Has Goldman fatally damaged their Franchise?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV] To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat. [/quote]

haha. that’s funny but true.

SK, I agree that Democrats have been more compromising and more intellectually honest. They’ve negotiated more but they’ve gotten nothing in return.

Democrats need to learn from Limbaugh and talk in slogans that appeal emotionally to people and rile them up to the voting booths.

Then there’s also the fact that after they arrive in Washington, some Democratic politicians get smitten by power and wealth and forget their ideals. I would expect that of Republicans but I’m less forgiving of Democrats.

But such is human nature and such is the corrupting power of money. Once you get seduced by money, all your ideals go out the window. As Allan said, it’s all about money.

I accept that as part the human fate. So I’ll settle for some social progress rather than nothing at all.[/quote]

Brian: For someone who spends so much of his time answering in aphorisms, I wouldn’t be so quick to rip on slogans and sloganeering.

Dems are more intellectually honest than Republicans? Oh, puh-leeze. The slime extends to both sides of the aisle.

Just for shits and giggles, look up the “Keating Five”, and then we can discuss Democratic honesty versus Republican honesty.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] That was the basis for my questions to you (still unanswered, I might add) as to why the Dems aren’t swinging a fucking axe at Wall Street.[/quote]

I’ll take a swing at that one. To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat.

It’s been pretty consistent over the last 20 years. When they have a popular plan (like real health care reform), rather than do more of it, they do less. They negotiate, make concessions, and get nothing in return. They could propose a bill almost entirely written by republicans and still not get any republican support. (Again, see the HIR bill that DID pass) If there was a prosecutor for such things, it would be political malpractice. And of course, the same element, though to only a slightly lesser extent, that guides the Republicans. Bought and paid for by Wall Street.[/quote]

SK: Good answer. As a former self-loathing Republican, I cannot stand either party, but stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand!

While I think Republican resistance to the Healthcare bill was both repulsive and unselfconsciously ironic (given that you’re correct about its provenance as a largely Republican construct), its now par for the course in terms of the demagogery running rampant on the Hill.

I think we’ve now devolved into groupings of Balkanized irredentists, completely unable to see anyone’s view(s) but our own and riven by the Roves and Carvilles of the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] That was the basis for my questions to you (still unanswered, I might add) as to why the Dems aren’t swinging a fucking axe at Wall Street.[/quote]

I’ll take a swing at that one. To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat.

It’s been pretty consistent over the last 20 years. When they have a popular plan (like real health care reform), rather than do more of it, they do less. They negotiate, make concessions, and get nothing in return. They could propose a bill almost entirely written by republicans and still not get any republican support. (Again, see the HIR bill that DID pass) If there was a prosecutor for such things, it would be political malpractice. And of course, the same element, though to only a slightly lesser extent, that guides the Republicans. Bought and paid for by Wall Street.[/quote]

SK: Good answer. As a former self-loathing Republican, I cannot stand either party, but stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand!

While I think Republican resistance to the Healthcare bill was both repulsive and unselfconsciously ironic (given that you’re correct about its provenance as a largely Republican construct), its now par for the course in terms of the demagogery running rampant on the Hill.

I think we’ve now devolved into groupings of Balkanized irredentists, completely unable to see anyone’s view(s) but our own and riven by the Roves and Carvilles of the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] That was the basis for my questions to you (still unanswered, I might add) as to why the Dems aren’t swinging a fucking axe at Wall Street.[/quote]

I’ll take a swing at that one. To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat.

It’s been pretty consistent over the last 20 years. When they have a popular plan (like real health care reform), rather than do more of it, they do less. They negotiate, make concessions, and get nothing in return. They could propose a bill almost entirely written by republicans and still not get any republican support. (Again, see the HIR bill that DID pass) If there was a prosecutor for such things, it would be political malpractice. And of course, the same element, though to only a slightly lesser extent, that guides the Republicans. Bought and paid for by Wall Street.[/quote]

SK: Good answer. As a former self-loathing Republican, I cannot stand either party, but stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand!

While I think Republican resistance to the Healthcare bill was both repulsive and unselfconsciously ironic (given that you’re correct about its provenance as a largely Republican construct), its now par for the course in terms of the demagogery running rampant on the Hill.

I think we’ve now devolved into groupings of Balkanized irredentists, completely unable to see anyone’s view(s) but our own and riven by the Roves and Carvilles of the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] That was the basis for my questions to you (still unanswered, I might add) as to why the Dems aren’t swinging a fucking axe at Wall Street.[/quote]

I’ll take a swing at that one. To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat.

It’s been pretty consistent over the last 20 years. When they have a popular plan (like real health care reform), rather than do more of it, they do less. They negotiate, make concessions, and get nothing in return. They could propose a bill almost entirely written by republicans and still not get any republican support. (Again, see the HIR bill that DID pass) If there was a prosecutor for such things, it would be political malpractice. And of course, the same element, though to only a slightly lesser extent, that guides the Republicans. Bought and paid for by Wall Street.[/quote]

SK: Good answer. As a former self-loathing Republican, I cannot stand either party, but stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand!

While I think Republican resistance to the Healthcare bill was both repulsive and unselfconsciously ironic (given that you’re correct about its provenance as a largely Republican construct), its now par for the course in terms of the demagogery running rampant on the Hill.

I think we’ve now devolved into groupings of Balkanized irredentists, completely unable to see anyone’s view(s) but our own and riven by the Roves and Carvilles of the world.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] That was the basis for my questions to you (still unanswered, I might add) as to why the Dems aren’t swinging a fucking axe at Wall Street.[/quote]

I’ll take a swing at that one. To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat.

It’s been pretty consistent over the last 20 years. When they have a popular plan (like real health care reform), rather than do more of it, they do less. They negotiate, make concessions, and get nothing in return. They could propose a bill almost entirely written by republicans and still not get any republican support. (Again, see the HIR bill that DID pass) If there was a prosecutor for such things, it would be political malpractice. And of course, the same element, though to only a slightly lesser extent, that guides the Republicans. Bought and paid for by Wall Street.[/quote]

SK: Good answer. As a former self-loathing Republican, I cannot stand either party, but stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand!

While I think Republican resistance to the Healthcare bill was both repulsive and unselfconsciously ironic (given that you’re correct about its provenance as a largely Republican construct), its now par for the course in terms of the demagogery running rampant on the Hill.

I think we’ve now devolved into groupings of Balkanized irredentists, completely unable to see anyone’s view(s) but our own and riven by the Roves and Carvilles of the world.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand![/quote]

There is your answer about compromise and intellectual honesty.

When Republicans held Congress, the Democrats compromised a lot more. Today, the Republicans are unified and organized as the Party of No.

Sure there are individual case of excesses in both parties, but overall, Democrats are more compromising.

When I talk to progressives, we tend to debate issues in a give and take. We don’t always agree. Conservatives have more moral certainty so it’s easier for them to agree and enforce discipline.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand![/quote]

There is your answer about compromise and intellectual honesty.

When Republicans held Congress, the Democrats compromised a lot more. Today, the Republicans are unified and organized as the Party of No.

Sure there are individual case of excesses in both parties, but overall, Democrats are more compromising.

When I talk to progressives, we tend to debate issues in a give and take. We don’t always agree. Conservatives have more moral certainty so it’s easier for them to agree and enforce discipline.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand![/quote]

There is your answer about compromise and intellectual honesty.

When Republicans held Congress, the Democrats compromised a lot more. Today, the Republicans are unified and organized as the Party of No.

Sure there are individual case of excesses in both parties, but overall, Democrats are more compromising.

When I talk to progressives, we tend to debate issues in a give and take. We don’t always agree. Conservatives have more moral certainty so it’s easier for them to agree and enforce discipline.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand![/quote]

There is your answer about compromise and intellectual honesty.

When Republicans held Congress, the Democrats compromised a lot more. Today, the Republicans are unified and organized as the Party of No.

Sure there are individual case of excesses in both parties, but overall, Democrats are more compromising.

When I talk to progressives, we tend to debate issues in a give and take. We don’t always agree. Conservatives have more moral certainty so it’s easier for them to agree and enforce discipline.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] stand amazed at the Democrat’s inability to get anything done and they’re holding the whip hand![/quote]

There is your answer about compromise and intellectual honesty.

When Republicans held Congress, the Democrats compromised a lot more. Today, the Republicans are unified and organized as the Party of No.

Sure there are individual case of excesses in both parties, but overall, Democrats are more compromising.

When I talk to progressives, we tend to debate issues in a give and take. We don’t always agree. Conservatives have more moral certainty so it’s easier for them to agree and enforce discipline.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV] To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat. [/quote]

haha. that’s funny but true.

SK, I agree that Democrats have been more compromising and more intellectually honest. They’ve negotiated more but they’ve gotten nothing in return.

Democrats need to learn from Limbaugh and talk in slogans that appeal emotionally to people and rile them up to the voting booths.

Then there’s also the fact that after they arrive in Washington, some Democratic politicians get smitten by power and wealth and forget their ideals. I would expect that of Republicans but I’m less forgiving of Democrats.

But such is human nature and such is the corrupting power of money. Once you get seduced by money, all your ideals go out the window. As Allan said, it’s all about money.

I accept that as part the human fate. So I’ll settle for some social progress rather than nothing at all.[/quote]

Brian: For someone who spends so much of his time answering in aphorisms, I wouldn’t be so quick to rip on slogans and sloganeering.

Dems are more intellectually honest than Republicans? Oh, puh-leeze. The slime extends to both sides of the aisle.

Just for shits and giggles, look up the “Keating Five”, and then we can discuss Democratic honesty versus Republican honesty.[/quote]

Keating…Oh man, that rings a bell.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV] To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat. [/quote]

haha. that’s funny but true.

SK, I agree that Democrats have been more compromising and more intellectually honest. They’ve negotiated more but they’ve gotten nothing in return.

Democrats need to learn from Limbaugh and talk in slogans that appeal emotionally to people and rile them up to the voting booths.

Then there’s also the fact that after they arrive in Washington, some Democratic politicians get smitten by power and wealth and forget their ideals. I would expect that of Republicans but I’m less forgiving of Democrats.

But such is human nature and such is the corrupting power of money. Once you get seduced by money, all your ideals go out the window. As Allan said, it’s all about money.

I accept that as part the human fate. So I’ll settle for some social progress rather than nothing at all.[/quote]

Brian: For someone who spends so much of his time answering in aphorisms, I wouldn’t be so quick to rip on slogans and sloganeering.

Dems are more intellectually honest than Republicans? Oh, puh-leeze. The slime extends to both sides of the aisle.

Just for shits and giggles, look up the “Keating Five”, and then we can discuss Democratic honesty versus Republican honesty.[/quote]

Keating…Oh man, that rings a bell.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV] To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat. [/quote]

haha. that’s funny but true.

SK, I agree that Democrats have been more compromising and more intellectually honest. They’ve negotiated more but they’ve gotten nothing in return.

Democrats need to learn from Limbaugh and talk in slogans that appeal emotionally to people and rile them up to the voting booths.

Then there’s also the fact that after they arrive in Washington, some Democratic politicians get smitten by power and wealth and forget their ideals. I would expect that of Republicans but I’m less forgiving of Democrats.

But such is human nature and such is the corrupting power of money. Once you get seduced by money, all your ideals go out the window. As Allan said, it’s all about money.

I accept that as part the human fate. So I’ll settle for some social progress rather than nothing at all.[/quote]

Brian: For someone who spends so much of his time answering in aphorisms, I wouldn’t be so quick to rip on slogans and sloganeering.

Dems are more intellectually honest than Republicans? Oh, puh-leeze. The slime extends to both sides of the aisle.

Just for shits and giggles, look up the “Keating Five”, and then we can discuss Democratic honesty versus Republican honesty.[/quote]

Keating…Oh man, that rings a bell.

[Coronita]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV] To quote Will Rogers, I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a democrat. [/quote]

haha. that’s funny but true.

SK, I agree that Democrats have been more compromising and more intellectually honest. They’ve negotiated more but they’ve gotten nothing in return.

Democrats need to learn from Limbaugh and talk in slogans that appeal emotionally to people and rile them up to the voting booths.

Then there’s also the fact that after they arrive in Washington, some Democratic politicians get smitten by power and wealth and forget their ideals. I would expect that of Republicans but I’m less forgiving of Democrats.

But such is human nature and such is the corrupting power of money. Once you get seduced by money, all your ideals go out the window. As Allan said, it’s all about money.

I accept that as part the human fate. So I’ll settle for some social progress rather than nothing at all.[/quote]

Brian: For someone who spends so much of his time answering in aphorisms, I wouldn’t be so quick to rip on slogans and sloganeering.

Dems are more intellectually honest than Republicans? Oh, puh-leeze. The slime extends to both sides of the aisle.

Just for shits and giggles, look up the “Keating Five”, and then we can discuss Democratic honesty versus Republican honesty.[/quote]

Keating…Oh man, that rings a bell.

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