Health Care tax hikes

[Hobie]

The party of No calling Brian and Daniel. We call it personal r e s p o n s i b i l i t y.

Regarding the “got mine..” comment a lot of folks support the down and out through their churches and other philanthropic efforts. Put the broad brush away.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Did you notice how the right is all about me, me, me? With them it’s always “why should I?”, “they don’t deserve”, etc..

How about thinking of others for a minute? So it’ll cost of little bit more to buy OTC meds. Is that a big enough deal to deny millions of Americans health care coverage?[/quote]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Did you notice how the right is all about me, me, me? With them it’s always “why should I?”, “they don’t deserve”, etc..

How about thinking of others for a minute? So it’ll cost of little bit more to buy OTC meds. Is that a big enough deal to deny millions of Americans health care coverage?[/quote]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Did you notice how the right is all about me, me, me? With them it’s always “why should I?”, “they don’t deserve”, etc..

How about thinking of others for a minute? So it’ll cost of little bit more to buy OTC meds. Is that a big enough deal to deny millions of Americans health care coverage?[/quote]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Did you notice how the right is all about me, me, me? With them it’s always “why should I?”, “they don’t deserve”, etc..

How about thinking of others for a minute? So it’ll cost of little bit more to buy OTC meds. Is that a big enough deal to deny millions of Americans health care coverage?[/quote]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.

[meadandale]

[quote=briansd1]
Did you notice how the right is all about me, me, me? With them it’s always “why should I?”, “they don’t deserve”, etc..

How about thinking of others for a minute? So it’ll cost of little bit more to buy OTC meds. Is that a big enough deal to deny millions of Americans health care coverage?[/quote]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ucodegen] The over-the-counter drug is both safer and keeps the clotting factor of the blood more stable.[/quote]

I don’t see the problem with people buying aspirin and OTC medication using after tax dollars, just like they pay for other everyday household expenditures.

Aspirin can be purchased for $2 at walmart. That’s lower than the copay on prescription medication so the patient will save money when choosing OTC vs. prescription.[/quote]

I had to respond to this thread. For those who do not work or have no knowledge of the medical field, you would be absolutely shocked at the waste and abuse that occurs every day. I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. My suggestion, invest in pharm companies. Teva pharm should be a good investment going forward.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ucodegen] The over-the-counter drug is both safer and keeps the clotting factor of the blood more stable.[/quote]

I don’t see the problem with people buying aspirin and OTC medication using after tax dollars, just like they pay for other everyday household expenditures.

Aspirin can be purchased for $2 at walmart. That’s lower than the copay on prescription medication so the patient will save money when choosing OTC vs. prescription.[/quote]

I had to respond to this thread. For those who do not work or have no knowledge of the medical field, you would be absolutely shocked at the waste and abuse that occurs every day. I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. My suggestion, invest in pharm companies. Teva pharm should be a good investment going forward.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ucodegen] The over-the-counter drug is both safer and keeps the clotting factor of the blood more stable.[/quote]

I don’t see the problem with people buying aspirin and OTC medication using after tax dollars, just like they pay for other everyday household expenditures.

Aspirin can be purchased for $2 at walmart. That’s lower than the copay on prescription medication so the patient will save money when choosing OTC vs. prescription.[/quote]

I had to respond to this thread. For those who do not work or have no knowledge of the medical field, you would be absolutely shocked at the waste and abuse that occurs every day. I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. My suggestion, invest in pharm companies. Teva pharm should be a good investment going forward.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ucodegen] The over-the-counter drug is both safer and keeps the clotting factor of the blood more stable.[/quote]

I don’t see the problem with people buying aspirin and OTC medication using after tax dollars, just like they pay for other everyday household expenditures.

Aspirin can be purchased for $2 at walmart. That’s lower than the copay on prescription medication so the patient will save money when choosing OTC vs. prescription.[/quote]

I had to respond to this thread. For those who do not work or have no knowledge of the medical field, you would be absolutely shocked at the waste and abuse that occurs every day. I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. My suggestion, invest in pharm companies. Teva pharm should be a good investment going forward.

[mercedes7]

[quote=briansd1][quote=ucodegen] The over-the-counter drug is both safer and keeps the clotting factor of the blood more stable.[/quote]

I don’t see the problem with people buying aspirin and OTC medication using after tax dollars, just like they pay for other everyday household expenditures.

Aspirin can be purchased for $2 at walmart. That’s lower than the copay on prescription medication so the patient will save money when choosing OTC vs. prescription.[/quote]

I had to respond to this thread. For those who do not work or have no knowledge of the medical field, you would be absolutely shocked at the waste and abuse that occurs every day. I see families every day who drive to the doctor/hospital in a late model SUV, women carrying the latest designer handbag, teens listening to their ipods, with husband and wife both carrying Iphones etc… (you get the drift), then they take out their medi-cal cards, insist the doctor write the prescription form of everything from Miralax to Prevacid/Prilosec, motrin vs otc ibuprofen etc and insist they cant afford to buy the medication (priorities). Usually these meds get up to 6 refills and can be quite costly if purchased otc. BTW, there is NO co-payment of any kind for many plans so there is no negative incentive as Brian mentioned.

And this is really the tip of the iceberg in terms of waste/abuse…but wanted to limit to OTC meds since this is the focus of this thread. Those who don’t believe this will increase the number of “prescription” medications dispensed (vs buying otc) is either very naive or has no knowledge of the way the medical system works. My suggestion, invest in pharm companies. Teva pharm should be a good investment going forward.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.[/quote]

Nobody is spending your money.

I’m talking about reallocating OUR money to compassionate causes, not useless policies.

[quote=Hobie]The party of No calling Brian and Daniel. We call it personal r e s p o n s i b i l i t y.

Regarding the “got mine..” comment a lot of folks support the down and out through their churches and other philanthropic efforts. Put the broad brush away.[/quote]

Guess what? You generally have to belong to the church and have the same beliefs in order to qualify for the generosity. Churches are arbitrary and whimsical in dolling out charity. This is no audit or transparency.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.[/quote]

Nobody is spending your money.

I’m talking about reallocating OUR money to compassionate causes, not useless policies.

[quote=Hobie]The party of No calling Brian and Daniel. We call it personal r e s p o n s i b i l i t y.

Regarding the “got mine..” comment a lot of folks support the down and out through their churches and other philanthropic efforts. Put the broad brush away.[/quote]

Guess what? You generally have to belong to the church and have the same beliefs in order to qualify for the generosity. Churches are arbitrary and whimsical in dolling out charity. This is no audit or transparency.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.[/quote]

Nobody is spending your money.

I’m talking about reallocating OUR money to compassionate causes, not useless policies.

[quote=Hobie]The party of No calling Brian and Daniel. We call it personal r e s p o n s i b i l i t y.

Regarding the “got mine..” comment a lot of folks support the down and out through their churches and other philanthropic efforts. Put the broad brush away.[/quote]

Guess what? You generally have to belong to the church and have the same beliefs in order to qualify for the generosity. Churches are arbitrary and whimsical in dolling out charity. This is no audit or transparency.

[briansd1]

[quote=meadandale]

I’ve found that it’s easy to be generous and compassionate when you are spending other people’s money.[/quote]

Nobody is spending your money.

I’m talking about reallocating OUR money to compassionate causes, not useless policies.

[quote=Hobie]The party of No calling Brian and Daniel. We call it personal r e s p o n s i b i l i t y.

Regarding the “got mine..” comment a lot of folks support the down and out through their churches and other philanthropic efforts. Put the broad brush away.[/quote]

Guess what? You generally have to belong to the church and have the same beliefs in order to qualify for the generosity. Churches are arbitrary and whimsical in dolling out charity. This is no audit or transparency.

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