going broke on 300K/year

[Aecetia]

As a long time working woman, I have to agree. You cannot have it all. Something will suffer, whether it is how you interact with your family, quality time with your husband, house and yard care, or even time to take care of yourself. Unless you have a lot of money and can pay someone to do the things you do not have time to do or your relatives (usually your mother) take up your slack with the kids, you will not do it all and all will suffer including your job. Someone said it earlier, something has to give. Hats off to the working women who look like they are doing it all. Even Michelle Obama has her mother helping to raise the girls to give them a more normal family life. I think she is wise to do it and what I have read about Mrs. Obama’s mother, she sounds like she is grounded and has good commonsense.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]……I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

I accept that women cannot have it all. Just as men cannot. It’s really not that different.

For example, most men would like relationships with women who are physically exceptional. The desire to engage in such relationships varies over time, just as a woman’s desire to have children varies over time, but it’s quite strong.

Following through on such a desire, for a man, can dramatically reduce his future income and the time available for the things he wants – beer, cable TV, his friends, pool, golf….. just as having kids can dramatically reduce a woman’s future time and income. That’s life.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]……I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

I accept that women cannot have it all. Just as men cannot. It’s really not that different.

For example, most men would like relationships with women who are physically exceptional. The desire to engage in such relationships varies over time, just as a woman’s desire to have children varies over time, but it’s quite strong.

Following through on such a desire, for a man, can dramatically reduce his future income and the time available for the things he wants – beer, cable TV, his friends, pool, golf….. just as having kids can dramatically reduce a woman’s future time and income. That’s life.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]……I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

I accept that women cannot have it all. Just as men cannot. It’s really not that different.

For example, most men would like relationships with women who are physically exceptional. The desire to engage in such relationships varies over time, just as a woman’s desire to have children varies over time, but it’s quite strong.

Following through on such a desire, for a man, can dramatically reduce his future income and the time available for the things he wants – beer, cable TV, his friends, pool, golf….. just as having kids can dramatically reduce a woman’s future time and income. That’s life.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]……I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

I accept that women cannot have it all. Just as men cannot. It’s really not that different.

For example, most men would like relationships with women who are physically exceptional. The desire to engage in such relationships varies over time, just as a woman’s desire to have children varies over time, but it’s quite strong.

Following through on such a desire, for a man, can dramatically reduce his future income and the time available for the things he wants – beer, cable TV, his friends, pool, golf….. just as having kids can dramatically reduce a woman’s future time and income. That’s life.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]……I stand by my assertion that women cannot have it all, and that their income-earning capacity is absolutely **permanently** affected by having children.[/quote]

I accept that women cannot have it all. Just as men cannot. It’s really not that different.

For example, most men would like relationships with women who are physically exceptional. The desire to engage in such relationships varies over time, just as a woman’s desire to have children varies over time, but it’s quite strong.

Following through on such a desire, for a man, can dramatically reduce his future income and the time available for the things he wants – beer, cable TV, his friends, pool, golf….. just as having kids can dramatically reduce a woman’s future time and income. That’s life.

[CA renter]

Not comparable.

One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire.

When I speak of “having it all,” I’m referring to having a family and having the ability to be financially independent/working. A woman can physically do it, but both the family and the job — not to mention the woman — will suffer greatly for it.

[CA renter]

Not comparable.

One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire.

When I speak of “having it all,” I’m referring to having a family and having the ability to be financially independent/working. A woman can physically do it, but both the family and the job — not to mention the woman — will suffer greatly for it.

[CA renter]

Not comparable.

One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire.

When I speak of “having it all,” I’m referring to having a family and having the ability to be financially independent/working. A woman can physically do it, but both the family and the job — not to mention the woman — will suffer greatly for it.

[CA renter]

Not comparable.

One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire.

When I speak of “having it all,” I’m referring to having a family and having the ability to be financially independent/working. A woman can physically do it, but both the family and the job — not to mention the woman — will suffer greatly for it.

[CA renter]

Not comparable.

One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire.

When I speak of “having it all,” I’m referring to having a family and having the ability to be financially independent/working. A woman can physically do it, but both the family and the job — not to mention the woman — will suffer greatly for it.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]…
One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire….[/quote]

Survival of the human race is a bit abstract. I don’t think most women have kids out of a sense of duty to keep the human species from going extinct. (Not that there’s any danger of that. Which other large mammals number over 5 billion?) They do it because they want it, just as the man “does it” because he wants it. I don’t see either as being superior or selfless, although both have consequences that involve (different) personal sacrifices.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]…
One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire….[/quote]

Survival of the human race is a bit abstract. I don’t think most women have kids out of a sense of duty to keep the human species from going extinct. (Not that there’s any danger of that. Which other large mammals number over 5 billion?) They do it because they want it, just as the man “does it” because he wants it. I don’t see either as being superior or selfless, although both have consequences that involve (different) personal sacrifices.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]…
One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire….[/quote]

Survival of the human race is a bit abstract. I don’t think most women have kids out of a sense of duty to keep the human species from going extinct. (Not that there’s any danger of that. Which other large mammals number over 5 billion?) They do it because they want it, just as the man “does it” because he wants it. I don’t see either as being superior or selfless, although both have consequences that involve (different) personal sacrifices.

[patientrenter]

[quote=CA renter]…
One is a necessity (assuming we want the human race to propagate), the other is just about desire….[/quote]

Survival of the human race is a bit abstract. I don’t think most women have kids out of a sense of duty to keep the human species from going extinct. (Not that there’s any danger of that. Which other large mammals number over 5 billion?) They do it because they want it, just as the man “does it” because he wants it. I don’t see either as being superior or selfless, although both have consequences that involve (different) personal sacrifices.

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