Gay Marriage Ruling

[Mark Holmes]

And from the judgge who made the ruling:

“LOS ANGELES—In the days leading up to the California Supreme Court’s historic ruling on gay marriage, the case weighed on Chief Justice Ronald George like no other in his nearly 17 years on the court.

George assigned the majority opinion to himself. He wrote and rewrote, poring over draft after draft. Each word change had to be approved by the other three justices joining him in the 4-3 majority that would legalize gay marriage by overturning a law approved by California voters.

The 68-year-old Republican told the Los Angeles Times that as he read legal arguments, he recalled a trip he made many years ago with his parents through the South. Signs warning “No Negro” or “No colored” left an indelible impression on him.

He indicated he saw the fight for gay marriage as a civil rights case akin to the legal battle that ended laws banning interracial marriage.

“I think there are times when doing the right thing means not playing it safe,” he told the Times.

The case was set in motion in 2004 when San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom threw open City Hall to gay couples to get married in a calculated challenge to California law. In his opinion Thursday, George concluded “that an individual’s capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibly to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual’s sexual orientation.”

He described his thinking on the status of marriage laws as
more evolution than epiphany, the result of his reading and long discussions with staff lawyers.

George, who grew up in Los Angeles, told the newspaper he counts gays among his friends.

Court rules bar George from discussing the ruling until it takes effect in 30 days or more. During an interview with the newspaper, he refused to disclose anything about the court’s internal deliberations and responded to a number of questions by reading from the decision.

Asked whether he thought most Californians would accept the marriage ruling, George said, “I really don’t know.””

I truly hope that those of you who oppose it now can at least find it in your hearts to simply not vote on the constitutional amendment ballot initiative in November. I’m not asking you to support gay marriage. Simply leave that box empty on election day.

[Bane]

“I don’t think it sends the right message to today’s youth.”

What message is that? That you will be ostracized for being yourself? That consenting adults are not allowed to be with each other?

The idea of limiting who you can legally be with is sick. 50 years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal and that was stupid, and the gay marriage ban is stupid too.

[Bane]

“I don’t think it sends the right message to today’s youth.”

What message is that? That you will be ostracized for being yourself? That consenting adults are not allowed to be with each other?

The idea of limiting who you can legally be with is sick. 50 years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal and that was stupid, and the gay marriage ban is stupid too.

[Bane]

“I don’t think it sends the right message to today’s youth.”

What message is that? That you will be ostracized for being yourself? That consenting adults are not allowed to be with each other?

The idea of limiting who you can legally be with is sick. 50 years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal and that was stupid, and the gay marriage ban is stupid too.

[Bane]

“I don’t think it sends the right message to today’s youth.”

What message is that? That you will be ostracized for being yourself? That consenting adults are not allowed to be with each other?

The idea of limiting who you can legally be with is sick. 50 years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal and that was stupid, and the gay marriage ban is stupid too.

[Bane]

“I don’t think it sends the right message to today’s youth.”

What message is that? That you will be ostracized for being yourself? That consenting adults are not allowed to be with each other?

The idea of limiting who you can legally be with is sick. 50 years ago inter-racial marriages were illegal and that was stupid, and the gay marriage ban is stupid too.

[BKinLA]

Thanks, Mark.

I liked Steve Lopez' take on this as well this morning:

"…As for those who argue that legalized gay unions threaten the institution and sanctity of marriage, the statistics leave no doubt that heterosexuals are perfectly capable of cheapening the vows entirely on their own.

L.A. County issues about 75,000 marriage licenses annually. In fiscal 2006-07, there were 108,554 filings countywide for dissolution, annulments and legal separations…'"

Full article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez18-2008may18,0,7367537.column

 

New idea for a reality show: Gay Divorce Court?

 

[BKinLA]

Thanks, Mark.

I liked Steve Lopez' take on this as well this morning:

"…As for those who argue that legalized gay unions threaten the institution and sanctity of marriage, the statistics leave no doubt that heterosexuals are perfectly capable of cheapening the vows entirely on their own.

L.A. County issues about 75,000 marriage licenses annually. In fiscal 2006-07, there were 108,554 filings countywide for dissolution, annulments and legal separations…'"

Full article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez18-2008may18,0,7367537.column

 

New idea for a reality show: Gay Divorce Court?

 

[BKinLA]

Thanks, Mark.

I liked Steve Lopez' take on this as well this morning:

"…As for those who argue that legalized gay unions threaten the institution and sanctity of marriage, the statistics leave no doubt that heterosexuals are perfectly capable of cheapening the vows entirely on their own.

L.A. County issues about 75,000 marriage licenses annually. In fiscal 2006-07, there were 108,554 filings countywide for dissolution, annulments and legal separations…'"

Full article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez18-2008may18,0,7367537.column

 

New idea for a reality show: Gay Divorce Court?

 

[BKinLA]

Thanks, Mark.

I liked Steve Lopez' take on this as well this morning:

"…As for those who argue that legalized gay unions threaten the institution and sanctity of marriage, the statistics leave no doubt that heterosexuals are perfectly capable of cheapening the vows entirely on their own.

L.A. County issues about 75,000 marriage licenses annually. In fiscal 2006-07, there were 108,554 filings countywide for dissolution, annulments and legal separations…'"

Full article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez18-2008may18,0,7367537.column

 

New idea for a reality show: Gay Divorce Court?

 

[BKinLA]

Thanks, Mark.

I liked Steve Lopez' take on this as well this morning:

"…As for those who argue that legalized gay unions threaten the institution and sanctity of marriage, the statistics leave no doubt that heterosexuals are perfectly capable of cheapening the vows entirely on their own.

L.A. County issues about 75,000 marriage licenses annually. In fiscal 2006-07, there were 108,554 filings countywide for dissolution, annulments and legal separations…'"

Full article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez18-2008may18,0,7367537.column

 

New idea for a reality show: Gay Divorce Court?

 

[CostaMesa]

As an aside…

I think it’s kind of comical how the ‘nay’ people in this discussion use ‘Adam and Steve’ as the poster couple for gay marriage when the stats show pretty clearly that a very large preponderance of all same-sex marriages are female-female.

Considering how young women are incessantly told about ‘the happiest day of your life’, does this really surprise anyone that these ladies simply want to follow the dream they’ve accepted as reality?

The vast majority of gay men I know have little if any interest in marriage, except to the extent that it satisfies a political objective. Only two couples have even suggested that they’ve even talked about it.

It’s not about the guys. It’s about the little girl’s dream.

[CostaMesa]

As an aside…

I think it’s kind of comical how the ‘nay’ people in this discussion use ‘Adam and Steve’ as the poster couple for gay marriage when the stats show pretty clearly that a very large preponderance of all same-sex marriages are female-female.

Considering how young women are incessantly told about ‘the happiest day of your life’, does this really surprise anyone that these ladies simply want to follow the dream they’ve accepted as reality?

The vast majority of gay men I know have little if any interest in marriage, except to the extent that it satisfies a political objective. Only two couples have even suggested that they’ve even talked about it.

It’s not about the guys. It’s about the little girl’s dream.

[CostaMesa]

As an aside…

I think it’s kind of comical how the ‘nay’ people in this discussion use ‘Adam and Steve’ as the poster couple for gay marriage when the stats show pretty clearly that a very large preponderance of all same-sex marriages are female-female.

Considering how young women are incessantly told about ‘the happiest day of your life’, does this really surprise anyone that these ladies simply want to follow the dream they’ve accepted as reality?

The vast majority of gay men I know have little if any interest in marriage, except to the extent that it satisfies a political objective. Only two couples have even suggested that they’ve even talked about it.

It’s not about the guys. It’s about the little girl’s dream.

[CostaMesa]

As an aside…

I think it’s kind of comical how the ‘nay’ people in this discussion use ‘Adam and Steve’ as the poster couple for gay marriage when the stats show pretty clearly that a very large preponderance of all same-sex marriages are female-female.

Considering how young women are incessantly told about ‘the happiest day of your life’, does this really surprise anyone that these ladies simply want to follow the dream they’ve accepted as reality?

The vast majority of gay men I know have little if any interest in marriage, except to the extent that it satisfies a political objective. Only two couples have even suggested that they’ve even talked about it.

It’s not about the guys. It’s about the little girl’s dream.

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