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July 8, 2021 at 10:20 AM #822406July 8, 2021 at 11:03 AM #822407
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Participant[quote=Coronita]
Low wage workers leaving. High net worth coming in…B10….
BINGO![/quote]
I think it’s more of low & mid wage workers leaving. High net worth and homeless coming in.July 9, 2021 at 1:08 PM #822409
svelteParticipant[quote=svelte][quote=EconProf]
The population is exploding as new residents come in from everywhere, especially CA. Because St. George schools are largely open, teachers tell of CA parents desperate to get their kids into in-person learning, so some are living in St. George motels in order to do so.
[/quote]This just in.
“The exodus of Californians forecast in recent news headlines isn’t likely to happen soon, UC San Diego researchers reported in a survey released Wednesday.”
“Another facet of the study, conducted by Stanford and Cornell Universities, analyzed two decades of Franchise Tax Board Data and found no evidence that millionaires are fleeing the state, despite increased taxes on high-wage earners.
A separate analysis from Cornell University gave a different spin to the parable of the Golden State. It showed that California’s share of U.S. venture capital dollars rose from one-third of the national total in 1995 to nearly half by 2021, far eclipsing other large states, including New York, Florida and Texas.”[/quote]
Record amount given to California schools this year, and full statewide funding for TK – TK is amazing, I’ve watched a family member go through it and he really was better prepared for school.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article252680703.html
Utah ranks 51st in school funding level, dead last. It spends half – half! – the national average per pupil.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2020/05/12/utah-dead-last-again-per/
And to sit here and brag about Utah schools is astounding. Just astounding.
July 9, 2021 at 1:28 PM #822410gzz
ParticipantDidn’t the previous admin intentionally try to undercount the people in this state by excluding undocumented people?
Trump’s plan was to exclude unlawful residents from reapportionment of congressional districts, and give states the option to exclude them from redistricting. It was not to have the census not count them at all.
The effect of the former would be to give rust belt states about 9 more House seats and electoral votes at the expense of CA/TX/NY/FL/NJ. The effect of the latter would be to have more state legislative seats in white and black neighborhoods and fewer in hispanic and asian areas. The states that would have both implemented it, and where it would have had a major effect, is mostly TX and GA.
July 12, 2021 at 12:32 AM #822448sdrealtor
Participant117 degrees in St George today
July 12, 2021 at 8:41 AM #822450Anonymous
Guest[quote=gzz]
Didn’t the previous admin intentionally try to undercount the people in this state by excluding undocumented people?
Trump’s plan was to exclude unlawful residents from reapportionment of congressional districts, and give states the option to exclude them from redistricting. It was not to have the census not count them at all.
The effect of the former would be to give rust belt states about 9 more House seats and electoral votes at the expense of CA/TX/NY/FL/NJ. The effect of the latter would be to have more state legislative seats in white and black neighborhoods and fewer in hispanic and asian areas. The states that would have both implemented it, and where it would have had a major effect, is mostly TX and GA.[/quote]
Why would undocumented people be considered for Congressional districting? They can’t vote so they are not represented by definition.
July 12, 2021 at 11:14 AM #822453ParticipantWhy would undocumented people be considered for Congressional districting? They can’t vote so they are not represented by definition.
The Constitution says it should be based on the census, excluding only “Indians not taxed.”
Children, disenfranchised felons, and lawful resident aliens have always been included in apportionment and redistricting and cannot vote. Trump did not want to exclude any of these groups, only unlawful aliens.
Another wrinkle with his plan is the line between illegal and legal can be blurred. For example, successful DREAMERS did not break the law when they entered as minors, and have specific authorization to both work and remain in the USA by the federal government. They cannot be deported unless they commit a crime and can work here legally, so they are in the same position as a lawful permanent resident, except that they cannot leave the USA and then return. This legal status is pretty close to what a huge number of unnaturalized immigrants were in in the 1790s, and such people were included in censuses and apportionments.
July 12, 2021 at 12:36 PM #822460ParticipantAre Bingo Halls air conditioned? Asking for a friend
July 15, 2021 at 1:10 PM #822508ParticipantSo here is some data for EP.
My hometown of Cherry Hill NJ has a median HH income of $105K. It has demographics similar to Carlsbad, top rated schools and healthcare. Its an easy one hour drive to lovely Jersey Shore towns. Its an easy 15 minute drive to Philadephia with great jobs, multiple teaching hospitals some of which rank among the best in the country and Ivy League schools nearby. They have professional sports and world class musuems and theatre in Philly. School funding is among the highest in the country. The median home price is $336K.
The median HH income in St George is under $50K. It has none of that. School funding is among the lowest in the country. The only university was recentlya two year associate degree college. No theatre, no international airport, no teaching hospitals, no major industries, no pro sports, no beaches, no culture or diversity. The median home price is $430K.
And you dont think you just bought into one big time bubble that will come crashing down as soon as the economy turns? You have bought into Hemet circa 2005.
July 15, 2021 at 2:59 PM #822509Guest[quote=sdrealtor]So here is some data for EP.
My hometown of Cherry Hill NJ has a median HH income of $105K. It has demographics similar to Carlsbad, top rated schools and healthcare. Its an easy one hour drive to lovely Jersey Shore towns. Its an easy 15 minute drive to Philadephia with great jobs, multiple teaching hospitals some of which rank among the best in the country and Ivy League schools nearby. They have professional sports and world class musuems and theatre in Philly. School funding is among the highest in the country. The median home price is $336K.
The median HH income in St George is under $50K. It has none of that. School funding is among the lowest in the country. The only university was recentlya two year associate degree college. No theatre, no international airport, no teaching hospitals, no major industries, no pro sports, no beaches, no culture or diversity. The median home price is $430K.
And you dont think you just bought into one big time bubble that will come crashing down as soon as the economy turns? You have bought into Hemet circa 2005.[/quote]
You make some good points sdr but come on, lay off the guy. He is going there to retire and live out his golden years among like minded people. Don’t think he cares if the RE bubble bursts in St George. If it bursts there it will be due to the everything bubble bursting anyway (obviously it will crush St George far worse than SD or other areas granted).
July 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM #822510The-Shoveler
ParticipantIMO the FED and the powers that be cannot afford to let the everything bubble crash and will do whatever it takes to not let it crash.
Can it be done? not sure but look at China, what’s it been 35 years or more LOL.
But maybe I am wrong.
July 15, 2021 at 3:19 PM #822511Guest[quote=The-Shoveler]IMO the FED and the powers that be cannot afford to let the everything bubble crash and will do whatever it takes to not let it crash.
Can it be done? not sure but look at China, what’s it been 35 years or more LOL.
But maybe I am wrong.[/quote]
You mean Japan, but yes you are correct. The Fed has proven time and time again, by their actions, that they will do all in their power to keep it going.
On Wall St. this is such a joke that the primary case for bull market for the last several years was simply “Don’t fight the Fed”, nothing do to with economics or earnings.
The mystery is how long can they keep this up, and what happens when they lose control?? Nobody really knows.
July 15, 2021 at 4:28 PM #822512Participant[quote=deadzone][quote=sdrealtor]So here is some data for EP.
My hometown of Cherry Hill NJ has a median HH income of $105K. It has demographics similar to Carlsbad, top rated schools and healthcare. Its an easy one hour drive to lovely Jersey Shore towns. Its an easy 15 minute drive to Philadephia with great jobs, multiple teaching hospitals some of which rank among the best in the country and Ivy League schools nearby. They have professional sports and world class musuems and theatre in Philly. School funding is among the highest in the country. The median home price is $336K.
The median HH income in St George is under $50K. It has none of that. School funding is among the lowest in the country. The only university was recentlya two year associate degree college. No theatre, no international airport, no teaching hospitals, no major industries, no pro sports, no beaches, no culture or diversity. The median home price is $430K.
And you dont think you just bought into one big time bubble that will come crashing down as soon as the economy turns? You have bought into Hemet circa 2005.[/quote]
You make some good points sdr but come on, lay off the guy. He is going there to retire and live out his golden years among like minded people. Don’t think he cares if the RE bubble bursts in St George. If it bursts there it will be due to the everything bubble bursting anyway (obviously it will crush St George far worse than SD or other areas granted).[/quote]
Exactly and I’ll lay off him when he drops the political nonsense. There is no safety net under St George. It is poised to drop big time no matter what happens here. We have some fundamental things going in our favor. He’s got a handful of disgruntled Republicans he’s banking on who will flee at the first sign of trouble
Another anecdote. $2m plus home closed up here recently. Couple of young IG influencers. One has a wealthy father in Texas who picked up the tab.
July 15, 2021 at 5:05 PM #822514EconProf
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]So here is some data for EP.
My hometown of Cherry Hill NJ has a median HH income of $105K. It has demographics similar to Carlsbad, top rated schools and healthcare. Its an easy one hour drive to lovely Jersey Shore towns. Its an easy 15 minute drive to Philadephia with great jobs, multiple teaching hospitals some of which rank among the best in the country and Ivy League schools nearby. They have professional sports and world class musuems and theatre in Philly. School funding is among the highest in the country. The median home price is $336K.
The median HH income in St George is under $50K. It has none of that. School funding is among the lowest in the country. The only university was recentlya two year associate degree college. No theatre, no international airport, no teaching hospitals, no major industries, no pro sports, no beaches, no culture or diversity. The median home price is $430K.
And you dont think you just bought into one big time bubble that will come crashing down as soon as the economy turns? You have bought into Hemet circa 2005.[/quote]
sdr: for starters, New Jersey is losing population. Why would that be? And if you think Philly is good for culture, the arts, and theatre, check out their crime rate before going downtown.
St. George/Washington City is exploding with growth because of its culture, broadly defined. Theatre, museums, concerts, a rapidly expanding 4-year university, lauded health care, year-around outdoor activities such as hiking, biking trails, parks (minus the homeless in tents), and numerous gyms. The people are young, healthy, and fully employed–unemployment rate 2.9%. Because the cost of living is so low, average income means little. True, the average household income is slightly under the US average. But adjusted for COL is what counts. For example, my total utilities for last month were $181.10–gas and electric, water and sewer. That’s with our hotter weather and the AC on constantly in a 2500 SF house. My friend in Scripps Ranch recently told me his total was over $1,000.
Educational quality has little to do with spending. In NYC the per pupil spending is over $20,000 per year, and their educational attainment is dreadful. CA is notorious for high government spending in most every category and abysmal results. San Diego is the best of the big cities, but it is still in CA.July 15, 2021 at 9:27 PM #822515ParticipantNJ has been losing population for decades because people move to warmer climates as they age
But you completely avoided the elephant in the room. The median home price in St George is almost $500k!!! The median household income is under $50k!!! You moved to Hemet!!
Oh and my total utilities last month here in Carlsbad in my 2700 sq ft house on 11,000 sq ft lot? Under $90! I do have solar but after 6 years it’s paid for itself.
Living with AC on 24/7 by necessity? Sounds dreamy!
I checked out the concert scene there. Laughable. Better shows at the little Belly Up tavern in Solana Beach.
I checked out theatre. Basically community theatre at best
Museums? Basically Indian artifacts
Fully employed? At WalMart and fast food joints
Low cost of living? There is nothing to do there to spend money on except overpriced housing that is heading for a major crash
Great schools? Here is the top rated high school. The others are much worse
https://www.greatschools.org/utah/saint-george/702-Dixie-High-School/
Rapidly expanding 4 year university? It will never be a true research based university of any acclaim. It will train the basic workers you need for schools and healthcare caregivers not physicians but it will never approach the scale of a UC or even CSU school.
Enough with the nebulous claims. You said I only brought snark but I keep bringing up specific examples and you bring empty claims. Bring some actual specific examples for once.
B7…. Bingo!!
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