House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[NeetaT]

Force me to buy health insurance or pay a fine? I will choose jail time instead. To force insurance companies to take on pre-existing conditions is like someone being forced to place a bet on the worst game in the casino. Great, let’s also destroy all the jobs related to the private health insurance industry. Even better yet, let’s penalize success by placing a surcharge on people who make 500k or more. Idiots!!!!!!!!

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb] In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.[/quote]

That’s why I’m all for government guaranteed basis health insurance — periodic checkup, generic drugs, etc… Nobody wants to admit it but that would mean rationed health care.

If people want more fanciful coverage, their employers can buy it for them or they can buy it themselves.

Look at countries with successful health insurance coverage — Singapore, France, Taiwan, etc…

Doctors will still make lots of money catering to the well-to-do who pay out of pocket. But they will also provide more basic coverage to the patients with basic health care coverage.

For example my dad is on Medicare. They only cover cataract surgery by replacing the eye lens with a single-focal lens.

If he wants the new multi-focal lens that came out in 2007, he has to pay out of pocket (at least $3,000 extra) That’s his choice. And if he can’t afford, it? Well, that’s tough luck. He will have to wear reading glasses like the other elderly folks.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb] In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.[/quote]

That’s why I’m all for government guaranteed basis health insurance — periodic checkup, generic drugs, etc… Nobody wants to admit it but that would mean rationed health care.

If people want more fanciful coverage, their employers can buy it for them or they can buy it themselves.

Look at countries with successful health insurance coverage — Singapore, France, Taiwan, etc…

Doctors will still make lots of money catering to the well-to-do who pay out of pocket. But they will also provide more basic coverage to the patients with basic health care coverage.

For example my dad is on Medicare. They only cover cataract surgery by replacing the eye lens with a single-focal lens.

If he wants the new multi-focal lens that came out in 2007, he has to pay out of pocket (at least $3,000 extra) That’s his choice. And if he can’t afford, it? Well, that’s tough luck. He will have to wear reading glasses like the other elderly folks.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb] In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.[/quote]

That’s why I’m all for government guaranteed basis health insurance — periodic checkup, generic drugs, etc… Nobody wants to admit it but that would mean rationed health care.

If people want more fanciful coverage, their employers can buy it for them or they can buy it themselves.

Look at countries with successful health insurance coverage — Singapore, France, Taiwan, etc…

Doctors will still make lots of money catering to the well-to-do who pay out of pocket. But they will also provide more basic coverage to the patients with basic health care coverage.

For example my dad is on Medicare. They only cover cataract surgery by replacing the eye lens with a single-focal lens.

If he wants the new multi-focal lens that came out in 2007, he has to pay out of pocket (at least $3,000 extra) That’s his choice. And if he can’t afford, it? Well, that’s tough luck. He will have to wear reading glasses like the other elderly folks.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb] In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.[/quote]

That’s why I’m all for government guaranteed basis health insurance — periodic checkup, generic drugs, etc… Nobody wants to admit it but that would mean rationed health care.

If people want more fanciful coverage, their employers can buy it for them or they can buy it themselves.

Look at countries with successful health insurance coverage — Singapore, France, Taiwan, etc…

Doctors will still make lots of money catering to the well-to-do who pay out of pocket. But they will also provide more basic coverage to the patients with basic health care coverage.

For example my dad is on Medicare. They only cover cataract surgery by replacing the eye lens with a single-focal lens.

If he wants the new multi-focal lens that came out in 2007, he has to pay out of pocket (at least $3,000 extra) That’s his choice. And if he can’t afford, it? Well, that’s tough luck. He will have to wear reading glasses like the other elderly folks.

[briansd1]

[quote=jpinpb] In a perfect world, everyone would be covered.[/quote]

That’s why I’m all for government guaranteed basis health insurance — periodic checkup, generic drugs, etc… Nobody wants to admit it but that would mean rationed health care.

If people want more fanciful coverage, their employers can buy it for them or they can buy it themselves.

Look at countries with successful health insurance coverage — Singapore, France, Taiwan, etc…

Doctors will still make lots of money catering to the well-to-do who pay out of pocket. But they will also provide more basic coverage to the patients with basic health care coverage.

For example my dad is on Medicare. They only cover cataract surgery by replacing the eye lens with a single-focal lens.

If he wants the new multi-focal lens that came out in 2007, he has to pay out of pocket (at least $3,000 extra) That’s his choice. And if he can’t afford, it? Well, that’s tough luck. He will have to wear reading glasses like the other elderly folks.

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones]
Brian,

I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.[/quote]

We are talking for the greater good of society here.

See my post above about cataract surgery. Medicare is already rationing health care.

I’m of the feeling that everyone should be covered. They should see a primary care doctor if they wish.

But the people who get sick more often need to spend more of their income on health care.

It would be like flying on a plane. The government would insure that everyone can get coach so many times per year. If you want unlimited business class, of first class health care, then you (or your employer) would buy additional insurance.

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones]
Brian,

I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.[/quote]

We are talking for the greater good of society here.

See my post above about cataract surgery. Medicare is already rationing health care.

I’m of the feeling that everyone should be covered. They should see a primary care doctor if they wish.

But the people who get sick more often need to spend more of their income on health care.

It would be like flying on a plane. The government would insure that everyone can get coach so many times per year. If you want unlimited business class, of first class health care, then you (or your employer) would buy additional insurance.

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones]
Brian,

I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.[/quote]

We are talking for the greater good of society here.

See my post above about cataract surgery. Medicare is already rationing health care.

I’m of the feeling that everyone should be covered. They should see a primary care doctor if they wish.

But the people who get sick more often need to spend more of their income on health care.

It would be like flying on a plane. The government would insure that everyone can get coach so many times per year. If you want unlimited business class, of first class health care, then you (or your employer) would buy additional insurance.

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones]
Brian,

I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.[/quote]

We are talking for the greater good of society here.

See my post above about cataract surgery. Medicare is already rationing health care.

I’m of the feeling that everyone should be covered. They should see a primary care doctor if they wish.

But the people who get sick more often need to spend more of their income on health care.

It would be like flying on a plane. The government would insure that everyone can get coach so many times per year. If you want unlimited business class, of first class health care, then you (or your employer) would buy additional insurance.

[briansd1]

[quote=Jim Jones]
Brian,

I hope you enjoy the rationing when it is one of your loved ones who is waiting 10 months for a hip surgery. It sounds very egalitarian until it’s your interests on the line.[/quote]

We are talking for the greater good of society here.

See my post above about cataract surgery. Medicare is already rationing health care.

I’m of the feeling that everyone should be covered. They should see a primary care doctor if they wish.

But the people who get sick more often need to spend more of their income on health care.

It would be like flying on a plane. The government would insure that everyone can get coach so many times per year. If you want unlimited business class, of first class health care, then you (or your employer) would buy additional insurance.

[NeetaT]

So, does the Senate just act as a filter for the bill before it is signed into law or is there still a chance that the bill will not be signed into law? I guess what I’m asking is, will we definitely get something signed into law since it passed congress? I hope not!

[NeetaT]

So, does the Senate just act as a filter for the bill before it is signed into law or is there still a chance that the bill will not be signed into law? I guess what I’m asking is, will we definitely get something signed into law since it passed congress? I hope not!

[NeetaT]

So, does the Senate just act as a filter for the bill before it is signed into law or is there still a chance that the bill will not be signed into law? I guess what I’m asking is, will we definitely get something signed into law since it passed congress? I hope not!

[NeetaT]

So, does the Senate just act as a filter for the bill before it is signed into law or is there still a chance that the bill will not be signed into law? I guess what I’m asking is, will we definitely get something signed into law since it passed congress? I hope not!

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