never heard of it. Is it good? 🙂

[Anonymous]

“I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?”

patientlywaiting, thank you. 🙂

Sushi? Oh, I can do the sushi. My ex mother-in-law is Japanese and she taught me how to cook authentic, Japanese dishes. Mille-feuilles? Never heard of it. Is it good? 🙂

[patientlywaiting]

I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?

[patientlywaiting]

I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?

[patientlywaiting]

I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?

[patientlywaiting]

I’m starting to like Marion. She has a good sense of humor. She doesn’t take things personally either. 🙂

No pot-roast for me. Can you make sushi and mille-feuilles?

[Anonymous]

Mr. Pigginton, your divorce was that bad, huh?…She must have played you like a two-dollar fiddle and then some…{chuckles}.

Anyway, I don’t know if I’d call myself a “babe”. Babes usually don’t have two college degrees, do they Mr. Pigginton?

By the way, my ex is worth a LOT more than $2k a month. Heck, my 12-year-old can make more than that selling lemonade.

🙂

[Anonymous]

Mr. Pigginton, your divorce was that bad, huh?…She must have played you like a two-dollar fiddle and then some…{chuckles}.

Anyway, I don’t know if I’d call myself a “babe”. Babes usually don’t have two college degrees, do they Mr. Pigginton?

By the way, my ex is worth a LOT more than $2k a month. Heck, my 12-year-old can make more than that selling lemonade.

🙂

[Anonymous]

Mr. Pigginton, your divorce was that bad, huh?…She must have played you like a two-dollar fiddle and then some…{chuckles}.

Anyway, I don’t know if I’d call myself a “babe”. Babes usually don’t have two college degrees, do they Mr. Pigginton?

By the way, my ex is worth a LOT more than $2k a month. Heck, my 12-year-old can make more than that selling lemonade.

🙂

[Anonymous]

Mr. Pigginton, your divorce was that bad, huh?…She must have played you like a two-dollar fiddle and then some…{chuckles}.

Anyway, I don’t know if I’d call myself a “babe”. Babes usually don’t have two college degrees, do they Mr. Pigginton?

By the way, my ex is worth a LOT more than $2k a month. Heck, my 12-year-old can make more than that selling lemonade.

🙂

[mgubnyc1]

and no more disability checks to make the payments!!

shit, you need to find a sugar daddy fast?

anybody interested in helping out this American Babe?

[mgubnyc1]

and no more disability checks to make the payments!!

shit, you need to find a sugar daddy fast?

anybody interested in helping out this American Babe?

[mgubnyc1]

and no more disability checks to make the payments!!

shit, you need to find a sugar daddy fast?

anybody interested in helping out this American Babe?

[mgubnyc1]

and no more disability checks to make the payments!!

shit, you need to find a sugar daddy fast?

anybody interested in helping out this American Babe?

[mgubnyc1]

I can assure you the real estate business is the same in Arizona, how much does you ex make renting those jumping things??? don’t forget also your vig on the home babysitting business generating the “cash”

I know why ~)

your ex must have bought a house in Arizona a couple of years ago right 100% LTV, he since has re mortgaged twice and has multiple lines of credit secured by this house in AZ.

[mgubnyc1]

I can assure you the real estate business is the same in Arizona, how much does you ex make renting those jumping things??? don’t forget also your vig on the home babysitting business generating the “cash”

I know why ~)

your ex must have bought a house in Arizona a couple of years ago right 100% LTV, he since has re mortgaged twice and has multiple lines of credit secured by this house in AZ.

[mgubnyc1]

I can assure you the real estate business is the same in Arizona, how much does you ex make renting those jumping things??? don’t forget also your vig on the home babysitting business generating the “cash”

I know why ~)

your ex must have bought a house in Arizona a couple of years ago right 100% LTV, he since has re mortgaged twice and has multiple lines of credit secured by this house in AZ.

[mgubnyc1]

I can assure you the real estate business is the same in Arizona, how much does you ex make renting those jumping things??? don’t forget also your vig on the home babysitting business generating the “cash”

I know why ~)

your ex must have bought a house in Arizona a couple of years ago right 100% LTV, he since has re mortgaged twice and has multiple lines of credit secured by this house in AZ.

[patientrenter]

Marion, mgubnyc1 is not Professor Piggington.

Patient renter in OC

[mgubnyc1]

will the real professor piggington please identify themselves.

Marion do you care? I have a pulse, a few months ago that meant I could get a mortgage, is a pulse not worth that much anymore?

[mgubnyc1]

will the real professor piggington please identify themselves.

Marion do you care? I have a pulse, a few months ago that meant I could get a mortgage, is a pulse not worth that much anymore?

[mgubnyc1]

will the real professor piggington please identify themselves.

Marion do you care? I have a pulse, a few months ago that meant I could get a mortgage, is a pulse not worth that much anymore?

[mgubnyc1]

will the real professor piggington please identify themselves.

Marion do you care? I have a pulse, a few months ago that meant I could get a mortgage, is a pulse not worth that much anymore?

[mgubnyc1]

will the real professor piggington please identify themselves.

Marion do you care? I have a pulse, a few months ago that meant I could get a mortgage, is a pulse not worth that much anymore?

[patientrenter]

Marion, mgubnyc1 is not Professor Piggington.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Marion, mgubnyc1 is not Professor Piggington.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Marion, mgubnyc1 is not Professor Piggington.

Patient renter in OC

[patientrenter]

Marion, mgubnyc1 is not Professor Piggington.

Patient renter in OC

[Anonymous]

“I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

OMG!

“so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?”

Real estate in Murrieta is doing very bad. There are hundreds of houses just sitting on the market. I rent and am paying a very good price, but am having trouble with the owners (another thread I started on here) so I may not be renting my current home much longer.

“how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington”

I have always had an interest in the real estate market, particularly now since it’s glaringly obvious that the market will crash to a point where I will actually be able to afford a home in California as a single mom. I found this site through reading blogs about the current condition of the housing market. There was a link to one of your articles on one particularly blog, it may have been Patrick.net. So far, I enjoy this site very much. There is a great deal of knowledge here concerning the housing market, economics and real estate in general.

[Anonymous]

“I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

OMG!

“so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?”

Real estate in Murrieta is doing very bad. There are hundreds of houses just sitting on the market. I rent and am paying a very good price, but am having trouble with the owners (another thread I started on here) so I may not be renting my current home much longer.

“how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington”

I have always had an interest in the real estate market, particularly now since it’s glaringly obvious that the market will crash to a point where I will actually be able to afford a home in California as a single mom. I found this site through reading blogs about the current condition of the housing market. There was a link to one of your articles on one particularly blog, it may have been Patrick.net. So far, I enjoy this site very much. There is a great deal of knowledge here concerning the housing market, economics and real estate in general.

[Anonymous]

“I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

OMG!

“so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?”

Real estate in Murrieta is doing very bad. There are hundreds of houses just sitting on the market. I rent and am paying a very good price, but am having trouble with the owners (another thread I started on here) so I may not be renting my current home much longer.

“how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington”

I have always had an interest in the real estate market, particularly now since it’s glaringly obvious that the market will crash to a point where I will actually be able to afford a home in California as a single mom. I found this site through reading blogs about the current condition of the housing market. There was a link to one of your articles on one particularly blog, it may have been Patrick.net. So far, I enjoy this site very much. There is a great deal of knowledge here concerning the housing market, economics and real estate in general.

[Anonymous]

“I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

OMG!

“so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?”

Real estate in Murrieta is doing very bad. There are hundreds of houses just sitting on the market. I rent and am paying a very good price, but am having trouble with the owners (another thread I started on here) so I may not be renting my current home much longer.

“how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington”

I have always had an interest in the real estate market, particularly now since it’s glaringly obvious that the market will crash to a point where I will actually be able to afford a home in California as a single mom. I found this site through reading blogs about the current condition of the housing market. There was a link to one of your articles on one particularly blog, it may have been Patrick.net. So far, I enjoy this site very much. There is a great deal of knowledge here concerning the housing market, economics and real estate in general.

[mgubnyc1]

I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?

how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington

[mgubnyc1]

I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?

how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington

[mgubnyc1]

I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?

how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington

[mgubnyc1]

I’ll answer your question, YOUR EX IS MAYBE WORTH 2,000 A MONTH.

so it’s a good thing you live in Murrieta, I hear real estate in that area is not doing very well so do you own or are you renting?

how did you find this site? did you google “what is my ex worth” then you were directed to the Professor Piggington right?

Professor Piggington

[Anonymous]

blue sky: “Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).”

Oh, hell no. You’re not being treated right. I’ll have a hot dinner waiting, your slippers at the door, the kid fed and in bed. Next a nice, warm bubbble bath complete with a lingering back massage and then…

Wait! I’m not from Cuba! I’m one of those “American b*tches”

🙂

[Anonymous]

blue sky: “Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).”

Oh, hell no. You’re not being treated right. I’ll have a hot dinner waiting, your slippers at the door, the kid fed and in bed. Next a nice, warm bubbble bath complete with a lingering back massage and then…

Wait! I’m not from Cuba! I’m one of those “American b*tches”

🙂

[Anonymous]

blue sky: “Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).”

Oh, hell no. You’re not being treated right. I’ll have a hot dinner waiting, your slippers at the door, the kid fed and in bed. Next a nice, warm bubbble bath complete with a lingering back massage and then…

Wait! I’m not from Cuba! I’m one of those “American b*tches”

🙂

[Anonymous]

blue sky: “Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).”

Oh, hell no. You’re not being treated right. I’ll have a hot dinner waiting, your slippers at the door, the kid fed and in bed. Next a nice, warm bubbble bath complete with a lingering back massage and then…

Wait! I’m not from Cuba! I’m one of those “American b*tches”

🙂

[blue_sky]

Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).

[blue_sky]

Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).

[blue_sky]

Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).

[blue_sky]

Crap, I wish I could get that. When I get home I get to take care of the kid, make dinner and do dishes. And I make more in a paycheck that she’s ever made in a year (thus her stay at home status).

[Anonymous]

Will you bring me my slippers at the door, have a hot casserole waiting for me on the table, and give me a foot massage when I get home? If so, I may be interested.

Also, I may ask you for a pre-nup.

About the diamond ring, would you mind if I bought it a the “jewelry exchange”? I’m a very practical woman-pretty too. Think you could deal with that?

🙂

[Anonymous]

Will you bring me my slippers at the door, have a hot casserole waiting for me on the table, and give me a foot massage when I get home? If so, I may be interested.

Also, I may ask you for a pre-nup.

About the diamond ring, would you mind if I bought it a the “jewelry exchange”? I’m a very practical woman-pretty too. Think you could deal with that?

🙂

[Anonymous]

Will you bring me my slippers at the door, have a hot casserole waiting for me on the table, and give me a foot massage when I get home? If so, I may be interested.

Also, I may ask you for a pre-nup.

About the diamond ring, would you mind if I bought it a the “jewelry exchange”? I’m a very practical woman-pretty too. Think you could deal with that?

🙂

[Anonymous]

Will you bring me my slippers at the door, have a hot casserole waiting for me on the table, and give me a foot massage when I get home? If so, I may be interested.

Also, I may ask you for a pre-nup.

About the diamond ring, would you mind if I bought it a the “jewelry exchange”? I’m a very practical woman-pretty too. Think you could deal with that?

🙂

[nostradamus]

I would love to put my career on hold and be a stay at home dad. Any ladies out there wanna take me up on this? All I will need to get started is for you to buy me a diamond engagement ring. If it doesn’t work out don’t worry, I’ll opt for alimony (after all, I courageously put my career on hold for you while you were out having fun working) and you can be on your way.

[nostradamus]

I would love to put my career on hold and be a stay at home dad. Any ladies out there wanna take me up on this? All I will need to get started is for you to buy me a diamond engagement ring. If it doesn’t work out don’t worry, I’ll opt for alimony (after all, I courageously put my career on hold for you while you were out having fun working) and you can be on your way.

[nostradamus]

I would love to put my career on hold and be a stay at home dad. Any ladies out there wanna take me up on this? All I will need to get started is for you to buy me a diamond engagement ring. If it doesn’t work out don’t worry, I’ll opt for alimony (after all, I courageously put my career on hold for you while you were out having fun working) and you can be on your way.

[nostradamus]

I would love to put my career on hold and be a stay at home dad. Any ladies out there wanna take me up on this? All I will need to get started is for you to buy me a diamond engagement ring. If it doesn’t work out don’t worry, I’ll opt for alimony (after all, I courageously put my career on hold for you while you were out having fun working) and you can be on your way.

[Coronita]

mgubnyc: "Good for you, so why haven't you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!"

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

LOL!

 

BTW: Is this you?

http://piggington.com/carmel_valley_monitor?page=6

 

If so, wanna talk? If not, pix please???? 🙂 Sorry couldn't resist. Oink oink oink.

 

J/K Besides, I'm happily married (so far). Funny thing is my wife dropped weight and down to a size 2 after giving birth. I guess she was so worried that she actually worked out more. Me on the other hand, haven't been so lucky.

Somehow, this thread sort of got off topic, and I find the entire discussion about a wife's career and raising kids interesting. Because it's a considerable debate point in between my wife and I. On one hand, my wife has a comparable career to me and pretty much makes the same as me (ok I have about $5k edge). So it would be a waste for her to just throw it away (not that she would anyway). At the same time, we do have a new child, and somehow the entire thing about outsourcing to others like a nanny, child care, inlaws(outlaws) etc really bugs me. Probably I guess I'm a wuss and worry about by kid, but I find that I'm often times cutting corners out of my own life just to spend as much time with my kid as possible, more so than I feel that my wife does. She on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem. I guess her philosophy is that you can spend all the time with your kid, and they still grow up and hate you, so why screw up your life completely just for your kids. I guess decades of communism in a china did something: equalize the household thing. I wouldn't cut corners for anyone, even for my wife. I'm just a wussy dad. But it's also why there will only be 1 kid in my family for now…which is another sore point..But conveniently I pitch back at her "well, if you lived in China now, you could only have 1 kid anyway without repercussions".

So I guess I have a different perspective. If my wife did quit the job and through her career down the toilet and there was a kid, I do feel there is some support needed.

More realistically, if I could retire right now to spend time with my kid and my wife continues to work, I probably would. (Ok, if I could retire right now with the quality life I want for everyone from now till 60, I would..)

Anyway, I thought in CA there was a big difference in a divorce before 7 years and one after 7 years (long term marriage). Also, I thought prenups added some asset protection. It wasn't really and issue for me, because we pretty much went in to marriage with equal assets.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Coronita]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let's talk. I'll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe.

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

 

Yes we talked.

Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn't an option. Because you're skills will be outdated.

 

 

 

[Anonymous]

“Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn’t an option. Because you’re skills will be outdated.”

In my very conventional opinion, kids always come first. While married, the only way I would have worked while my kids were toddlers and babies was if my own mother could have watched them. And then, I’d take at least a year off right after they were born. I don’t know, if you’re not really dependent on the stock option thing, maybe you could talk to your wife again.

There has to be a way she can update her skills if she took time off to raise your child. A few classes might be in order, but I don’t see how it would be impossible. Nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough.

Ultimately it will be her decision unless you want to stay home and raise your child.

[Anonymous]

“Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn’t an option. Because you’re skills will be outdated.”

In my very conventional opinion, kids always come first. While married, the only way I would have worked while my kids were toddlers and babies was if my own mother could have watched them. And then, I’d take at least a year off right after they were born. I don’t know, if you’re not really dependent on the stock option thing, maybe you could talk to your wife again.

There has to be a way she can update her skills if she took time off to raise your child. A few classes might be in order, but I don’t see how it would be impossible. Nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough.

Ultimately it will be her decision unless you want to stay home and raise your child.

[Anonymous]

“Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn’t an option. Because you’re skills will be outdated.”

In my very conventional opinion, kids always come first. While married, the only way I would have worked while my kids were toddlers and babies was if my own mother could have watched them. And then, I’d take at least a year off right after they were born. I don’t know, if you’re not really dependent on the stock option thing, maybe you could talk to your wife again.

There has to be a way she can update her skills if she took time off to raise your child. A few classes might be in order, but I don’t see how it would be impossible. Nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough.

Ultimately it will be her decision unless you want to stay home and raise your child.

[Anonymous]

“Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn’t an option. Because you’re skills will be outdated.”

In my very conventional opinion, kids always come first. While married, the only way I would have worked while my kids were toddlers and babies was if my own mother could have watched them. And then, I’d take at least a year off right after they were born. I don’t know, if you’re not really dependent on the stock option thing, maybe you could talk to your wife again.

There has to be a way she can update her skills if she took time off to raise your child. A few classes might be in order, but I don’t see how it would be impossible. Nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough.

Ultimately it will be her decision unless you want to stay home and raise your child.

[Anonymous]

“Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn’t an option. Because you’re skills will be outdated.”

In my very conventional opinion, kids always come first. While married, the only way I would have worked while my kids were toddlers and babies was if my own mother could have watched them. And then, I’d take at least a year off right after they were born. I don’t know, if you’re not really dependent on the stock option thing, maybe you could talk to your wife again.

There has to be a way she can update her skills if she took time off to raise your child. A few classes might be in order, but I don’t see how it would be impossible. Nothing is impossible if you want it bad enough.

Ultimately it will be her decision unless you want to stay home and raise your child.

[Coronita]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let's talk. I'll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe.

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

 

Yes we talked.

Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn't an option. Because you're skills will be outdated.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let's talk. I'll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe.

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

 

Yes we talked.

Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn't an option. Because you're skills will be outdated.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let's talk. I'll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe.

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

 

Yes we talked.

Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn't an option. Because you're skills will be outdated.

 

 

 

[Coronita]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let's talk. I'll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe.

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

 

Yes we talked.

Three words: unvested stock options…..on both sides, and this would be a significant hit, not that we are really dependent on them anyway. Also, in the engineering profession, leaving for 2-3 years and coming back really isn't an option. Because you're skills will be outdated.

 

 

 

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is, if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is, if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is, if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is, if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Hey, fat lazy, dump the wife and let’s talk. I’ll whip ya into shape and make you like it. hehe. That is, if you can make do with a curvy size 6…;)

In california, anything after 10 years or so (maybe 7) is considered a long-term marriage. So, theorectically, the ex could be paying me alimony for the rest of his life. However, the amount would depend on what I earn and my needs.

Have you and your wife attempted a compromise on the stay-at-home issue. For instance, suggest to her that she stay-at-home with your child until she/he reaches kindergarten or first grade, then she can go back to work.

[Anonymous]

<>

You aren’t a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it’s admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn’t worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child’s care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won’t cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn’t deserve a damn thing for doing so.

[Anonymous]

<>

You aren’t a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it’s admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn’t worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child’s care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won’t cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn’t deserve a damn thing for doing so.

[Anonymous]

<>

You aren’t a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it’s admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn’t worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child’s care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won’t cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn’t deserve a damn thing for doing so.

[Anonymous]

<>

You aren’t a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it’s admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn’t worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child’s care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won’t cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn’t deserve a damn thing for doing so.

[Anonymous]

<>

You aren’t a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it’s admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn’t worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child’s care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won’t cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn’t deserve a damn thing for doing so.

[Coronita]

mgubnyc: "Good for you, so why haven't you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!"

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

LOL!

 

BTW: Is this you?

http://piggington.com/carmel_valley_monitor?page=6

 

If so, wanna talk? If not, pix please???? 🙂 Sorry couldn't resist. Oink oink oink.

 

J/K Besides, I'm happily married (so far). Funny thing is my wife dropped weight and down to a size 2 after giving birth. I guess she was so worried that she actually worked out more. Me on the other hand, haven't been so lucky.

Somehow, this thread sort of got off topic, and I find the entire discussion about a wife's career and raising kids interesting. Because it's a considerable debate point in between my wife and I. On one hand, my wife has a comparable career to me and pretty much makes the same as me (ok I have about $5k edge). So it would be a waste for her to just throw it away (not that she would anyway). At the same time, we do have a new child, and somehow the entire thing about outsourcing to others like a nanny, child care, inlaws(outlaws) etc really bugs me. Probably I guess I'm a wuss and worry about by kid, but I find that I'm often times cutting corners out of my own life just to spend as much time with my kid as possible, more so than I feel that my wife does. She on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem. I guess her philosophy is that you can spend all the time with your kid, and they still grow up and hate you, so why screw up your life completely just for your kids. I guess decades of communism in a china did something: equalize the household thing. I wouldn't cut corners for anyone, even for my wife. I'm just a wussy dad. But it's also why there will only be 1 kid in my family for now…which is another sore point..But conveniently I pitch back at her "well, if you lived in China now, you could only have 1 kid anyway without repercussions".

So I guess I have a different perspective. If my wife did quit the job and through her career down the toilet and there was a kid, I do feel there is some support needed.

More realistically, if I could retire right now to spend time with my kid and my wife continues to work, I probably would. (Ok, if I could retire right now with the quality life I want for everyone from now till 60, I would..)

Anyway, I thought in CA there was a big difference in a divorce before 7 years and one after 7 years (long term marriage). Also, I thought prenups added some asset protection. It wasn't really and issue for me, because we pretty much went in to marriage with equal assets.

 

[Coronita]

mgubnyc: "Good for you, so why haven't you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!"

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

LOL!

 

BTW: Is this you?

http://piggington.com/carmel_valley_monitor?page=6

 

If so, wanna talk? If not, pix please???? 🙂 Sorry couldn't resist. Oink oink oink.

 

J/K Besides, I'm happily married (so far). Funny thing is my wife dropped weight and down to a size 2 after giving birth. I guess she was so worried that she actually worked out more. Me on the other hand, haven't been so lucky.

Somehow, this thread sort of got off topic, and I find the entire discussion about a wife's career and raising kids interesting. Because it's a considerable debate point in between my wife and I. On one hand, my wife has a comparable career to me and pretty much makes the same as me (ok I have about $5k edge). So it would be a waste for her to just throw it away (not that she would anyway). At the same time, we do have a new child, and somehow the entire thing about outsourcing to others like a nanny, child care, inlaws(outlaws) etc really bugs me. Probably I guess I'm a wuss and worry about by kid, but I find that I'm often times cutting corners out of my own life just to spend as much time with my kid as possible, more so than I feel that my wife does. She on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem. I guess her philosophy is that you can spend all the time with your kid, and they still grow up and hate you, so why screw up your life completely just for your kids. I guess decades of communism in a china did something: equalize the household thing. I wouldn't cut corners for anyone, even for my wife. I'm just a wussy dad. But it's also why there will only be 1 kid in my family for now…which is another sore point..But conveniently I pitch back at her "well, if you lived in China now, you could only have 1 kid anyway without repercussions".

So I guess I have a different perspective. If my wife did quit the job and through her career down the toilet and there was a kid, I do feel there is some support needed.

More realistically, if I could retire right now to spend time with my kid and my wife continues to work, I probably would. (Ok, if I could retire right now with the quality life I want for everyone from now till 60, I would..)

Anyway, I thought in CA there was a big difference in a divorce before 7 years and one after 7 years (long term marriage). Also, I thought prenups added some asset protection. It wasn't really and issue for me, because we pretty much went in to marriage with equal assets.

 

[Coronita]

mgubnyc: "Good for you, so why haven't you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!"

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

LOL!

 

BTW: Is this you?

http://piggington.com/carmel_valley_monitor?page=6

 

If so, wanna talk? If not, pix please???? 🙂 Sorry couldn't resist. Oink oink oink.

 

J/K Besides, I'm happily married (so far). Funny thing is my wife dropped weight and down to a size 2 after giving birth. I guess she was so worried that she actually worked out more. Me on the other hand, haven't been so lucky.

Somehow, this thread sort of got off topic, and I find the entire discussion about a wife's career and raising kids interesting. Because it's a considerable debate point in between my wife and I. On one hand, my wife has a comparable career to me and pretty much makes the same as me (ok I have about $5k edge). So it would be a waste for her to just throw it away (not that she would anyway). At the same time, we do have a new child, and somehow the entire thing about outsourcing to others like a nanny, child care, inlaws(outlaws) etc really bugs me. Probably I guess I'm a wuss and worry about by kid, but I find that I'm often times cutting corners out of my own life just to spend as much time with my kid as possible, more so than I feel that my wife does. She on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem. I guess her philosophy is that you can spend all the time with your kid, and they still grow up and hate you, so why screw up your life completely just for your kids. I guess decades of communism in a china did something: equalize the household thing. I wouldn't cut corners for anyone, even for my wife. I'm just a wussy dad. But it's also why there will only be 1 kid in my family for now…which is another sore point..But conveniently I pitch back at her "well, if you lived in China now, you could only have 1 kid anyway without repercussions".

So I guess I have a different perspective. If my wife did quit the job and through her career down the toilet and there was a kid, I do feel there is some support needed.

More realistically, if I could retire right now to spend time with my kid and my wife continues to work, I probably would. (Ok, if I could retire right now with the quality life I want for everyone from now till 60, I would..)

Anyway, I thought in CA there was a big difference in a divorce before 7 years and one after 7 years (long term marriage). Also, I thought prenups added some asset protection. It wasn't really and issue for me, because we pretty much went in to marriage with equal assets.

 

[Coronita]

mgubnyc: "Good for you, so why haven't you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!"

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

LOL!

 

BTW: Is this you?

http://piggington.com/carmel_valley_monitor?page=6

 

If so, wanna talk? If not, pix please???? 🙂 Sorry couldn't resist. Oink oink oink.

 

J/K Besides, I'm happily married (so far). Funny thing is my wife dropped weight and down to a size 2 after giving birth. I guess she was so worried that she actually worked out more. Me on the other hand, haven't been so lucky.

Somehow, this thread sort of got off topic, and I find the entire discussion about a wife's career and raising kids interesting. Because it's a considerable debate point in between my wife and I. On one hand, my wife has a comparable career to me and pretty much makes the same as me (ok I have about $5k edge). So it would be a waste for her to just throw it away (not that she would anyway). At the same time, we do have a new child, and somehow the entire thing about outsourcing to others like a nanny, child care, inlaws(outlaws) etc really bugs me. Probably I guess I'm a wuss and worry about by kid, but I find that I'm often times cutting corners out of my own life just to spend as much time with my kid as possible, more so than I feel that my wife does. She on the other hand, doesn't seem to have a problem. I guess her philosophy is that you can spend all the time with your kid, and they still grow up and hate you, so why screw up your life completely just for your kids. I guess decades of communism in a china did something: equalize the household thing. I wouldn't cut corners for anyone, even for my wife. I'm just a wussy dad. But it's also why there will only be 1 kid in my family for now…which is another sore point..But conveniently I pitch back at her "well, if you lived in China now, you could only have 1 kid anyway without repercussions".

So I guess I have a different perspective. If my wife did quit the job and through her career down the toilet and there was a kid, I do feel there is some support needed.

More realistically, if I could retire right now to spend time with my kid and my wife continues to work, I probably would. (Ok, if I could retire right now with the quality life I want for everyone from now till 60, I would..)

Anyway, I thought in CA there was a big difference in a divorce before 7 years and one after 7 years (long term marriage). Also, I thought prenups added some asset protection. It wasn't really and issue for me, because we pretty much went in to marriage with equal assets.

 

[Anonymous]

mgubnyc: “Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!”

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

[Anonymous]

mgubnyc: “Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!”

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

[Anonymous]

mgubnyc: “Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!”

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

[Anonymous]

mgubnyc: “Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!”

Why should I buy the whole pig just to get a little bit of sausage?

[mgubnyc1]

Marion, next time you see the cuban, ask her what kind of divorce settlements cuban men get hit with should they divorce, then you’ll understand your ex’s comment about American women.

I have to apoligize to you, you are one of the few American Women that don’t gain 60lbs and cut off their hair after having kids.
Most forget about the gym

Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!

[mgubnyc1]

Marion, next time you see the cuban, ask her what kind of divorce settlements cuban men get hit with should they divorce, then you’ll understand your ex’s comment about American women.

I have to apoligize to you, you are one of the few American Women that don’t gain 60lbs and cut off their hair after having kids.
Most forget about the gym

Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!

[mgubnyc1]

Marion, next time you see the cuban, ask her what kind of divorce settlements cuban men get hit with should they divorce, then you’ll understand your ex’s comment about American women.

I have to apoligize to you, you are one of the few American Women that don’t gain 60lbs and cut off their hair after having kids.
Most forget about the gym

Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!

[mgubnyc1]

Marion, next time you see the cuban, ask her what kind of divorce settlements cuban men get hit with should they divorce, then you’ll understand your ex’s comment about American women.

I have to apoligize to you, you are one of the few American Women that don’t gain 60lbs and cut off their hair after having kids.
Most forget about the gym

Good for you, so why haven’t you been able to find a new victim? Get to work hun!

[raptorduck]

Potroast! I love potroast. If I was not happily married, I would . . .

[raptorduck]

Potroast! I love potroast. If I was not happily married, I would . . .

[raptorduck]

Potroast! I love potroast. If I was not happily married, I would . . .

[raptorduck]

Potroast! I love potroast. If I was not happily married, I would . . .

[raptorduck]

Potroast! I love potroast. If I was not happily married, I would . . .

[Trojan4Life]

Marion,

Are you open to relocating? If so, how far?

Also, I’m married but if I wasn’t…rrrrrrrrooooaaaarrrr!!!

🙂

[Trojan4Life]

Marion,

Are you open to relocating? If so, how far?

Also, I’m married but if I wasn’t…rrrrrrrrooooaaaarrrr!!!

🙂

[Trojan4Life]

Marion,

Are you open to relocating? If so, how far?

Also, I’m married but if I wasn’t…rrrrrrrrooooaaaarrrr!!!

🙂

[Trojan4Life]

Marion,

Are you open to relocating? If so, how far?

Also, I’m married but if I wasn’t…rrrrrrrrooooaaaarrrr!!!

🙂

[The OC Scam]

This is why I find it better to have a wife that is bi-sexual so the both of us can an affair together with the same women also the same reason why I got a vasectomy….cheat but don’t procreate

[SD Realtor]

This thread is entertaining…

Marion my condlences and I hope it all works out.

Also I know this temecula guy that may be a good fit for you… (tg I KNOW you are out there reading this)

Also OC Scam… you and I frequently disagree but you got a good chuckle out of me on your post.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

This thread is entertaining…

Marion my condlences and I hope it all works out.

Also I know this temecula guy that may be a good fit for you… (tg I KNOW you are out there reading this)

Also OC Scam… you and I frequently disagree but you got a good chuckle out of me on your post.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

This thread is entertaining…

Marion my condlences and I hope it all works out.

Also I know this temecula guy that may be a good fit for you… (tg I KNOW you are out there reading this)

Also OC Scam… you and I frequently disagree but you got a good chuckle out of me on your post.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

This thread is entertaining…

Marion my condlences and I hope it all works out.

Also I know this temecula guy that may be a good fit for you… (tg I KNOW you are out there reading this)

Also OC Scam… you and I frequently disagree but you got a good chuckle out of me on your post.

SD Realtor

[SD Realtor]

This thread is entertaining…

Marion my condlences and I hope it all works out.

Also I know this temecula guy that may be a good fit for you… (tg I KNOW you are out there reading this)

Also OC Scam… you and I frequently disagree but you got a good chuckle out of me on your post.

SD Realtor

[The OC Scam]

This is why I find it better to have a wife that is bi-sexual so the both of us can an affair together with the same women also the same reason why I got a vasectomy….cheat but don’t procreate

[The OC Scam]

This is why I find it better to have a wife that is bi-sexual so the both of us can an affair together with the same women also the same reason why I got a vasectomy….cheat but don’t procreate

[The OC Scam]

This is why I find it better to have a wife that is bi-sexual so the both of us can an affair together with the same women also the same reason why I got a vasectomy….cheat but don’t procreate

[The OC Scam]

This is why I find it better to have a wife that is bi-sexual so the both of us can an affair together with the same women also the same reason why I got a vasectomy….cheat but don’t procreate

[alarmclock]

I didn’t see anyone specifically address this, but it is possible that your ex (and many in his profession) may never make that amount of money again in their lives. At the peak of the tech boom (for me, this was Q4 2000), companies were just throwing work out to anyone — I got (practically) whatever rate I wanted, and they would accommodate (practically) any terms I asked for. While business has been brisk since ’05, I have yet to have a month that billed half of what I could get at the peak. The frenzied atmosphere of the boom is gone — and actually I prefer it this way.

I am 100% for child support and 100% against alimony. I despise the whole concept of royalties and alimony is basically a royalty for marrying “up”.

[alarmclock]

I didn’t see anyone specifically address this, but it is possible that your ex (and many in his profession) may never make that amount of money again in their lives. At the peak of the tech boom (for me, this was Q4 2000), companies were just throwing work out to anyone — I got (practically) whatever rate I wanted, and they would accommodate (practically) any terms I asked for. While business has been brisk since ’05, I have yet to have a month that billed half of what I could get at the peak. The frenzied atmosphere of the boom is gone — and actually I prefer it this way.

I am 100% for child support and 100% against alimony. I despise the whole concept of royalties and alimony is basically a royalty for marrying “up”.

[alarmclock]

I didn’t see anyone specifically address this, but it is possible that your ex (and many in his profession) may never make that amount of money again in their lives. At the peak of the tech boom (for me, this was Q4 2000), companies were just throwing work out to anyone — I got (practically) whatever rate I wanted, and they would accommodate (practically) any terms I asked for. While business has been brisk since ’05, I have yet to have a month that billed half of what I could get at the peak. The frenzied atmosphere of the boom is gone — and actually I prefer it this way.

I am 100% for child support and 100% against alimony. I despise the whole concept of royalties and alimony is basically a royalty for marrying “up”.

[alarmclock]

I didn’t see anyone specifically address this, but it is possible that your ex (and many in his profession) may never make that amount of money again in their lives. At the peak of the tech boom (for me, this was Q4 2000), companies were just throwing work out to anyone — I got (practically) whatever rate I wanted, and they would accommodate (practically) any terms I asked for. While business has been brisk since ’05, I have yet to have a month that billed half of what I could get at the peak. The frenzied atmosphere of the boom is gone — and actually I prefer it this way.

I am 100% for child support and 100% against alimony. I despise the whole concept of royalties and alimony is basically a royalty for marrying “up”.

[alarmclock]

I didn’t see anyone specifically address this, but it is possible that your ex (and many in his profession) may never make that amount of money again in their lives. At the peak of the tech boom (for me, this was Q4 2000), companies were just throwing work out to anyone — I got (practically) whatever rate I wanted, and they would accommodate (practically) any terms I asked for. While business has been brisk since ’05, I have yet to have a month that billed half of what I could get at the peak. The frenzied atmosphere of the boom is gone — and actually I prefer it this way.

I am 100% for child support and 100% against alimony. I despise the whole concept of royalties and alimony is basically a royalty for marrying “up”.

[Coronita]

I'm actually more curious in what jobs marion is seeking in that she keeps getting turned down. Are you getting turned down pre-interview (like getting rejection letters even before setting foot in the office), or are you getting turned down after on site interviews? Just asking, because the first one is very easy to correct. Second one harder to figure out, but nevertheless can be figured out in retrospect.

 

BTW: you seem pretty bright, so I probably don't need to tell you. Never volunteer information in an interview about your personal life. EVAR…Employers SHOULD NEVER ask you anything about your personal life to begin with, so there's no need to talk about. If someone does ask you, dance around it.

 Post your resume up here with your address and personal information removed, and let us critique it if that's the problem.

 

[Coronita]

I'm actually more curious in what jobs marion is seeking in that she keeps getting turned down. Are you getting turned down pre-interview (like getting rejection letters even before setting foot in the office), or are you getting turned down after on site interviews? Just asking, because the first one is very easy to correct. Second one harder to figure out, but nevertheless can be figured out in retrospect.

 

BTW: you seem pretty bright, so I probably don't need to tell you. Never volunteer information in an interview about your personal life. EVAR…Employers SHOULD NEVER ask you anything about your personal life to begin with, so there's no need to talk about. If someone does ask you, dance around it.

 Post your resume up here with your address and personal information removed, and let us critique it if that's the problem.

 

[Coronita]

I'm actually more curious in what jobs marion is seeking in that she keeps getting turned down. Are you getting turned down pre-interview (like getting rejection letters even before setting foot in the office), or are you getting turned down after on site interviews? Just asking, because the first one is very easy to correct. Second one harder to figure out, but nevertheless can be figured out in retrospect.

 

BTW: you seem pretty bright, so I probably don't need to tell you. Never volunteer information in an interview about your personal life. EVAR…Employers SHOULD NEVER ask you anything about your personal life to begin with, so there's no need to talk about. If someone does ask you, dance around it.

 Post your resume up here with your address and personal information removed, and let us critique it if that's the problem.

 

[Coronita]

I'm actually more curious in what jobs marion is seeking in that she keeps getting turned down. Are you getting turned down pre-interview (like getting rejection letters even before setting foot in the office), or are you getting turned down after on site interviews? Just asking, because the first one is very easy to correct. Second one harder to figure out, but nevertheless can be figured out in retrospect.

 

BTW: you seem pretty bright, so I probably don't need to tell you. Never volunteer information in an interview about your personal life. EVAR…Employers SHOULD NEVER ask you anything about your personal life to begin with, so there's no need to talk about. If someone does ask you, dance around it.

 Post your resume up here with your address and personal information removed, and let us critique it if that's the problem.

 

[Coronita]

I'm actually more curious in what jobs marion is seeking in that she keeps getting turned down. Are you getting turned down pre-interview (like getting rejection letters even before setting foot in the office), or are you getting turned down after on site interviews? Just asking, because the first one is very easy to correct. Second one harder to figure out, but nevertheless can be figured out in retrospect.

 

BTW: you seem pretty bright, so I probably don't need to tell you. Never volunteer information in an interview about your personal life. EVAR…Employers SHOULD NEVER ask you anything about your personal life to begin with, so there's no need to talk about. If someone does ask you, dance around it.

 Post your resume up here with your address and personal information removed, and let us critique it if that's the problem.

 

[Coronita]

You aren't a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it's admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn't worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child's care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won't cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn't deserve a damn thing for doing so.

 

I'm finding out the hard way that

1) Social Stigma: Stay at home Dad == bad idea

2) Stay At Home Mom == Wife would go insane.

We don't look down on people who are stay at home parents. Quite contrary, it's not that easy to do. And as much as I love my wife, there are days I think, damnit, things would be easier if she just wanted to stay home. But at the same time I understand that that's just how she was brought up to be independent. She would feel useless if that was the only thing she did.

I think my wife and are managing reasonably well. Not ideal, but ok. Plus i really don't want to get the inlaws involved.

So for the time being my weekday routine is

6:15am-7am: Dad wakes up, checks the stock market. Places whatever market orders for that day.

7am-9am: Child wakes up. Mom takes care of changing child. Nanny preps breakfast. Mom and Dad Family spends time with child in the park, no tv. Wife goes to work around 8:30, while dad waits until 9.

9:30-12pm: Dad and mom work while live in nanny takes care of child, who btw, keeps the damn tv on all day. Dad schedules meetings around 9:30am so he can take it on a cell phone on at home or on the way to work (yes I have a handsfree bluetooth kit in my car so I'm not one of those retarded people doing 40mph on I-56)

12-1pm: lunch break with child (me or wife and not all the time)

1-5:30pm: both of us work while nanny puts child to sleep for about 2-3 hours. Somewhere along the line, during free time, I close any stock orders on a need basis. Child wakes up around 5, and nanny gives child a bath and preps for dinner.

5:30pm: Wife gets home and spends time with child while nanny preps dinner. Nanny finishes dinner.

6:30-7:30 I get home. Family dinner time.

7:30-8:30 Nanny cleans up, dismissed for the day. Family time spent in the park

8:30-9:00 Bedtime reading and play time, no tv.

9:00 pm child put sent to bed. Dad rests with Mom until Mom falls asleep.

10:00 pm-2am Dad spends time catching up with work, blogging, looking at porn, and any leftover time spent time building company with other people so he doesn't have to continue in the bored as hell rat race moving forward.

 

The deal with my wife is either

1) I find a job that brings in a gross household income of $300k/year and she'll consider quiting… That frankly won't happen by me trying to climb an existing corporate ladder….

2) OR she gets laid off/fired at which point she'll won't re-enter the engineering space (also highly unlikely).

3) OR I figure out a way to have a company that she can be a part of on a part-time basis such that she could be challenged. Together with investments, bring $300k/year.

So we're planning for plan 3 right now. The ridiculous thing about this one would conclude, fvck, that's a pretty messed up family. You guys spend and spend and spend, don't save, and are complaining. Why don't you downsize your lifestyle, be more frugale, and your wife wouldn't need to work? Contrary, we are pretty frugale, we don't spend alot, cash flow is very positive each month, and overall investments are ok. Go figure.

The problem you have sometimes marrying someone with career objectives too much like you…is that they think too much like you….You both end up being pigheaded on the same things. It's pretty frickin scary when your wife goes to sleep talking with you about some code defect she found at work and you could totally relate and talk about it or if your wife asked you to help do a code review over dinner.

[Anonymous]

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I agree that there is a social stigma concerning stay at home Dads and wish that would change, but I don’t agree it’s a bad idea. Doing what’s right for our kids may mean bucking the trend and dealing with the folks who think it lessens the man. I wish the stigmas of stay at home Moms would go away too.

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[Anonymous]

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I agree that there is a social stigma concerning stay at home Dads and wish that would change, but I don’t agree it’s a bad idea. Doing what’s right for our kids may mean bucking the trend and dealing with the folks who think it lessens the man. I wish the stigmas of stay at home Moms would go away too.

Ok what am I doing wrong or not doing that’s preventing a quote from appearing in the final post?

[Anonymous]

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I agree that there is a social stigma concerning stay at home Dads and wish that would change, but I don’t agree it’s a bad idea. Doing what’s right for our kids may mean bucking the trend and dealing with the folks who think it lessens the man. I wish the stigmas of stay at home Moms would go away too.

Ok what am I doing wrong or not doing that’s preventing a quote from appearing in the final post?

[Anonymous]

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I agree that there is a social stigma concerning stay at home Dads and wish that would change, but I don’t agree it’s a bad idea. Doing what’s right for our kids may mean bucking the trend and dealing with the folks who think it lessens the man. I wish the stigmas of stay at home Moms would go away too.

Ok what am I doing wrong or not doing that’s preventing a quote from appearing in the final post?

[Anonymous]

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I agree that there is a social stigma concerning stay at home Dads and wish that would change, but I don’t agree it’s a bad idea. Doing what’s right for our kids may mean bucking the trend and dealing with the folks who think it lessens the man. I wish the stigmas of stay at home Moms would go away too.

Ok what am I doing wrong or not doing that’s preventing a quote from appearing in the final post?

[Anonymous]

Fat-lazy, I think you’ve gotta figure out if you want to be like the hamster running on the wheel for the rest of your life. Happiness is far more important than money, and money can destroy a marriage. Do you and the wife have to have a 300k yearly income? What, do you live in a freakin’ mansion or something? Think of how much easier and less hectic your life would be if you could cut that amount down to at least 200K or more.You said you’re looking at option 3 (starting a business), I have no idea why your better half feels your profit has to be 300K. I’d need a lot less personally. All we really need in life is enough, dude.

And falling asleep talking about “code defects”? Frig that. I hope at least you’ve had sex first. I’m about to get in your business: When do you and your wife have sex? If you’re not making time for that, the marriage is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Fat-lazy, I think you’ve gotta figure out if you want to be like the hamster running on the wheel for the rest of your life. Happiness is far more important than money, and money can destroy a marriage. Do you and the wife have to have a 300k yearly income? What, do you live in a freakin’ mansion or something? Think of how much easier and less hectic your life would be if you could cut that amount down to at least 200K or more.You said you’re looking at option 3 (starting a business), I have no idea why your better half feels your profit has to be 300K. I’d need a lot less personally. All we really need in life is enough, dude.

And falling asleep talking about “code defects”? Frig that. I hope at least you’ve had sex first. I’m about to get in your business: When do you and your wife have sex? If you’re not making time for that, the marriage is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Fat-lazy, I think you’ve gotta figure out if you want to be like the hamster running on the wheel for the rest of your life. Happiness is far more important than money, and money can destroy a marriage. Do you and the wife have to have a 300k yearly income? What, do you live in a freakin’ mansion or something? Think of how much easier and less hectic your life would be if you could cut that amount down to at least 200K or more.You said you’re looking at option 3 (starting a business), I have no idea why your better half feels your profit has to be 300K. I’d need a lot less personally. All we really need in life is enough, dude.

And falling asleep talking about “code defects”? Frig that. I hope at least you’ve had sex first. I’m about to get in your business: When do you and your wife have sex? If you’re not making time for that, the marriage is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Fat-lazy, I think you’ve gotta figure out if you want to be like the hamster running on the wheel for the rest of your life. Happiness is far more important than money, and money can destroy a marriage. Do you and the wife have to have a 300k yearly income? What, do you live in a freakin’ mansion or something? Think of how much easier and less hectic your life would be if you could cut that amount down to at least 200K or more.You said you’re looking at option 3 (starting a business), I have no idea why your better half feels your profit has to be 300K. I’d need a lot less personally. All we really need in life is enough, dude.

And falling asleep talking about “code defects”? Frig that. I hope at least you’ve had sex first. I’m about to get in your business: When do you and your wife have sex? If you’re not making time for that, the marriage is doomed.

[Anonymous]

Fat-lazy, I think you’ve gotta figure out if you want to be like the hamster running on the wheel for the rest of your life. Happiness is far more important than money, and money can destroy a marriage. Do you and the wife have to have a 300k yearly income? What, do you live in a freakin’ mansion or something? Think of how much easier and less hectic your life would be if you could cut that amount down to at least 200K or more.You said you’re looking at option 3 (starting a business), I have no idea why your better half feels your profit has to be 300K. I’d need a lot less personally. All we really need in life is enough, dude.

And falling asleep talking about “code defects”? Frig that. I hope at least you’ve had sex first. I’m about to get in your business: When do you and your wife have sex? If you’re not making time for that, the marriage is doomed.

[Coronita]

You aren't a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it's admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn't worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child's care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won't cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn't deserve a damn thing for doing so.

 

I'm finding out the hard way that

1) Social Stigma: Stay at home Dad == bad idea

2) Stay At Home Mom == Wife would go insane.

We don't look down on people who are stay at home parents. Quite contrary, it's not that easy to do. And as much as I love my wife, there are days I think, damnit, things would be easier if she just wanted to stay home. But at the same time I understand that that's just how she was brought up to be independent. She would feel useless if that was the only thing she did.

I think my wife and are managing reasonably well. Not ideal, but ok. Plus i really don't want to get the inlaws involved.

So for the time being my weekday routine is

6:15am-7am: Dad wakes up, checks the stock market. Places whatever market orders for that day.

7am-9am: Child wakes up. Mom takes care of changing child. Nanny preps breakfast. Mom and Dad Family spends time with child in the park, no tv. Wife goes to work around 8:30, while dad waits until 9.

9:30-12pm: Dad and mom work while live in nanny takes care of child, who btw, keeps the damn tv on all day. Dad schedules meetings around 9:30am so he can take it on a cell phone on at home or on the way to work (yes I have a handsfree bluetooth kit in my car so I'm not one of those retarded people doing 40mph on I-56)

12-1pm: lunch break with child (me or wife and not all the time)

1-5:30pm: both of us work while nanny puts child to sleep for about 2-3 hours. Somewhere along the line, during free time, I close any stock orders on a need basis. Child wakes up around 5, and nanny gives child a bath and preps for dinner.

5:30pm: Wife gets home and spends time with child while nanny preps dinner. Nanny finishes dinner.

6:30-7:30 I get home. Family dinner time.

7:30-8:30 Nanny cleans up, dismissed for the day. Family time spent in the park

8:30-9:00 Bedtime reading and play time, no tv.

9:00 pm child put sent to bed. Dad rests with Mom until Mom falls asleep.

10:00 pm-2am Dad spends time catching up with work, blogging, looking at porn, and any leftover time spent time building company with other people so he doesn't have to continue in the bored as hell rat race moving forward.

 

The deal with my wife is either

1) I find a job that brings in a gross household income of $300k/year and she'll consider quiting… That frankly won't happen by me trying to climb an existing corporate ladder….

2) OR she gets laid off/fired at which point she'll won't re-enter the engineering space (also highly unlikely).

3) OR I figure out a way to have a company that she can be a part of on a part-time basis such that she could be challenged. Together with investments, bring $300k/year.

So we're planning for plan 3 right now. The ridiculous thing about this one would conclude, fvck, that's a pretty messed up family. You guys spend and spend and spend, don't save, and are complaining. Why don't you downsize your lifestyle, be more frugale, and your wife wouldn't need to work? Contrary, we are pretty frugale, we don't spend alot, cash flow is very positive each month, and overall investments are ok. Go figure.

The problem you have sometimes marrying someone with career objectives too much like you…is that they think too much like you….You both end up being pigheaded on the same things. It's pretty frickin scary when your wife goes to sleep talking with you about some code defect she found at work and you could totally relate and talk about it or if your wife asked you to help do a code review over dinner.

[Coronita]

You aren't a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it's admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn't worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child's care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won't cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn't deserve a damn thing for doing so.

 

I'm finding out the hard way that

1) Social Stigma: Stay at home Dad == bad idea

2) Stay At Home Mom == Wife would go insane.

We don't look down on people who are stay at home parents. Quite contrary, it's not that easy to do. And as much as I love my wife, there are days I think, damnit, things would be easier if she just wanted to stay home. But at the same time I understand that that's just how she was brought up to be independent. She would feel useless if that was the only thing she did.

I think my wife and are managing reasonably well. Not ideal, but ok. Plus i really don't want to get the inlaws involved.

So for the time being my weekday routine is

6:15am-7am: Dad wakes up, checks the stock market. Places whatever market orders for that day.

7am-9am: Child wakes up. Mom takes care of changing child. Nanny preps breakfast. Mom and Dad Family spends time with child in the park, no tv. Wife goes to work around 8:30, while dad waits until 9.

9:30-12pm: Dad and mom work while live in nanny takes care of child, who btw, keeps the damn tv on all day. Dad schedules meetings around 9:30am so he can take it on a cell phone on at home or on the way to work (yes I have a handsfree bluetooth kit in my car so I'm not one of those retarded people doing 40mph on I-56)

12-1pm: lunch break with child (me or wife and not all the time)

1-5:30pm: both of us work while nanny puts child to sleep for about 2-3 hours. Somewhere along the line, during free time, I close any stock orders on a need basis. Child wakes up around 5, and nanny gives child a bath and preps for dinner.

5:30pm: Wife gets home and spends time with child while nanny preps dinner. Nanny finishes dinner.

6:30-7:30 I get home. Family dinner time.

7:30-8:30 Nanny cleans up, dismissed for the day. Family time spent in the park

8:30-9:00 Bedtime reading and play time, no tv.

9:00 pm child put sent to bed. Dad rests with Mom until Mom falls asleep.

10:00 pm-2am Dad spends time catching up with work, blogging, looking at porn, and any leftover time spent time building company with other people so he doesn't have to continue in the bored as hell rat race moving forward.

 

The deal with my wife is either

1) I find a job that brings in a gross household income of $300k/year and she'll consider quiting… That frankly won't happen by me trying to climb an existing corporate ladder….

2) OR she gets laid off/fired at which point she'll won't re-enter the engineering space (also highly unlikely).

3) OR I figure out a way to have a company that she can be a part of on a part-time basis such that she could be challenged. Together with investments, bring $300k/year.

So we're planning for plan 3 right now. The ridiculous thing about this one would conclude, fvck, that's a pretty messed up family. You guys spend and spend and spend, don't save, and are complaining. Why don't you downsize your lifestyle, be more frugale, and your wife wouldn't need to work? Contrary, we are pretty frugale, we don't spend alot, cash flow is very positive each month, and overall investments are ok. Go figure.

The problem you have sometimes marrying someone with career objectives too much like you…is that they think too much like you….You both end up being pigheaded on the same things. It's pretty frickin scary when your wife goes to sleep talking with you about some code defect she found at work and you could totally relate and talk about it or if your wife asked you to help do a code review over dinner.

[Coronita]

You aren't a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it's admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn't worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child's care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won't cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn't deserve a damn thing for doing so.

 

I'm finding out the hard way that

1) Social Stigma: Stay at home Dad == bad idea

2) Stay At Home Mom == Wife would go insane.

We don't look down on people who are stay at home parents. Quite contrary, it's not that easy to do. And as much as I love my wife, there are days I think, damnit, things would be easier if she just wanted to stay home. But at the same time I understand that that's just how she was brought up to be independent. She would feel useless if that was the only thing she did.

I think my wife and are managing reasonably well. Not ideal, but ok. Plus i really don't want to get the inlaws involved.

So for the time being my weekday routine is

6:15am-7am: Dad wakes up, checks the stock market. Places whatever market orders for that day.

7am-9am: Child wakes up. Mom takes care of changing child. Nanny preps breakfast. Mom and Dad Family spends time with child in the park, no tv. Wife goes to work around 8:30, while dad waits until 9.

9:30-12pm: Dad and mom work while live in nanny takes care of child, who btw, keeps the damn tv on all day. Dad schedules meetings around 9:30am so he can take it on a cell phone on at home or on the way to work (yes I have a handsfree bluetooth kit in my car so I'm not one of those retarded people doing 40mph on I-56)

12-1pm: lunch break with child (me or wife and not all the time)

1-5:30pm: both of us work while nanny puts child to sleep for about 2-3 hours. Somewhere along the line, during free time, I close any stock orders on a need basis. Child wakes up around 5, and nanny gives child a bath and preps for dinner.

5:30pm: Wife gets home and spends time with child while nanny preps dinner. Nanny finishes dinner.

6:30-7:30 I get home. Family dinner time.

7:30-8:30 Nanny cleans up, dismissed for the day. Family time spent in the park

8:30-9:00 Bedtime reading and play time, no tv.

9:00 pm child put sent to bed. Dad rests with Mom until Mom falls asleep.

10:00 pm-2am Dad spends time catching up with work, blogging, looking at porn, and any leftover time spent time building company with other people so he doesn't have to continue in the bored as hell rat race moving forward.

 

The deal with my wife is either

1) I find a job that brings in a gross household income of $300k/year and she'll consider quiting… That frankly won't happen by me trying to climb an existing corporate ladder….

2) OR she gets laid off/fired at which point she'll won't re-enter the engineering space (also highly unlikely).

3) OR I figure out a way to have a company that she can be a part of on a part-time basis such that she could be challenged. Together with investments, bring $300k/year.

So we're planning for plan 3 right now. The ridiculous thing about this one would conclude, fvck, that's a pretty messed up family. You guys spend and spend and spend, don't save, and are complaining. Why don't you downsize your lifestyle, be more frugale, and your wife wouldn't need to work? Contrary, we are pretty frugale, we don't spend alot, cash flow is very positive each month, and overall investments are ok. Go figure.

The problem you have sometimes marrying someone with career objectives too much like you…is that they think too much like you….You both end up being pigheaded on the same things. It's pretty frickin scary when your wife goes to sleep talking with you about some code defect she found at work and you could totally relate and talk about it or if your wife asked you to help do a code review over dinner.

[Coronita]

You aren't a wuss for worrying about your kid or wanting to spend time with him or her. I think it's admirable that outsourcing child care and raising a child to others bothers you. Where did we ever get the notion that hired help is what a child deserves?

What bothers me about the other side of the argument is that it seems to say the hell with the kids. As if their care and nurturing wasn't worth anything in their view if and when it comes time to pay for it after divorcing. They see no value in caring for a child, nor do they understand that the child's care most likely came along with compromising earnings, future job possibilities, retirement funding, etc. for the parent who stayed at home or cut corners to be the primary care giver. To me the wuss is the one who won't cut corners to care for the child they created or whine that the other parent who did, doesn't deserve a damn thing for doing so.

 

I'm finding out the hard way that

1) Social Stigma: Stay at home Dad == bad idea

2) Stay At Home Mom == Wife would go insane.

We don't look down on people who are stay at home parents. Quite contrary, it's not that easy to do. And as much as I love my wife, there are days I think, damnit, things would be easier if she just wanted to stay home. But at the same time I understand that that's just how she was brought up to be independent. She would feel useless if that was the only thing she did.

I think my wife and are managing reasonably well. Not ideal, but ok. Plus i really don't want to get the inlaws involved.

So for the time being my weekday routine is

6:15am-7am: Dad wakes up, checks the stock market. Places whatever market orders for that day.

7am-9am: Child wakes up. Mom takes care of changing child. Nanny preps breakfast. Mom and Dad Family spends time with child in the park, no tv. Wife goes to work around 8:30, while dad waits until 9.

9:30-12pm: Dad and mom work while live in nanny takes care of child, who btw, keeps the damn tv on all day. Dad schedules meetings around 9:30am so he can take it on a cell phone on at home or on the way to work (yes I have a handsfree bluetooth kit in my car so I'm not one of those retarded people doing 40mph on I-56)

12-1pm: lunch break with child (me or wife and not all the time)

1-5:30pm: both of us work while nanny puts child to sleep for about 2-3 hours. Somewhere along the line, during free time, I close any stock orders on a need basis. Child wakes up around 5, and nanny gives child a bath and preps for dinner.

5:30pm: Wife gets home and spends time with child while nanny preps dinner. Nanny finishes dinner.

6:30-7:30 I get home. Family dinner time.

7:30-8:30 Nanny cleans up, dismissed for the day. Family time spent in the park

8:30-9:00 Bedtime reading and play time, no tv.

9:00 pm child put sent to bed. Dad rests with Mom until Mom falls asleep.

10:00 pm-2am Dad spends time catching up with work, blogging, looking at porn, and any leftover time spent time building company with other people so he doesn't have to continue in the bored as hell rat race moving forward.

 

The deal with my wife is either

1) I find a job that brings in a gross household income of $300k/year and she'll consider quiting… That frankly won't happen by me trying to climb an existing corporate ladder….

2) OR she gets laid off/fired at which point she'll won't re-enter the engineering space (also highly unlikely).

3) OR I figure out a way to have a company that she can be a part of on a part-time basis such that she could be challenged. Together with investments, bring $300k/year.

So we're planning for plan 3 right now. The ridiculous thing about this one would conclude, fvck, that's a pretty messed up family. You guys spend and spend and spend, don't save, and are complaining. Why don't you downsize your lifestyle, be more frugale, and your wife wouldn't need to work? Contrary, we are pretty frugale, we don't spend alot, cash flow is very positive each month, and overall investments are ok. Go figure.

The problem you have sometimes marrying someone with career objectives too much like you…is that they think too much like you….You both end up being pigheaded on the same things. It's pretty frickin scary when your wife goes to sleep talking with you about some code defect she found at work and you could totally relate and talk about it or if your wife asked you to help do a code review over dinner.

[The OC Scam]

Damm… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!! We are ten years and climbing like the DOW … WE are so sick we still hold hands when walking down the street. Just think of all the I saved 60% on my house sex that gonna be happening in 2012??

Professor please forgive us the numbers are driving us crazy sometimes we need a little break!

[NotCranky]

We have 3 kids all under 5 years of age. My wife and I do(have done) the stay at home thing 100% her only, 50/50, 20/80, 75/25, whatever it takes. Our household income was never big but we are willing to take a drop anyway.

We have a friend baby sit a partial day, on average, once a week, more if needed. The two older boys have been going to preschool one day or two half days a week for a few years. We waited until they wanted to go and understood where they were at and what they were doing there before enrolling them. My wife brings up putting the baby in day care on a similar schedule but I won’t agree until he has a concept of what is happening and shows an interest in doing what his big brothers are doing by going to school.

When it is obvious that I am taking care of the kids at home in view of the neighbors and in public places,which is often, I occasionally feel twinges of a stigma. Most often I am confident in what we are doing as a family. Many people get a kick out of seeing me and my boys out taking care of business or doing the rounds of museums, libraries, community center craft sessions etc. We meet so many good people.
I have all boys so maybe that makes my part easier than if we had both genders. I was also raised by a single dad from the age of ten, when my mother died so there is a personal precedent for my part.I never enjoyed a clock in clock out job and finally escaped about 10 years ago , hopefully for good. My wife is grateful that she isn’t isolated with the kids all the time and can keep her career alive, albeit on a part time basis for now. My wife’s parents have started college funds so that relieves some worry too.

[NotCranky]

We have 3 kids all under 5 years of age. My wife and I do(have done) the stay at home thing 100% her only, 50/50, 20/80, 75/25, whatever it takes. Our household income was never big but we are willing to take a drop anyway.

We have a friend baby sit a partial day, on average, once a week, more if needed. The two older boys have been going to preschool one day or two half days a week for a few years. We waited until they wanted to go and understood where they were at and what they were doing there before enrolling them. My wife brings up putting the baby in day care on a similar schedule but I won’t agree until he has a concept of what is happening and shows an interest in doing what his big brothers are doing by going to school.

When it is obvious that I am taking care of the kids at home in view of the neighbors and in public places,which is often, I occasionally feel twinges of a stigma. Most often I am confident in what we are doing as a family. Many people get a kick out of seeing me and my boys out taking care of business or doing the rounds of museums, libraries, community center craft sessions etc. We meet so many good people.
I have all boys so maybe that makes my part easier than if we had both genders. I was also raised by a single dad from the age of ten, when my mother died so there is a personal precedent for my part.I never enjoyed a clock in clock out job and finally escaped about 10 years ago , hopefully for good. My wife is grateful that she isn’t isolated with the kids all the time and can keep her career alive, albeit on a part time basis for now. My wife’s parents have started college funds so that relieves some worry too.

[NotCranky]

We have 3 kids all under 5 years of age. My wife and I do(have done) the stay at home thing 100% her only, 50/50, 20/80, 75/25, whatever it takes. Our household income was never big but we are willing to take a drop anyway.

We have a friend baby sit a partial day, on average, once a week, more if needed. The two older boys have been going to preschool one day or two half days a week for a few years. We waited until they wanted to go and understood where they were at and what they were doing there before enrolling them. My wife brings up putting the baby in day care on a similar schedule but I won’t agree until he has a concept of what is happening and shows an interest in doing what his big brothers are doing by going to school.

When it is obvious that I am taking care of the kids at home in view of the neighbors and in public places,which is often, I occasionally feel twinges of a stigma. Most often I am confident in what we are doing as a family. Many people get a kick out of seeing me and my boys out taking care of business or doing the rounds of museums, libraries, community center craft sessions etc. We meet so many good people.
I have all boys so maybe that makes my part easier than if we had both genders. I was also raised by a single dad from the age of ten, when my mother died so there is a personal precedent for my part.I never enjoyed a clock in clock out job and finally escaped about 10 years ago , hopefully for good. My wife is grateful that she isn’t isolated with the kids all the time and can keep her career alive, albeit on a part time basis for now. My wife’s parents have started college funds so that relieves some worry too.

[NotCranky]

We have 3 kids all under 5 years of age. My wife and I do(have done) the stay at home thing 100% her only, 50/50, 20/80, 75/25, whatever it takes. Our household income was never big but we are willing to take a drop anyway.

We have a friend baby sit a partial day, on average, once a week, more if needed. The two older boys have been going to preschool one day or two half days a week for a few years. We waited until they wanted to go and understood where they were at and what they were doing there before enrolling them. My wife brings up putting the baby in day care on a similar schedule but I won’t agree until he has a concept of what is happening and shows an interest in doing what his big brothers are doing by going to school.

When it is obvious that I am taking care of the kids at home in view of the neighbors and in public places,which is often, I occasionally feel twinges of a stigma. Most often I am confident in what we are doing as a family. Many people get a kick out of seeing me and my boys out taking care of business or doing the rounds of museums, libraries, community center craft sessions etc. We meet so many good people.
I have all boys so maybe that makes my part easier than if we had both genders. I was also raised by a single dad from the age of ten, when my mother died so there is a personal precedent for my part.I never enjoyed a clock in clock out job and finally escaped about 10 years ago , hopefully for good. My wife is grateful that she isn’t isolated with the kids all the time and can keep her career alive, albeit on a part time basis for now. My wife’s parents have started college funds so that relieves some worry too.

[NotCranky]

We have 3 kids all under 5 years of age. My wife and I do(have done) the stay at home thing 100% her only, 50/50, 20/80, 75/25, whatever it takes. Our household income was never big but we are willing to take a drop anyway.

We have a friend baby sit a partial day, on average, once a week, more if needed. The two older boys have been going to preschool one day or two half days a week for a few years. We waited until they wanted to go and understood where they were at and what they were doing there before enrolling them. My wife brings up putting the baby in day care on a similar schedule but I won’t agree until he has a concept of what is happening and shows an interest in doing what his big brothers are doing by going to school.

When it is obvious that I am taking care of the kids at home in view of the neighbors and in public places,which is often, I occasionally feel twinges of a stigma. Most often I am confident in what we are doing as a family. Many people get a kick out of seeing me and my boys out taking care of business or doing the rounds of museums, libraries, community center craft sessions etc. We meet so many good people.
I have all boys so maybe that makes my part easier than if we had both genders. I was also raised by a single dad from the age of ten, when my mother died so there is a personal precedent for my part.I never enjoyed a clock in clock out job and finally escaped about 10 years ago , hopefully for good. My wife is grateful that she isn’t isolated with the kids all the time and can keep her career alive, albeit on a part time basis for now. My wife’s parents have started college funds so that relieves some worry too.

[Anonymous]

“Damn… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!!”

Oops, I said the “S” word in a room full of men…

P.S. (…Marion is looking both ways and slowly backing out of the forum from whence she came…)

😉

[Anonymous]

“Damn… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!!”

Oops, I said the “S” word in a room full of men…

P.S. (…Marion is looking both ways and slowly backing out of the forum from whence she came…)

😉

[Anonymous]

“Damn… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!!”

Oops, I said the “S” word in a room full of men…

P.S. (…Marion is looking both ways and slowly backing out of the forum from whence she came…)

😉

[Anonymous]

“Damn… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!!”

Oops, I said the “S” word in a room full of men…

P.S. (…Marion is looking both ways and slowly backing out of the forum from whence she came…)

😉

[Anonymous]

“Damn… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!!”

Oops, I said the “S” word in a room full of men…

P.S. (…Marion is looking both ways and slowly backing out of the forum from whence she came…)

😉

[The OC Scam]

Damm… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!! We are ten years and climbing like the DOW … WE are so sick we still hold hands when walking down the street. Just think of all the I saved 60% on my house sex that gonna be happening in 2012??

Professor please forgive us the numbers are driving us crazy sometimes we need a little break!

[The OC Scam]

Damm… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!! We are ten years and climbing like the DOW … WE are so sick we still hold hands when walking down the street. Just think of all the I saved 60% on my house sex that gonna be happening in 2012??

Professor please forgive us the numbers are driving us crazy sometimes we need a little break!

[The OC Scam]

Damm… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!! We are ten years and climbing like the DOW … WE are so sick we still hold hands when walking down the street. Just think of all the I saved 60% on my house sex that gonna be happening in 2012??

Professor please forgive us the numbers are driving us crazy sometimes we need a little break!

[The OC Scam]

Damm… she is asking FLU when him and the spouse thing have sex? WOW screw the housing market sounds like a price is falling orgy is about to happen soon!!! Well Marion just so you know the miss and I have a good session every morning before I take the kids to school and sometimes a little quicky on my detour back to the office!! We are ten years and climbing like the DOW … WE are so sick we still hold hands when walking down the street. Just think of all the I saved 60% on my house sex that gonna be happening in 2012??

Professor please forgive us the numbers are driving us crazy sometimes we need a little break!

[Coronita]

Lol, this thread has really gotten out of left field. Entertaining, but still left field.

Anyway,

megabear: social stigma aside, I'm playing more mr. mom these days, and doing career dad too, so I guess that's gonna stick. You aren't doing anything wrong about the quoting from previous replies. It doesn't work.

 

Marion: no, we don't live in a mansion. Far from it. We strongly believe for the tech field, as a worker bee (and that includes all the way up to director level which neither of us are), you're earning potential is pretty much a a bell curve. You start out low, you hit pretty much peak around 10-15 years, and then you go downhill from there. We're both nearing the peak. We both anticipate we can't do this when we're 40, nor do we really want to. What both of us are trying to do is fast track our finances before 40 because neither of us want to deal with this when were 40,50,60. People can debate all they want, but I say the economy is going in the crapper, inflation will be worse, health care is in trouble, and W-2 workers are going to be payiing a hell of a lot of taxes in the future. Anything short of that would be a blessing. So, we're trying to squeeze as much as we can out right now without compromising too much anything else. Money isn't about splurging on crap. It's about piece of mind and security and making sure a child with the ability to attend great universities won't be hindered by some finance technicality. In 7 years, we want everything to be paid off, both current obligations and future ones. As far as your other question, no we don't talk every night about geek things. And as for the second question, that's what the weekends and vacations are for.

Rustico: I admire your parenting examples. When we hadn't determined the gender of the child, I had hoped I wouldn't have a boy because if we did, we I would have to take him on all the sports/outdoor activities which i suck at. God gave me what I wanted from a gender perspective. But, judging about how active my child is, I would say I'll be taking her to all the sports activities. Kinda funny.

Marion: you still didn't answer my question. Where are your job offers being turned down? Before you even get an interview, or after? If you are getting turned down after talking to the people on site. There's something you can do if you have a friend you can really trust and count on. Back awhile ago, my friend really wanted to work for a company, so bad he didn't know what to do if he didn't get the offer. Long story short, I applied for the same job, did the rounds of interviews before him, and briefed came back with what they asked. He applied for the same job, secured his interview, and pretty much knew ahead of time what where some of the things he was going to be grilled on. Yes, he got the job.

 I'm calling it a night. Got my software developer overseas to do what I needed him to do. Nite folks.

 

[Coronita]

Lol, this thread has really gotten out of left field. Entertaining, but still left field.

Anyway,

megabear: social stigma aside, I'm playing more mr. mom these days, and doing career dad too, so I guess that's gonna stick. You aren't doing anything wrong about the quoting from previous replies. It doesn't work.

 

Marion: no, we don't live in a mansion. Far from it. We strongly believe for the tech field, as a worker bee (and that includes all the way up to director level which neither of us are), you're earning potential is pretty much a a bell curve. You start out low, you hit pretty much peak around 10-15 years, and then you go downhill from there. We're both nearing the peak. We both anticipate we can't do this when we're 40, nor do we really want to. What both of us are trying to do is fast track our finances before 40 because neither of us want to deal with this when were 40,50,60. People can debate all they want, but I say the economy is going in the crapper, inflation will be worse, health care is in trouble, and W-2 workers are going to be payiing a hell of a lot of taxes in the future. Anything short of that would be a blessing. So, we're trying to squeeze as much as we can out right now without compromising too much anything else. Money isn't about splurging on crap. It's about piece of mind and security and making sure a child with the ability to attend great universities won't be hindered by some finance technicality. In 7 years, we want everything to be paid off, both current obligations and future ones. As far as your other question, no we don't talk every night about geek things. And as for the second question, that's what the weekends and vacations are for.

Rustico: I admire your parenting examples. When we hadn't determined the gender of the child, I had hoped I wouldn't have a boy because if we did, we I would have to take him on all the sports/outdoor activities which i suck at. God gave me what I wanted from a gender perspective. But, judging about how active my child is, I would say I'll be taking her to all the sports activities. Kinda funny.

Marion: you still didn't answer my question. Where are your job offers being turned down? Before you even get an interview, or after? If you are getting turned down after talking to the people on site. There's something you can do if you have a friend you can really trust and count on. Back awhile ago, my friend really wanted to work for a company, so bad he didn't know what to do if he didn't get the offer. Long story short, I applied for the same job, did the rounds of interviews before him, and briefed came back with what they asked. He applied for the same job, secured his interview, and pretty much knew ahead of time what where some of the things he was going to be grilled on. Yes, he got the job.

 I'm calling it a night. Got my software developer overseas to do what I needed him to do. Nite folks.

 

[Coronita]

Lol, this thread has really gotten out of left field. Entertaining, but still left field.

Anyway,

megabear: social stigma aside, I'm playing more mr. mom these days, and doing career dad too, so I guess that's gonna stick. You aren't doing anything wrong about the quoting from previous replies. It doesn't work.

 

Marion: no, we don't live in a mansion. Far from it. We strongly believe for the tech field, as a worker bee (and that includes all the way up to director level which neither of us are), you're earning potential is pretty much a a bell curve. You start out low, you hit pretty much peak around 10-15 years, and then you go downhill from there. We're both nearing the peak. We both anticipate we can't do this when we're 40, nor do we really want to. What both of us are trying to do is fast track our finances before 40 because neither of us want to deal with this when were 40,50,60. People can debate all they want, but I say the economy is going in the crapper, inflation will be worse, health care is in trouble, and W-2 workers are going to be payiing a hell of a lot of taxes in the future. Anything short of that would be a blessing. So, we're trying to squeeze as much as we can out right now without compromising too much anything else. Money isn't about splurging on crap. It's about piece of mind and security and making sure a child with the ability to attend great universities won't be hindered by some finance technicality. In 7 years, we want everything to be paid off, both current obligations and future ones. As far as your other question, no we don't talk every night about geek things. And as for the second question, that's what the weekends and vacations are for.

Rustico: I admire your parenting examples. When we hadn't determined the gender of the child, I had hoped I wouldn't have a boy because if we did, we I would have to take him on all the sports/outdoor activities which i suck at. God gave me what I wanted from a gender perspective. But, judging about how active my child is, I would say I'll be taking her to all the sports activities. Kinda funny.

Marion: you still didn't answer my question. Where are your job offers being turned down? Before you even get an interview, or after? If you are getting turned down after talking to the people on site. There's something you can do if you have a friend you can really trust and count on. Back awhile ago, my friend really wanted to work for a company, so bad he didn't know what to do if he didn't get the offer. Long story short, I applied for the same job, did the rounds of interviews before him, and briefed came back with what they asked. He applied for the same job, secured his interview, and pretty much knew ahead of time what where some of the things he was going to be grilled on. Yes, he got the job.

 I'm calling it a night. Got my software developer overseas to do what I needed him to do. Nite folks.

 

[Coronita]

Lol, this thread has really gotten out of left field. Entertaining, but still left field.

Anyway,

megabear: social stigma aside, I'm playing more mr. mom these days, and doing career dad too, so I guess that's gonna stick. You aren't doing anything wrong about the quoting from previous replies. It doesn't work.

 

Marion: no, we don't live in a mansion. Far from it. We strongly believe for the tech field, as a worker bee (and that includes all the way up to director level which neither of us are), you're earning potential is pretty much a a bell curve. You start out low, you hit pretty much peak around 10-15 years, and then you go downhill from there. We're both nearing the peak. We both anticipate we can't do this when we're 40, nor do we really want to. What both of us are trying to do is fast track our finances before 40 because neither of us want to deal with this when were 40,50,60. People can debate all they want, but I say the economy is going in the crapper, inflation will be worse, health care is in trouble, and W-2 workers are going to be payiing a hell of a lot of taxes in the future. Anything short of that would be a blessing. So, we're trying to squeeze as much as we can out right now without compromising too much anything else. Money isn't about splurging on crap. It's about piece of mind and security and making sure a child with the ability to attend great universities won't be hindered by some finance technicality. In 7 years, we want everything to be paid off, both current obligations and future ones. As far as your other question, no we don't talk every night about geek things. And as for the second question, that's what the weekends and vacations are for.

Rustico: I admire your parenting examples. When we hadn't determined the gender of the child, I had hoped I wouldn't have a boy because if we did, we I would have to take him on all the sports/outdoor activities which i suck at. God gave me what I wanted from a gender perspective. But, judging about how active my child is, I would say I'll be taking her to all the sports activities. Kinda funny.

Marion: you still didn't answer my question. Where are your job offers being turned down? Before you even get an interview, or after? If you are getting turned down after talking to the people on site. There's something you can do if you have a friend you can really trust and count on. Back awhile ago, my friend really wanted to work for a company, so bad he didn't know what to do if he didn't get the offer. Long story short, I applied for the same job, did the rounds of interviews before him, and briefed came back with what they asked. He applied for the same job, secured his interview, and pretty much knew ahead of time what where some of the things he was going to be grilled on. Yes, he got the job.

 I'm calling it a night. Got my software developer overseas to do what I needed him to do. Nite folks.

 

[Coronita]

Lol, this thread has really gotten out of left field. Entertaining, but still left field.

Anyway,

megabear: social stigma aside, I'm playing more mr. mom these days, and doing career dad too, so I guess that's gonna stick. You aren't doing anything wrong about the quoting from previous replies. It doesn't work.

 

Marion: no, we don't live in a mansion. Far from it. We strongly believe for the tech field, as a worker bee (and that includes all the way up to director level which neither of us are), you're earning potential is pretty much a a bell curve. You start out low, you hit pretty much peak around 10-15 years, and then you go downhill from there. We're both nearing the peak. We both anticipate we can't do this when we're 40, nor do we really want to. What both of us are trying to do is fast track our finances before 40 because neither of us want to deal with this when were 40,50,60. People can debate all they want, but I say the economy is going in the crapper, inflation will be worse, health care is in trouble, and W-2 workers are going to be payiing a hell of a lot of taxes in the future. Anything short of that would be a blessing. So, we're trying to squeeze as much as we can out right now without compromising too much anything else. Money isn't about splurging on crap. It's about piece of mind and security and making sure a child with the ability to attend great universities won't be hindered by some finance technicality. In 7 years, we want everything to be paid off, both current obligations and future ones. As far as your other question, no we don't talk every night about geek things. And as for the second question, that's what the weekends and vacations are for.

Rustico: I admire your parenting examples. When we hadn't determined the gender of the child, I had hoped I wouldn't have a boy because if we did, we I would have to take him on all the sports/outdoor activities which i suck at. God gave me what I wanted from a gender perspective. But, judging about how active my child is, I would say I'll be taking her to all the sports activities. Kinda funny.

Marion: you still didn't answer my question. Where are your job offers being turned down? Before you even get an interview, or after? If you are getting turned down after talking to the people on site. There's something you can do if you have a friend you can really trust and count on. Back awhile ago, my friend really wanted to work for a company, so bad he didn't know what to do if he didn't get the offer. Long story short, I applied for the same job, did the rounds of interviews before him, and briefed came back with what they asked. He applied for the same job, secured his interview, and pretty much knew ahead of time what where some of the things he was going to be grilled on. Yes, he got the job.

 I'm calling it a night. Got my software developer overseas to do what I needed him to do. Nite folks.