Gay Marriage Ruling

[Coronita]

Thread Hijack. A few of us are getting a wee bit heated over this topic. So I have one sort of philosophical question for some folks. 

As a society, if we start recognizing gay men and women more and more, shouldn't we be redefining they way we segregate shower rooms in gyms? Instead of the strict "Men's Shower Room" and "Women's Shower Room", shouldn't we redefine this to be "Straight Women's +Gay Men's Shower Room" and "Straight Men's + Gay Women's Shower Room"?

I mean, it's not socially acceptable for a man to be checking out a woman taking a shower in a gym. What makes it acceptable that a gay man is checking out a straight man in the same shower? And if we don't solve this problem, why bother have separate shower rooms anyway?

Of course, you can have the situation that a straight man pretends to be gay for the sake of using the straight woman's shower room, but that's a separate thing.

 

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On topic.

1) I think marriage is  church arrangement between a man and a woman. It would sadden me to have this redefined because i believe the meaning of it from a religious perspective was between man/woman. That said though….

2) The fed/state/local gov should recognize a "couple" regardless of sexual orientation, and extend the same protections and rights under the law.

 

One of the issues with "domestic partnership" you don't get the same rights as being "married", and this isn't just about taxes. This also applies to trusts and survivorship. Think about it. Medical insurance: some plans don't recognize domestic partnerships. Inheritance laws don't always recognize domestic partnerships, etc,etc,etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[HarryBosch]

Since we’re laying our cards on the table I might as weigh in as well.

Is homosexuality right or wrong is a moral question. Just as is having multiple wives right or wrong also a moral question. Moral questions can only be answered with opinions – which are neither right nor wrong. Therefore any legislation related to homosexuality is morally driven.

If the majority of a community, city, state or nation believe that “(substitute any majority opinion here)” then the majority opinion should be enacted as law. Because if a majority opinion is not reflected in the laws of the community, city, state or nation then this can only lead to problems – how could it be otherwise?

Why or when is it right for the minority opinion to be the dominant opinion to the point that it becomes law?

Since the majority in our state already voted to ban gay marriage then I think that a court (of 7 people) should not be able to overrule the populous vote. Therefore gay marriage should remain banned.

Personally, I don’t see any benefit of homosexuality to our society. I ask myself why do men want to have sex with women? It obviously feels extremely very good. And why we’re we – and almost all other creatures – built this way? What is the result of sex between the male and the female of the species? The result is offspring. The result is procreation. The result is the next generation of our species.

If the act of homosexuality cannot benefit the species then we, as a society, should not be encouraging it.

On the other hand, I do accept that all people are not created equal. We have people born left handed, right handed, some with autism, etc. Every person’s body and brain is unique. Therefore I think some people are born with a predisposition – maybe even genetic – to be homosexual. But I dont think we should be encouraging homosexuality through laws, television, education or other mediums – for the reason I stated earlier, that it does not benefit the species.

Our problem is that there are so many people now that it is easier for minorities to scare politicians and small courts of seven people into creating laws that favor the minority.

[HarryBosch]

Since we’re laying our cards on the table I might as weigh in as well.

Is homosexuality right or wrong is a moral question. Just as is having multiple wives right or wrong also a moral question. Moral questions can only be answered with opinions – which are neither right nor wrong. Therefore any legislation related to homosexuality is morally driven.

If the majority of a community, city, state or nation believe that “(substitute any majority opinion here)” then the majority opinion should be enacted as law. Because if a majority opinion is not reflected in the laws of the community, city, state or nation then this can only lead to problems – how could it be otherwise?

Why or when is it right for the minority opinion to be the dominant opinion to the point that it becomes law?

Since the majority in our state already voted to ban gay marriage then I think that a court (of 7 people) should not be able to overrule the populous vote. Therefore gay marriage should remain banned.

Personally, I don’t see any benefit of homosexuality to our society. I ask myself why do men want to have sex with women? It obviously feels extremely very good. And why we’re we – and almost all other creatures – built this way? What is the result of sex between the male and the female of the species? The result is offspring. The result is procreation. The result is the next generation of our species.

If the act of homosexuality cannot benefit the species then we, as a society, should not be encouraging it.

On the other hand, I do accept that all people are not created equal. We have people born left handed, right handed, some with autism, etc. Every person’s body and brain is unique. Therefore I think some people are born with a predisposition – maybe even genetic – to be homosexual. But I dont think we should be encouraging homosexuality through laws, television, education or other mediums – for the reason I stated earlier, that it does not benefit the species.

Our problem is that there are so many people now that it is easier for minorities to scare politicians and small courts of seven people into creating laws that favor the minority.

[HarryBosch]

Since we’re laying our cards on the table I might as weigh in as well.

Is homosexuality right or wrong is a moral question. Just as is having multiple wives right or wrong also a moral question. Moral questions can only be answered with opinions – which are neither right nor wrong. Therefore any legislation related to homosexuality is morally driven.

If the majority of a community, city, state or nation believe that “(substitute any majority opinion here)” then the majority opinion should be enacted as law. Because if a majority opinion is not reflected in the laws of the community, city, state or nation then this can only lead to problems – how could it be otherwise?

Why or when is it right for the minority opinion to be the dominant opinion to the point that it becomes law?

Since the majority in our state already voted to ban gay marriage then I think that a court (of 7 people) should not be able to overrule the populous vote. Therefore gay marriage should remain banned.

Personally, I don’t see any benefit of homosexuality to our society. I ask myself why do men want to have sex with women? It obviously feels extremely very good. And why we’re we – and almost all other creatures – built this way? What is the result of sex between the male and the female of the species? The result is offspring. The result is procreation. The result is the next generation of our species.

If the act of homosexuality cannot benefit the species then we, as a society, should not be encouraging it.

On the other hand, I do accept that all people are not created equal. We have people born left handed, right handed, some with autism, etc. Every person’s body and brain is unique. Therefore I think some people are born with a predisposition – maybe even genetic – to be homosexual. But I dont think we should be encouraging homosexuality through laws, television, education or other mediums – for the reason I stated earlier, that it does not benefit the species.

Our problem is that there are so many people now that it is easier for minorities to scare politicians and small courts of seven people into creating laws that favor the minority.

[HarryBosch]

Since we’re laying our cards on the table I might as weigh in as well.

Is homosexuality right or wrong is a moral question. Just as is having multiple wives right or wrong also a moral question. Moral questions can only be answered with opinions – which are neither right nor wrong. Therefore any legislation related to homosexuality is morally driven.

If the majority of a community, city, state or nation believe that “(substitute any majority opinion here)” then the majority opinion should be enacted as law. Because if a majority opinion is not reflected in the laws of the community, city, state or nation then this can only lead to problems – how could it be otherwise?

Why or when is it right for the minority opinion to be the dominant opinion to the point that it becomes law?

Since the majority in our state already voted to ban gay marriage then I think that a court (of 7 people) should not be able to overrule the populous vote. Therefore gay marriage should remain banned.

Personally, I don’t see any benefit of homosexuality to our society. I ask myself why do men want to have sex with women? It obviously feels extremely very good. And why we’re we – and almost all other creatures – built this way? What is the result of sex between the male and the female of the species? The result is offspring. The result is procreation. The result is the next generation of our species.

If the act of homosexuality cannot benefit the species then we, as a society, should not be encouraging it.

On the other hand, I do accept that all people are not created equal. We have people born left handed, right handed, some with autism, etc. Every person’s body and brain is unique. Therefore I think some people are born with a predisposition – maybe even genetic – to be homosexual. But I dont think we should be encouraging homosexuality through laws, television, education or other mediums – for the reason I stated earlier, that it does not benefit the species.

Our problem is that there are so many people now that it is easier for minorities to scare politicians and small courts of seven people into creating laws that favor the minority.

[HarryBosch]

Since we’re laying our cards on the table I might as weigh in as well.

Is homosexuality right or wrong is a moral question. Just as is having multiple wives right or wrong also a moral question. Moral questions can only be answered with opinions – which are neither right nor wrong. Therefore any legislation related to homosexuality is morally driven.

If the majority of a community, city, state or nation believe that “(substitute any majority opinion here)” then the majority opinion should be enacted as law. Because if a majority opinion is not reflected in the laws of the community, city, state or nation then this can only lead to problems – how could it be otherwise?

Why or when is it right for the minority opinion to be the dominant opinion to the point that it becomes law?

Since the majority in our state already voted to ban gay marriage then I think that a court (of 7 people) should not be able to overrule the populous vote. Therefore gay marriage should remain banned.

Personally, I don’t see any benefit of homosexuality to our society. I ask myself why do men want to have sex with women? It obviously feels extremely very good. And why we’re we – and almost all other creatures – built this way? What is the result of sex between the male and the female of the species? The result is offspring. The result is procreation. The result is the next generation of our species.

If the act of homosexuality cannot benefit the species then we, as a society, should not be encouraging it.

On the other hand, I do accept that all people are not created equal. We have people born left handed, right handed, some with autism, etc. Every person’s body and brain is unique. Therefore I think some people are born with a predisposition – maybe even genetic – to be homosexual. But I dont think we should be encouraging homosexuality through laws, television, education or other mediums – for the reason I stated earlier, that it does not benefit the species.

Our problem is that there are so many people now that it is easier for minorities to scare politicians and small courts of seven people into creating laws that favor the minority.

[equalizer]

rubbies,

We are in agreement on the outcome. Didn’t mean to imply anything neg(except losing elections). I acknowledge your family has done more for this country than many (OK, most)of my party leaders. You have strong feelings and I would appreciate if you could explain why you feel appeasing the gay ruling this year would help more people in the country than not supporting this ruling. Is there any dem who is willing to tell the gays that
“For the greater good, stand down”.

If its strictly on principle, then, well you know the outcome and you can’t blame me for not warning you.

[equalizer]

rubbies,

We are in agreement on the outcome. Didn’t mean to imply anything neg(except losing elections). I acknowledge your family has done more for this country than many (OK, most)of my party leaders. You have strong feelings and I would appreciate if you could explain why you feel appeasing the gay ruling this year would help more people in the country than not supporting this ruling. Is there any dem who is willing to tell the gays that
“For the greater good, stand down”.

If its strictly on principle, then, well you know the outcome and you can’t blame me for not warning you.

[equalizer]

rubbies,

We are in agreement on the outcome. Didn’t mean to imply anything neg(except losing elections). I acknowledge your family has done more for this country than many (OK, most)of my party leaders. You have strong feelings and I would appreciate if you could explain why you feel appeasing the gay ruling this year would help more people in the country than not supporting this ruling. Is there any dem who is willing to tell the gays that
“For the greater good, stand down”.

If its strictly on principle, then, well you know the outcome and you can’t blame me for not warning you.

[equalizer]

rubbies,

We are in agreement on the outcome. Didn’t mean to imply anything neg(except losing elections). I acknowledge your family has done more for this country than many (OK, most)of my party leaders. You have strong feelings and I would appreciate if you could explain why you feel appeasing the gay ruling this year would help more people in the country than not supporting this ruling. Is there any dem who is willing to tell the gays that
“For the greater good, stand down”.

If its strictly on principle, then, well you know the outcome and you can’t blame me for not warning you.

[equalizer]

rubbies,

We are in agreement on the outcome. Didn’t mean to imply anything neg(except losing elections). I acknowledge your family has done more for this country than many (OK, most)of my party leaders. You have strong feelings and I would appreciate if you could explain why you feel appeasing the gay ruling this year would help more people in the country than not supporting this ruling. Is there any dem who is willing to tell the gays that
“For the greater good, stand down”.

If its strictly on principle, then, well you know the outcome and you can’t blame me for not warning you.

[Anonymous]

golfgal: “Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family?”

My husband walked out on me and expected me to be there waiting for him after he said he never wanted to be with me again. He came back nine months later to find me in bed with another man.

“…What about sex outside of marriage?”

According to my faith, it’s wrong, but I’ve been doing it anyway.

I never said I was perfect or Ms. Holier-than-thou. I do a lot of things against my religion and what the Bible says is wrong, I don’t hide that, but that doesn’t mean I can’t express my opinion on gay marriages.

What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you?

I never bring my boyfriends home with me to have sex when my children are there. So, for me it is a non-issue.

Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

I made it clear that I didn’t sit in judgement of gay people. I stated I didn’t agree with the lifestyle and I don’t believe same-sex relationships are normal.

[Anonymous]

golfgal: “Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family?”

My husband walked out on me and expected me to be there waiting for him after he said he never wanted to be with me again. He came back nine months later to find me in bed with another man.

“…What about sex outside of marriage?”

According to my faith, it’s wrong, but I’ve been doing it anyway.

I never said I was perfect or Ms. Holier-than-thou. I do a lot of things against my religion and what the Bible says is wrong, I don’t hide that, but that doesn’t mean I can’t express my opinion on gay marriages.

What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you?

I never bring my boyfriends home with me to have sex when my children are there. So, for me it is a non-issue.

Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

I made it clear that I didn’t sit in judgement of gay people. I stated I didn’t agree with the lifestyle and I don’t believe same-sex relationships are normal.

[Anonymous]

golfgal: “Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family?”

My husband walked out on me and expected me to be there waiting for him after he said he never wanted to be with me again. He came back nine months later to find me in bed with another man.

“…What about sex outside of marriage?”

According to my faith, it’s wrong, but I’ve been doing it anyway.

I never said I was perfect or Ms. Holier-than-thou. I do a lot of things against my religion and what the Bible says is wrong, I don’t hide that, but that doesn’t mean I can’t express my opinion on gay marriages.

What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you?

I never bring my boyfriends home with me to have sex when my children are there. So, for me it is a non-issue.

Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

I made it clear that I didn’t sit in judgement of gay people. I stated I didn’t agree with the lifestyle and I don’t believe same-sex relationships are normal.

[Anonymous]

golfgal: “Marion, you didn’t address my question about divorce? I believe the Bible says men and woman should not divorce unless there is infidelity involved. Even then, divorce shouldn’t be an absolute. What happened to your vows “till death do us part”? What does that teach your children about love, committment, family?”

My husband walked out on me and expected me to be there waiting for him after he said he never wanted to be with me again. He came back nine months later to find me in bed with another man.

“…What about sex outside of marriage?”

According to my faith, it’s wrong, but I’ve been doing it anyway.

I never said I was perfect or Ms. Holier-than-thou. I do a lot of things against my religion and what the Bible says is wrong, I don’t hide that, but that doesn’t mean I can’t express my opinion on gay marriages.

What does it teach your children if you’re bringing different men home who are not their father and if you’re having sexual relations with these men? What if your children walk in on you?

I never bring my boyfriends home with me to have sex when my children are there. So, for me it is a non-issue.

Should we force you to wear the badge of shame in the form of a scarlet A? Do you see how easy it is to judge others?

I made it clear that I didn’t sit in judgement of gay people. I stated I didn’t agree with the lifestyle and I don’t believe same-sex relationships are normal.

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