House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat.

[mike92104]

[quote=ucodegen]

But we need to deal with things one step at a time.

The first order of priority is to provide universal health care.

Why is universal health care the first step?? The real problem is the costs.. Universal Health care is seen as the solution… why not address the real cause first.. and then see if Universal Health care is really needed. All that Universal Health care will do is hide the costs.. and give the money gobbling parties yet a bigger purse to feed from. This is likely to stop people from pursuing the real costs because they can no longer see them. They just see ‘higher taxes’ and not the real cause. The politicians then can start using the hot-potato blame game to keep themselves in power..[/quote]

Exactly. I see this as just a ruse to supply the congress with another trough to feed from. I don’t see that it does anything to significantly change the system as a whole.

[mike92104]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]

Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.[/quote]

Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.

[mike92104]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]

Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.[/quote]

Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.

[mike92104]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]

Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.[/quote]

Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.

[mike92104]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]

Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.[/quote]

Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.

[mike92104]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]

Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.[/quote]

Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1][quote=sd_matt]

I think it is best not to pile on any additional debt for ANY reason.[/quote]

Government needs to spend on programs society deems important.

If we spend the money on health care, then we’ll be constrained in war and other adventures.

I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

So, we only got into the war because we had too much loose change burning a hole in out pockets?

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
I just went to the dentist. My bill, before insurance payment was about $220 (x-rays and cleaning). I noticed that a lot of people have terrible teeth but they’ll spend money on other things.

But if they spend money on dental care first, then they’ll be healthier. They just have to give up something else (perhaps cable TV or brand name clothing).

The same principle applies to society as a whole. We should prioritize health care at the top of the list of needs and cut back on things we don’t need.[/quote]

But you give these people a pass and say that they DON’T need to make this choice…that government should confiscate the money from other people (some who likely DO pay for their own healthcare and insurance) and give it to people, many of whom made the conscious choice to pay for their cable instead of health insurance.

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