Greer Ranch – any info, please?

[dharmagirl]

Hello,

Was chatting with a new acqaintance today who was bragging about her “great neighborhood” – Greer Ranch.

She said the neighbors all have pot luck dinners, rent limos to do wine tours….she made it sound like The Waltons.

Anyone know about Greer Ranch? What’s the scoop? Redneck, white collar, blue blood???

Thanks,
DG

[sd-maybe]

http://www.greerranch.org/

On the left hand side click the link about the Association Information, which leads to page with Q&A regarding why they are proposing a manned gate for the community. I’m not going to post the content here, but its not pretty.

[sd-maybe]

http://www.greerranch.org/

On the left hand side click the link about the Association Information, which leads to page with Q&A regarding why they are proposing a manned gate for the community. I’m not going to post the content here, but its not pretty.

[sd-maybe]

http://www.greerranch.org/

On the left hand side click the link about the Association Information, which leads to page with Q&A regarding why they are proposing a manned gate for the community. I’m not going to post the content here, but its not pretty.

[sd-maybe]

http://www.greerranch.org/

On the left hand side click the link about the Association Information, which leads to page with Q&A regarding why they are proposing a manned gate for the community. I’m not going to post the content here, but its not pretty.

[sd-maybe]

http://www.greerranch.org/

On the left hand side click the link about the Association Information, which leads to page with Q&A regarding why they are proposing a manned gate for the community. I’m not going to post the content here, but its not pretty.

[Coronita]

Well, I'll post the contents then 🙂

 

MANNED GATE PROPOSAL FOR GREER RANCH
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Revised 3/17/2008
1. Why do we need manned guarded gates in Greer Ranch? Have we had any incidents in or around Greer Ranch in which residents should be concerned?

Yes, recently there was a person who entered the community and stabbed his estranged wife who was living there with her relatives. Additionally, there was a black truck seen in Greer Ranch on two occasions, one on Halloween night about a year ago, attempting to stop and talk to young girls in such a way that it scared them. Within the same time period there was an attempted abduction at Antelope
Elementary School just across Clinton-Keith from our development. There was also a report by the roving guard concerning what he thought may have been a black Cadillac parked close to the Artisan homes with two men selling drugs. A few months ago someone’s car was stolen from their garage. Just within the past month there was an intoxicated non-resident driving in Greer at a very high speed who had a car accident and did major damage to our fence on Crabapple. He
certainly could have hit one of our residents. There was another incident within the past few days of an old Cadillac with four men in it driving slowly down several streets, at first with lights on, and later with them off. Fortunately, a resident noticed this and called the police. Most of these offenders would either have been prevented from entering our community or caught when trying to exit.

 

2. Why not just close the gates? Why do we need manned guarded gates?
Closing the gates would certainly be better than leaving them open as they
currently are during the day. However, just closing the gates doesn’t provide
much additional help with unauthorized traffic entering our community. It does
address unauthorized vehicles following residents through the gate – when the
gate is closed – assuming we put in an additional arm so only one resident can
enter the association at a time. However, there are still many problems with this
approach. First, we can’t close the gates during the day yet. The builders per the
CC&Rs have the right to leave the gates open until they leave – which could be
more than a year from now.
Additionally, since there’s no one there to monitor the gates, some people will
just break the arm and the gate and enter anyway. We’ve already had several
incidences of people breaking the gate and entering.
Also, with unmanned gates you would still need to give a guest pass code to your
cleaning service, your gardener, your contractor, UPS, all who come when you’re
at work. This gives them the ability to come through the gate any time they want.
Worse — what happens when you change service providers? Then even more
people have pass codes to enter Greer Ranch. Multiply this by almost 700 homes,
and you have a lot of unauthorized access. This is on top of the lack of
unauthorized access we have until the builders are finished building – which
would also be addressed with manned gates.

3. What is the proposal?
Build guard villas on the island at the Greer Rd and Nutmeg entrances.
Additionally install an extra arm at these two gates so only one car can enter at a
time. This will eliminate cars following residents in before the gate closes. As
soon as the arm goes up and lets one car through, it closes and the main gate
opens. Additionally, to facilitate traffic flow homeowners will have a separate
lane (the current guest lane) and the guests will use the current resident lane.
Also the Evandel gate will be an exit only gate. There will be noise-resistant tiger
teeth installed at the exit gate to prevent cars from entering the exit gate before it
closes.
One of gates with a guard villa will be manned 24 hours per day. The second gate
with the guard villa will be manned 8 hours per day – during the peak traffic
times.
Video technology will be installed to monitor drivers and license plates so we
know all cars that enter at all times of the day. Thus, if a crime occurs and we
know the approximate time, we can narrow down the suspects.
Video technology will also enable the 24-hour manned guarded gate to check a
visitor’s driver’s license ID remotely against the visitor list just as if he were in
front of the individual. He can talk to the visitor remotely and open the gate if the
visitor is authorized.
To help ensure only authorized guests enter our community, residents will contact
the guard villa and provide a guest list that includes their guest’s name and date
expected. The guard will validate the guest’s identity against their driver’s license
and provide a guest pass with expiration date. This way when residents move or
change gardeners or other service providers, these guests will no longer be able to
use old guest pass codes and enter the Association. The roving guard will
address guests on premises whose guest pass has expired.
We will also be implementing resident car stickers before the manned gates are
implemented. This will allow the roving guard to note immediately unauthorized
vehicles within our community.

 ———————-
Project Assumptions:

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, FLU!

I had no idea. I’ve driven around random parts of Murrieta (mostly just east of the 15) and it looks a little

rough

…kind of like the suburban ‘hood.

Maybe the woman I spoke with is living in denial. Wonder why she talk up the place so much….maybe she was hoping I’d buy HER house! (I dont think it’s for sale – that was a joke).

[Coronita]

Translation of the proposal:

"In an effort to minimize you getting stabbed, carjacked, shot, pimped, doped, kidnapped, hit with unknown DUIs, robbed, burglarized, vandalized, we decided to hire a rent-a-cop to report such incidence to police as they happen, because most likely he won't be carrying a gun to handle any real situation. BUT, we decided to give him internet access in the man-booth so he can spend most of his time surfing porn while he should be watching the monitors. BTW, your cost will be $26/household/month (for now…and don't count on it staying this low). Pay up, especially if you're trying to sell your home and don't want your property value to fall even lower than what it currently is."

 

I'm not an expert about Murrieta, but I would say this probably isn't representative of the entire area.

 

 

 

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—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Anonymous]

If all of this is happening up in Greer, it makes you wonder what happens on a weekly basis on a typical Temecula/Murietta street.

[dharmagirl]

Is anyone else concerned that as prices tumble, the Temecula tract neighborhoods will become vulnerable to this type of thing?

Our Redhawk neighborhood has already had several major thefts, and some of the renters who have moved in recently do not exactly inspire confidence…they are definitely troublemakers – look like the kind of guys who are operating a dog fighting ring or something….not good neighbors and do NOT play well with others.

[Coronita]

Well, frankly I don't know Murrieta to comment. BUT, it's for this reason why I thought (and still think) buying in Otay Mesa is an equally bad idea for the same reason.

Whenever something else is "out of place" with the surrounding neighborhood, it just seems like it would have a target painted on it, unless you have a serious police force to do serious patrolling. In the Bay Area, this is particularly effective in dealing with the East PaloAlto and Palo Alto, Mountain View thing. Once upon a time, crime that typically was confined to east palo alto started to increase in surrounding areas like PA, MV, Sunnyvale.. Then the police from those jurisdiction started to band together and started doing some hard core crackdown, the sort of "you mess with our city, we're gonna get you and you'll regret it". It seemed to have worked. While E. Palo Alto might have one the highest crime rates in CA, the rest of the surrounding is pretty safe (or at least I feel it's pretty safe).

The problem with some of these new higher-end "ranches" like Otay Mesa for example, is that they really should have been placed as a city with it's own full size police force. You might not like the copper that writes you a ticket here and there, but if that's all a copper needs to do in a city because he/she is bored, that's a good thing imho.

 

[hipmatt]

In my opinion, your friend who brags about living in Greer Ranch would be typical of a resident in that neighborhood. Greer Ranch is an overpriced, high tax and high HOA community in Murrieta, that is actually closer to Wildomar and Menifee than anything else. I personally don’t see the attraction to that area or the location. The area is built up on a hill, so there are some nice homes with some nice views to be had up there. HOA’s are $173.. ouch. Taxes are a solid 2%.

That area was built from about 2002 to about 2005 and during that time, it managed to justify the high pricing, taxation, and HOA despite its mediocre location and relatively far distance to any of the major amenities that Temecula has to offer. There was an arrogance about that place that I never bought into. Sure the homes were nice, but you are living on the verge of southern Menifee and just on the other side of the hill is the armpit and drugzone known as quail valley.

I don’t see how you would choose this location over something similar or even cheaper in Temecula, which is centrally located, has much more to offer, and IMHO is safer.

I haven’t been up there much, but from what I’ve seen, you will find quite a few of the BMW / Escalade driving type of yuppies. A while ago, there were a few pro motocrossers that lived up there and had their homes featured on MTV Cribs. So for all you piggies who judge a neighborhood by how many lifted trucks there are…..

[Anonymous]

Looked at Greer 5 years ago, and while it had a nice get away from it all feel, it was just too far from the amentities of Temecula and a longer drive to San Diego…

[Anonymous]

Looked at Greer 5 years ago, and while it had a nice get away from it all feel, it was just too far from the amentities of Temecula and a longer drive to San Diego…

[Anonymous]

Looked at Greer 5 years ago, and while it had a nice get away from it all feel, it was just too far from the amentities of Temecula and a longer drive to San Diego…

[Anonymous]

Looked at Greer 5 years ago, and while it had a nice get away from it all feel, it was just too far from the amentities of Temecula and a longer drive to San Diego…

[Anonymous]

Looked at Greer 5 years ago, and while it had a nice get away from it all feel, it was just too far from the amentities of Temecula and a longer drive to San Diego…

[hipmatt]

In my opinion, your friend who brags about living in Greer Ranch would be typical of a resident in that neighborhood. Greer Ranch is an overpriced, high tax and high HOA community in Murrieta, that is actually closer to Wildomar and Menifee than anything else. I personally don’t see the attraction to that area or the location. The area is built up on a hill, so there are some nice homes with some nice views to be had up there. HOA’s are $173.. ouch. Taxes are a solid 2%.

That area was built from about 2002 to about 2005 and during that time, it managed to justify the high pricing, taxation, and HOA despite its mediocre location and relatively far distance to any of the major amenities that Temecula has to offer. There was an arrogance about that place that I never bought into. Sure the homes were nice, but you are living on the verge of southern Menifee and just on the other side of the hill is the armpit and drugzone known as quail valley.

I don’t see how you would choose this location over something similar or even cheaper in Temecula, which is centrally located, has much more to offer, and IMHO is safer.

I haven’t been up there much, but from what I’ve seen, you will find quite a few of the BMW / Escalade driving type of yuppies. A while ago, there were a few pro motocrossers that lived up there and had their homes featured on MTV Cribs. So for all you piggies who judge a neighborhood by how many lifted trucks there are…..

[hipmatt]

In my opinion, your friend who brags about living in Greer Ranch would be typical of a resident in that neighborhood. Greer Ranch is an overpriced, high tax and high HOA community in Murrieta, that is actually closer to Wildomar and Menifee than anything else. I personally don’t see the attraction to that area or the location. The area is built up on a hill, so there are some nice homes with some nice views to be had up there. HOA’s are $173.. ouch. Taxes are a solid 2%.

That area was built from about 2002 to about 2005 and during that time, it managed to justify the high pricing, taxation, and HOA despite its mediocre location and relatively far distance to any of the major amenities that Temecula has to offer. There was an arrogance about that place that I never bought into. Sure the homes were nice, but you are living on the verge of southern Menifee and just on the other side of the hill is the armpit and drugzone known as quail valley.

I don’t see how you would choose this location over something similar or even cheaper in Temecula, which is centrally located, has much more to offer, and IMHO is safer.

I haven’t been up there much, but from what I’ve seen, you will find quite a few of the BMW / Escalade driving type of yuppies. A while ago, there were a few pro motocrossers that lived up there and had their homes featured on MTV Cribs. So for all you piggies who judge a neighborhood by how many lifted trucks there are…..

[hipmatt]

In my opinion, your friend who brags about living in Greer Ranch would be typical of a resident in that neighborhood. Greer Ranch is an overpriced, high tax and high HOA community in Murrieta, that is actually closer to Wildomar and Menifee than anything else. I personally don’t see the attraction to that area or the location. The area is built up on a hill, so there are some nice homes with some nice views to be had up there. HOA’s are $173.. ouch. Taxes are a solid 2%.

That area was built from about 2002 to about 2005 and during that time, it managed to justify the high pricing, taxation, and HOA despite its mediocre location and relatively far distance to any of the major amenities that Temecula has to offer. There was an arrogance about that place that I never bought into. Sure the homes were nice, but you are living on the verge of southern Menifee and just on the other side of the hill is the armpit and drugzone known as quail valley.

I don’t see how you would choose this location over something similar or even cheaper in Temecula, which is centrally located, has much more to offer, and IMHO is safer.

I haven’t been up there much, but from what I’ve seen, you will find quite a few of the BMW / Escalade driving type of yuppies. A while ago, there were a few pro motocrossers that lived up there and had their homes featured on MTV Cribs. So for all you piggies who judge a neighborhood by how many lifted trucks there are…..

[hipmatt]

In my opinion, your friend who brags about living in Greer Ranch would be typical of a resident in that neighborhood. Greer Ranch is an overpriced, high tax and high HOA community in Murrieta, that is actually closer to Wildomar and Menifee than anything else. I personally don’t see the attraction to that area or the location. The area is built up on a hill, so there are some nice homes with some nice views to be had up there. HOA’s are $173.. ouch. Taxes are a solid 2%.

That area was built from about 2002 to about 2005 and during that time, it managed to justify the high pricing, taxation, and HOA despite its mediocre location and relatively far distance to any of the major amenities that Temecula has to offer. There was an arrogance about that place that I never bought into. Sure the homes were nice, but you are living on the verge of southern Menifee and just on the other side of the hill is the armpit and drugzone known as quail valley.

I don’t see how you would choose this location over something similar or even cheaper in Temecula, which is centrally located, has much more to offer, and IMHO is safer.

I haven’t been up there much, but from what I’ve seen, you will find quite a few of the BMW / Escalade driving type of yuppies. A while ago, there were a few pro motocrossers that lived up there and had their homes featured on MTV Cribs. So for all you piggies who judge a neighborhood by how many lifted trucks there are…..

[Coronita]

Well, frankly I don't know Murrieta to comment. BUT, it's for this reason why I thought (and still think) buying in Otay Mesa is an equally bad idea for the same reason.

Whenever something else is "out of place" with the surrounding neighborhood, it just seems like it would have a target painted on it, unless you have a serious police force to do serious patrolling. In the Bay Area, this is particularly effective in dealing with the East PaloAlto and Palo Alto, Mountain View thing. Once upon a time, crime that typically was confined to east palo alto started to increase in surrounding areas like PA, MV, Sunnyvale.. Then the police from those jurisdiction started to band together and started doing some hard core crackdown, the sort of "you mess with our city, we're gonna get you and you'll regret it". It seemed to have worked. While E. Palo Alto might have one the highest crime rates in CA, the rest of the surrounding is pretty safe (or at least I feel it's pretty safe).

The problem with some of these new higher-end "ranches" like Otay Mesa for example, is that they really should have been placed as a city with it's own full size police force. You might not like the copper that writes you a ticket here and there, but if that's all a copper needs to do in a city because he/she is bored, that's a good thing imho.

 

[Coronita]

Well, frankly I don't know Murrieta to comment. BUT, it's for this reason why I thought (and still think) buying in Otay Mesa is an equally bad idea for the same reason.

Whenever something else is "out of place" with the surrounding neighborhood, it just seems like it would have a target painted on it, unless you have a serious police force to do serious patrolling. In the Bay Area, this is particularly effective in dealing with the East PaloAlto and Palo Alto, Mountain View thing. Once upon a time, crime that typically was confined to east palo alto started to increase in surrounding areas like PA, MV, Sunnyvale.. Then the police from those jurisdiction started to band together and started doing some hard core crackdown, the sort of "you mess with our city, we're gonna get you and you'll regret it". It seemed to have worked. While E. Palo Alto might have one the highest crime rates in CA, the rest of the surrounding is pretty safe (or at least I feel it's pretty safe).

The problem with some of these new higher-end "ranches" like Otay Mesa for example, is that they really should have been placed as a city with it's own full size police force. You might not like the copper that writes you a ticket here and there, but if that's all a copper needs to do in a city because he/she is bored, that's a good thing imho.

 

[Coronita]

Well, frankly I don't know Murrieta to comment. BUT, it's for this reason why I thought (and still think) buying in Otay Mesa is an equally bad idea for the same reason.

Whenever something else is "out of place" with the surrounding neighborhood, it just seems like it would have a target painted on it, unless you have a serious police force to do serious patrolling. In the Bay Area, this is particularly effective in dealing with the East PaloAlto and Palo Alto, Mountain View thing. Once upon a time, crime that typically was confined to east palo alto started to increase in surrounding areas like PA, MV, Sunnyvale.. Then the police from those jurisdiction started to band together and started doing some hard core crackdown, the sort of "you mess with our city, we're gonna get you and you'll regret it". It seemed to have worked. While E. Palo Alto might have one the highest crime rates in CA, the rest of the surrounding is pretty safe (or at least I feel it's pretty safe).

The problem with some of these new higher-end "ranches" like Otay Mesa for example, is that they really should have been placed as a city with it's own full size police force. You might not like the copper that writes you a ticket here and there, but if that's all a copper needs to do in a city because he/she is bored, that's a good thing imho.

 

[Coronita]

Well, frankly I don't know Murrieta to comment. BUT, it's for this reason why I thought (and still think) buying in Otay Mesa is an equally bad idea for the same reason.

Whenever something else is "out of place" with the surrounding neighborhood, it just seems like it would have a target painted on it, unless you have a serious police force to do serious patrolling. In the Bay Area, this is particularly effective in dealing with the East PaloAlto and Palo Alto, Mountain View thing. Once upon a time, crime that typically was confined to east palo alto started to increase in surrounding areas like PA, MV, Sunnyvale.. Then the police from those jurisdiction started to band together and started doing some hard core crackdown, the sort of "you mess with our city, we're gonna get you and you'll regret it". It seemed to have worked. While E. Palo Alto might have one the highest crime rates in CA, the rest of the surrounding is pretty safe (or at least I feel it's pretty safe).

The problem with some of these new higher-end "ranches" like Otay Mesa for example, is that they really should have been placed as a city with it's own full size police force. You might not like the copper that writes you a ticket here and there, but if that's all a copper needs to do in a city because he/she is bored, that's a good thing imho.

 

[dharmagirl]

Is anyone else concerned that as prices tumble, the Temecula tract neighborhoods will become vulnerable to this type of thing?

Our Redhawk neighborhood has already had several major thefts, and some of the renters who have moved in recently do not exactly inspire confidence…they are definitely troublemakers – look like the kind of guys who are operating a dog fighting ring or something….not good neighbors and do NOT play well with others.

[dharmagirl]

Is anyone else concerned that as prices tumble, the Temecula tract neighborhoods will become vulnerable to this type of thing?

Our Redhawk neighborhood has already had several major thefts, and some of the renters who have moved in recently do not exactly inspire confidence…they are definitely troublemakers – look like the kind of guys who are operating a dog fighting ring or something….not good neighbors and do NOT play well with others.

[dharmagirl]

Is anyone else concerned that as prices tumble, the Temecula tract neighborhoods will become vulnerable to this type of thing?

Our Redhawk neighborhood has already had several major thefts, and some of the renters who have moved in recently do not exactly inspire confidence…they are definitely troublemakers – look like the kind of guys who are operating a dog fighting ring or something….not good neighbors and do NOT play well with others.

[dharmagirl]

Is anyone else concerned that as prices tumble, the Temecula tract neighborhoods will become vulnerable to this type of thing?

Our Redhawk neighborhood has already had several major thefts, and some of the renters who have moved in recently do not exactly inspire confidence…they are definitely troublemakers – look like the kind of guys who are operating a dog fighting ring or something….not good neighbors and do NOT play well with others.

[Anonymous]

If all of this is happening up in Greer, it makes you wonder what happens on a weekly basis on a typical Temecula/Murietta street.

[Anonymous]

If all of this is happening up in Greer, it makes you wonder what happens on a weekly basis on a typical Temecula/Murietta street.

[Anonymous]

If all of this is happening up in Greer, it makes you wonder what happens on a weekly basis on a typical Temecula/Murietta street.

[Anonymous]

If all of this is happening up in Greer, it makes you wonder what happens on a weekly basis on a typical Temecula/Murietta street.

[Coronita]

Translation of the proposal:

"In an effort to minimize you getting stabbed, carjacked, shot, pimped, doped, kidnapped, hit with unknown DUIs, robbed, burglarized, vandalized, we decided to hire a rent-a-cop to report such incidence to police as they happen, because most likely he won't be carrying a gun to handle any real situation. BUT, we decided to give him internet access in the man-booth so he can spend most of his time surfing porn while he should be watching the monitors. BTW, your cost will be $26/household/month (for now…and don't count on it staying this low). Pay up, especially if you're trying to sell your home and don't want your property value to fall even lower than what it currently is."

 

I'm not an expert about Murrieta, but I would say this probably isn't representative of the entire area.

 

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Translation of the proposal:

"In an effort to minimize you getting stabbed, carjacked, shot, pimped, doped, kidnapped, hit with unknown DUIs, robbed, burglarized, vandalized, we decided to hire a rent-a-cop to report such incidence to police as they happen, because most likely he won't be carrying a gun to handle any real situation. BUT, we decided to give him internet access in the man-booth so he can spend most of his time surfing porn while he should be watching the monitors. BTW, your cost will be $26/household/month (for now…and don't count on it staying this low). Pay up, especially if you're trying to sell your home and don't want your property value to fall even lower than what it currently is."

 

I'm not an expert about Murrieta, but I would say this probably isn't representative of the entire area.

 

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Translation of the proposal:

"In an effort to minimize you getting stabbed, carjacked, shot, pimped, doped, kidnapped, hit with unknown DUIs, robbed, burglarized, vandalized, we decided to hire a rent-a-cop to report such incidence to police as they happen, because most likely he won't be carrying a gun to handle any real situation. BUT, we decided to give him internet access in the man-booth so he can spend most of his time surfing porn while he should be watching the monitors. BTW, your cost will be $26/household/month (for now…and don't count on it staying this low). Pay up, especially if you're trying to sell your home and don't want your property value to fall even lower than what it currently is."

 

I'm not an expert about Murrieta, but I would say this probably isn't representative of the entire area.

 

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[Coronita]

Translation of the proposal:

"In an effort to minimize you getting stabbed, carjacked, shot, pimped, doped, kidnapped, hit with unknown DUIs, robbed, burglarized, vandalized, we decided to hire a rent-a-cop to report such incidence to police as they happen, because most likely he won't be carrying a gun to handle any real situation. BUT, we decided to give him internet access in the man-booth so he can spend most of his time surfing porn while he should be watching the monitors. BTW, your cost will be $26/household/month (for now…and don't count on it staying this low). Pay up, especially if you're trying to sell your home and don't want your property value to fall even lower than what it currently is."

 

I'm not an expert about Murrieta, but I would say this probably isn't representative of the entire area.

 

 

 

[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]

—– Sour grapes for everyone!

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, FLU!

I had no idea. I’ve driven around random parts of Murrieta (mostly just east of the 15) and it looks a little

rough

…kind of like the suburban ‘hood.

Maybe the woman I spoke with is living in denial. Wonder why she talk up the place so much….maybe she was hoping I’d buy HER house! (I dont think it’s for sale – that was a joke).

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, FLU!

I had no idea. I’ve driven around random parts of Murrieta (mostly just east of the 15) and it looks a little

rough

…kind of like the suburban ‘hood.

Maybe the woman I spoke with is living in denial. Wonder why she talk up the place so much….maybe she was hoping I’d buy HER house! (I dont think it’s for sale – that was a joke).

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, FLU!

I had no idea. I’ve driven around random parts of Murrieta (mostly just east of the 15) and it looks a little

rough

…kind of like the suburban ‘hood.

Maybe the woman I spoke with is living in denial. Wonder why she talk up the place so much….maybe she was hoping I’d buy HER house! (I dont think it’s for sale – that was a joke).

[dharmagirl]

Thanks, FLU!

I had no idea. I’ve driven around random parts of Murrieta (mostly just east of the 15) and it looks a little

rough

…kind of like the suburban ‘hood.

Maybe the woman I spoke with is living in denial. Wonder why she talk up the place so much….maybe she was hoping I’d buy HER house! (I dont think it’s for sale – that was a joke).

[Coronita]

Well, I'll post the contents then 🙂

 

MANNED GATE PROPOSAL FOR GREER RANCH
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Revised 3/17/2008
1. Why do we need manned guarded gates in Greer Ranch? Have we had any incidents in or around Greer Ranch in which residents should be concerned?

Yes, recently there was a person who entered the community and stabbed his estranged wife who was living there with her relatives. Additionally, there was a black truck seen in Greer Ranch on two occasions, one on Halloween night about a year ago, attempting to stop and talk to young girls in such a way that it scared them. Within the same time period there was an attempted abduction at Antelope
Elementary School just across Clinton-Keith from our development. There was also a report by the roving guard concerning what he thought may have been a black Cadillac parked close to the Artisan homes with two men selling drugs. A few months ago someone’s car was stolen from their garage. Just within the past month there was an intoxicated non-resident driving in Greer at a very high speed who had a car accident and did major damage to our fence on Crabapple. He
certainly could have hit one of our residents. There was another incident within the past few days of an old Cadillac with four men in it driving slowly down several streets, at first with lights on, and later with them off. Fortunately, a resident noticed this and called the police. Most of these offenders would either have been prevented from entering our community or caught when trying to exit.

 

2. Why not just close the gates? Why do we need manned guarded gates?
Closing the gates would certainly be better than leaving them open as they
currently are during the day. However, just closing the gates doesn’t provide
much additional help with unauthorized traffic entering our community. It does
address unauthorized vehicles following residents through the gate – when the
gate is closed – assuming we put in an additional arm so only one resident can
enter the association at a time. However, there are still many problems with this
approach. First, we can’t close the gates during the day yet. The builders per the
CC&Rs have the right to leave the gates open until they leave – which could be
more than a year from now.
Additionally, since there’s no one there to monitor the gates, some people will
just break the arm and the gate and enter anyway. We’ve already had several
incidences of people breaking the gate and entering.
Also, with unmanned gates you would still need to give a guest pass code to your
cleaning service, your gardener, your contractor, UPS, all who come when you’re
at work. This gives them the ability to come through the gate any time they want.
Worse — what happens when you change service providers? Then even more
people have pass codes to enter Greer Ranch. Multiply this by almost 700 homes,
and you have a lot of unauthorized access. This is on top of the lack of
unauthorized access we have until the builders are finished building – which
would also be addressed with manned gates.

3. What is the proposal?
Build guard villas on the island at the Greer Rd and Nutmeg entrances.
Additionally install an extra arm at these two gates so only one car can enter at a
time. This will eliminate cars following residents in before the gate closes. As
soon as the arm goes up and lets one car through, it closes and the main gate
opens. Additionally, to facilitate traffic flow homeowners will have a separate
lane (the current guest lane) and the guests will use the current resident lane.
Also the Evandel gate will be an exit only gate. There will be noise-resistant tiger
teeth installed at the exit gate to prevent cars from entering the exit gate before it
closes.
One of gates with a guard villa will be manned 24 hours per day. The second gate
with the guard villa will be manned 8 hours per day – during the peak traffic
times.
Video technology will be installed to monitor drivers and license plates so we
know all cars that enter at all times of the day. Thus, if a crime occurs and we
know the approximate time, we can narrow down the suspects.
Video technology will also enable the 24-hour manned guarded gate to check a
visitor’s driver’s license ID remotely against the visitor list just as if he were in
front of the individual. He can talk to the visitor remotely and open the gate if the
visitor is authorized.
To help ensure only authorized guests enter our community, residents will contact
the guard villa and provide a guest list that includes their guest’s name and date
expected. The guard will validate the guest’s identity against their driver’s license
and provide a guest pass with expiration date. This way when residents move or
change gardeners or other service providers, these guests will no longer be able to
use old guest pass codes and enter the Association. The roving guard will
address guests on premises whose guest pass has expired.
We will also be implementing resident car stickers before the manned gates are
implemented. This will allow the roving guard to note immediately unauthorized
vehicles within our community.

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Project Assumptions:

[Coronita]

Well, I'll post the contents then 🙂

 

MANNED GATE PROPOSAL FOR GREER RANCH
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Revised 3/17/2008
1. Why do we need manned guarded gates in Greer Ranch? Have we had any incidents in or around Greer Ranch in which residents should be concerned?

Yes, recently there was a person who entered the community and stabbed his estranged wife who was living there with her relatives. Additionally, there was a black truck seen in Greer Ranch on two occasions, one on Halloween night about a year ago, attempting to stop and talk to young girls in such a way that it scared them. Within the same time period there was an attempted abduction at Antelope
Elementary School just across Clinton-Keith from our development. There was also a report by the roving guard concerning what he thought may have been a black Cadillac parked close to the Artisan homes with two men selling drugs. A few months ago someone’s car was stolen from their garage. Just within the past month there was an intoxicated non-resident driving in Greer at a very high speed who had a car accident and did major damage to our fence on Crabapple. He
certainly could have hit one of our residents. There was another incident within the past few days of an old Cadillac with four men in it driving slowly down several streets, at first with lights on, and later with them off. Fortunately, a resident noticed this and called the police. Most of these offenders would either have been prevented from entering our community or caught when trying to exit.

 

2. Why not just close the gates? Why do we need manned guarded gates?
Closing the gates would certainly be better than leaving them open as they
currently are during the day. However, just closing the gates doesn’t provide
much additional help with unauthorized traffic entering our community. It does
address unauthorized vehicles following residents through the gate – when the
gate is closed – assuming we put in an additional arm so only one resident can
enter the association at a time. However, there are still many problems with this
approach. First, we can’t close the gates during the day yet. The builders per the
CC&Rs have the right to leave the gates open until they leave – which could be
more than a year from now.
Additionally, since there’s no one there to monitor the gates, some people will
just break the arm and the gate and enter anyway. We’ve already had several
incidences of people breaking the gate and entering.
Also, with unmanned gates you would still need to give a guest pass code to your
cleaning service, your gardener, your contractor, UPS, all who come when you’re
at work. This gives them the ability to come through the gate any time they want.
Worse — what happens when you change service providers? Then even more
people have pass codes to enter Greer Ranch. Multiply this by almost 700 homes,
and you have a lot of unauthorized access. This is on top of the lack of
unauthorized access we have until the builders are finished building – which
would also be addressed with manned gates.

3. What is the proposal?
Build guard villas on the island at the Greer Rd and Nutmeg entrances.
Additionally install an extra arm at these two gates so only one car can enter at a
time. This will eliminate cars following residents in before the gate closes. As
soon as the arm goes up and lets one car through, it closes and the main gate
opens. Additionally, to facilitate traffic flow homeowners will have a separate
lane (the current guest lane) and the guests will use the current resident lane.
Also the Evandel gate will be an exit only gate. There will be noise-resistant tiger
teeth installed at the exit gate to prevent cars from entering the exit gate before it
closes.
One of gates with a guard villa will be manned 24 hours per day. The second gate
with the guard villa will be manned 8 hours per day – during the peak traffic
times.
Video technology will be installed to monitor drivers and license plates so we
know all cars that enter at all times of the day. Thus, if a crime occurs and we
know the approximate time, we can narrow down the suspects.
Video technology will also enable the 24-hour manned guarded gate to check a
visitor’s driver’s license ID remotely against the visitor list just as if he were in
front of the individual. He can talk to the visitor remotely and open the gate if the
visitor is authorized.
To help ensure only authorized guests enter our community, residents will contact
the guard villa and provide a guest list that includes their guest’s name and date
expected. The guard will validate the guest’s identity against their driver’s license
and provide a guest pass with expiration date. This way when residents move or
change gardeners or other service providers, these guests will no longer be able to
use old guest pass codes and enter the Association. The roving guard will
address guests on premises whose guest pass has expired.
We will also be implementing resident car stickers before the manned gates are
implemented. This will allow the roving guard to note immediately unauthorized
vehicles within our community.

 ———————-
Project Assumptions:

[Coronita]

Well, I'll post the contents then 🙂

 

MANNED GATE PROPOSAL FOR GREER RANCH
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Revised 3/17/2008
1. Why do we need manned guarded gates in Greer Ranch? Have we had any incidents in or around Greer Ranch in which residents should be concerned?

Yes, recently there was a person who entered the community and stabbed his estranged wife who was living there with her relatives. Additionally, there was a black truck seen in Greer Ranch on two occasions, one on Halloween night about a year ago, attempting to stop and talk to young girls in such a way that it scared them. Within the same time period there was an attempted abduction at Antelope
Elementary School just across Clinton-Keith from our development. There was also a report by the roving guard concerning what he thought may have been a black Cadillac parked close to the Artisan homes with two men selling drugs. A few months ago someone’s car was stolen from their garage. Just within the past month there was an intoxicated non-resident driving in Greer at a very high speed who had a car accident and did major damage to our fence on Crabapple. He
certainly could have hit one of our residents. There was another incident within the past few days of an old Cadillac with four men in it driving slowly down several streets, at first with lights on, and later with them off. Fortunately, a resident noticed this and called the police. Most of these offenders would either have been prevented from entering our community or caught when trying to exit.

 

2. Why not just close the gates? Why do we need manned guarded gates?
Closing the gates would certainly be better than leaving them open as they
currently are during the day. However, just closing the gates doesn’t provide
much additional help with unauthorized traffic entering our community. It does
address unauthorized vehicles following residents through the gate – when the
gate is closed – assuming we put in an additional arm so only one resident can
enter the association at a time. However, there are still many problems with this
approach. First, we can’t close the gates during the day yet. The builders per the
CC&Rs have the right to leave the gates open until they leave – which could be
more than a year from now.
Additionally, since there’s no one there to monitor the gates, some people will
just break the arm and the gate and enter anyway. We’ve already had several
incidences of people breaking the gate and entering.
Also, with unmanned gates you would still need to give a guest pass code to your
cleaning service, your gardener, your contractor, UPS, all who come when you’re
at work. This gives them the ability to come through the gate any time they want.
Worse — what happens when you change service providers? Then even more
people have pass codes to enter Greer Ranch. Multiply this by almost 700 homes,
and you have a lot of unauthorized access. This is on top of the lack of
unauthorized access we have until the builders are finished building – which
would also be addressed with manned gates.

3. What is the proposal?
Build guard villas on the island at the Greer Rd and Nutmeg entrances.
Additionally install an extra arm at these two gates so only one car can enter at a
time. This will eliminate cars following residents in before the gate closes. As
soon as the arm goes up and lets one car through, it closes and the main gate
opens. Additionally, to facilitate traffic flow homeowners will have a separate
lane (the current guest lane) and the guests will use the current resident lane.
Also the Evandel gate will be an exit only gate. There will be noise-resistant tiger
teeth installed at the exit gate to prevent cars from entering the exit gate before it
closes.
One of gates with a guard villa will be manned 24 hours per day. The second gate
with the guard villa will be manned 8 hours per day – during the peak traffic
times.
Video technology will be installed to monitor drivers and license plates so we
know all cars that enter at all times of the day. Thus, if a crime occurs and we
know the approximate time, we can narrow down the suspects.
Video technology will also enable the 24-hour manned guarded gate to check a
visitor’s driver’s license ID remotely against the visitor list just as if he were in
front of the individual. He can talk to the visitor remotely and open the gate if the
visitor is authorized.
To help ensure only authorized guests enter our community, residents will contact
the guard villa and provide a guest list that includes their guest’s name and date
expected. The guard will validate the guest’s identity against their driver’s license
and provide a guest pass with expiration date. This way when residents move or
change gardeners or other service providers, these guests will no longer be able to
use old guest pass codes and enter the Association. The roving guard will
address guests on premises whose guest pass has expired.
We will also be implementing resident car stickers before the manned gates are
implemented. This will allow the roving guard to note immediately unauthorized
vehicles within our community.

 ———————-
Project Assumptions:

[Coronita]

Well, I'll post the contents then 🙂

 

MANNED GATE PROPOSAL FOR GREER RANCH
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Revised 3/17/2008
1. Why do we need manned guarded gates in Greer Ranch? Have we had any incidents in or around Greer Ranch in which residents should be concerned?

Yes, recently there was a person who entered the community and stabbed his estranged wife who was living there with her relatives. Additionally, there was a black truck seen in Greer Ranch on two occasions, one on Halloween night about a year ago, attempting to stop and talk to young girls in such a way that it scared them. Within the same time period there was an attempted abduction at Antelope
Elementary School just across Clinton-Keith from our development. There was also a report by the roving guard concerning what he thought may have been a black Cadillac parked close to the Artisan homes with two men selling drugs. A few months ago someone’s car was stolen from their garage. Just within the past month there was an intoxicated non-resident driving in Greer at a very high speed who had a car accident and did major damage to our fence on Crabapple. He
certainly could have hit one of our residents. There was another incident within the past few days of an old Cadillac with four men in it driving slowly down several streets, at first with lights on, and later with them off. Fortunately, a resident noticed this and called the police. Most of these offenders would either have been prevented from entering our community or caught when trying to exit.

 

2. Why not just close the gates? Why do we need manned guarded gates?
Closing the gates would certainly be better than leaving them open as they
currently are during the day. However, just closing the gates doesn’t provide
much additional help with unauthorized traffic entering our community. It does
address unauthorized vehicles following residents through the gate – when the
gate is closed – assuming we put in an additional arm so only one resident can
enter the association at a time. However, there are still many problems with this
approach. First, we can’t close the gates during the day yet. The builders per the
CC&Rs have the right to leave the gates open until they leave – which could be
more than a year from now.
Additionally, since there’s no one there to monitor the gates, some people will
just break the arm and the gate and enter anyway. We’ve already had several
incidences of people breaking the gate and entering.
Also, with unmanned gates you would still need to give a guest pass code to your
cleaning service, your gardener, your contractor, UPS, all who come when you’re
at work. This gives them the ability to come through the gate any time they want.
Worse — what happens when you change service providers? Then even more
people have pass codes to enter Greer Ranch. Multiply this by almost 700 homes,
and you have a lot of unauthorized access. This is on top of the lack of
unauthorized access we have until the builders are finished building – which
would also be addressed with manned gates.

3. What is the proposal?
Build guard villas on the island at the Greer Rd and Nutmeg entrances.
Additionally install an extra arm at these two gates so only one car can enter at a
time. This will eliminate cars following residents in before the gate closes. As
soon as the arm goes up and lets one car through, it closes and the main gate
opens. Additionally, to facilitate traffic flow homeowners will have a separate
lane (the current guest lane) and the guests will use the current resident lane.
Also the Evandel gate will be an exit only gate. There will be noise-resistant tiger
teeth installed at the exit gate to prevent cars from entering the exit gate before it
closes.
One of gates with a guard villa will be manned 24 hours per day. The second gate
with the guard villa will be manned 8 hours per day – during the peak traffic
times.
Video technology will be installed to monitor drivers and license plates so we
know all cars that enter at all times of the day. Thus, if a crime occurs and we
know the approximate time, we can narrow down the suspects.
Video technology will also enable the 24-hour manned guarded gate to check a
visitor’s driver’s license ID remotely against the visitor list just as if he were in
front of the individual. He can talk to the visitor remotely and open the gate if the
visitor is authorized.
To help ensure only authorized guests enter our community, residents will contact
the guard villa and provide a guest list that includes their guest’s name and date
expected. The guard will validate the guest’s identity against their driver’s license
and provide a guest pass with expiration date. This way when residents move or
change gardeners or other service providers, these guests will no longer be able to
use old guest pass codes and enter the Association. The roving guard will
address guests on premises whose guest pass has expired.
We will also be implementing resident car stickers before the manned gates are
implemented. This will allow the roving guard to note immediately unauthorized
vehicles within our community.

 ———————-
Project Assumptions:

[Coronita]

Proposal:

 

Initial Installation Costs:
– Estimate of Guard Station, including utilities $85,000.00 (ea)
– Estimate of Video Surveillance System $20,000.00 (per gate)
– Estimate of Gate Access System $20,000

[Coronita]

Proposal:

 

Initial Installation Costs:
– Estimate of Guard Station, including utilities $85,000.00 (ea)
– Estimate of Video Surveillance System $20,000.00 (per gate)
– Estimate of Gate Access System $20,000

[Coronita]

Proposal:

 

Initial Installation Costs:
– Estimate of Guard Station, including utilities $85,000.00 (ea)
– Estimate of Video Surveillance System $20,000.00 (per gate)
– Estimate of Gate Access System $20,000

[Coronita]

Proposal:

 

Initial Installation Costs:
– Estimate of Guard Station, including utilities $85,000.00 (ea)
– Estimate of Video Surveillance System $20,000.00 (per gate)
– Estimate of Gate Access System $20,000

[Coronita]

Proposal:

 

Initial Installation Costs:
– Estimate of Guard Station, including utilities $85,000.00 (ea)
– Estimate of Video Surveillance System $20,000.00 (per gate)
– Estimate of Gate Access System $20,000

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