Gas prices this summer

[Jazzman]

Saudi Arabia would cause real problems if supply is disrupted, but there have been no significant demonstrations …as yet. The royal family is wealthy enough to pump cash into social programs to help extinguish unrest. Peak oil is a problem waiting to happen, and you hear a lot about substitutes, but no radical shifts in the way we do things. Europe absorbs a much higher $ per gallon of gas, so why can’t the US consumer? One problem is that infrastructure in the US is built around the car. High speed trains must come, and public transportation dramatically improved. The auto industry must wake up and dump the truck, and over-sized sedan. Build cities up, not out. Find alternatives for all those products that include oil.

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WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

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All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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Duh!! Gas is currently 4.11 to 4.37 up and down the state. Some SF outlets may be slightly higher. Of course the runaway prices are caused by the exuberance of mostly “day-traders.”

[quote=Bubblesitter]…My prediction of San Diego average gas price at peak summer driving season, say July 4th is $4.67. With 39% chance of over $5.29. Ok ok I pulled those numbers out of an orifice.

What is your prediction?[/quote]

Bubblesitter, I think you’re right on target for July 4th (4.67) and, of course, I’ll be on the road during that time, albeit in states where gas typically costs a bit less than here :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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Duh!! Gas is currently 4.11 to 4.37 up and down the state. Some SF outlets may be slightly higher. Of course the runaway prices are caused by the exuberance of mostly “day-traders.”

[quote=Bubblesitter]…My prediction of San Diego average gas price at peak summer driving season, say July 4th is $4.67. With 39% chance of over $5.29. Ok ok I pulled those numbers out of an orifice.

What is your prediction?[/quote]

Bubblesitter, I think you’re right on target for July 4th (4.67) and, of course, I’ll be on the road during that time, albeit in states where gas typically costs a bit less than here :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

[/quote]

Duh!! Gas is currently 4.11 to 4.37 up and down the state. Some SF outlets may be slightly higher. Of course the runaway prices are caused by the exuberance of mostly “day-traders.”

[quote=Bubblesitter]…My prediction of San Diego average gas price at peak summer driving season, say July 4th is $4.67. With 39% chance of over $5.29. Ok ok I pulled those numbers out of an orifice.

What is your prediction?[/quote]

Bubblesitter, I think you’re right on target for July 4th (4.67) and, of course, I’ll be on the road during that time, albeit in states where gas typically costs a bit less than here :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

[/quote]

Duh!! Gas is currently 4.11 to 4.37 up and down the state. Some SF outlets may be slightly higher. Of course the runaway prices are caused by the exuberance of mostly “day-traders.”

[quote=Bubblesitter]…My prediction of San Diego average gas price at peak summer driving season, say July 4th is $4.67. With 39% chance of over $5.29. Ok ok I pulled those numbers out of an orifice.

What is your prediction?[/quote]

Bubblesitter, I think you’re right on target for July 4th (4.67) and, of course, I’ll be on the road during that time, albeit in states where gas typically costs a bit less than here :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

[/quote]

Duh!! Gas is currently 4.11 to 4.37 up and down the state. Some SF outlets may be slightly higher. Of course the runaway prices are caused by the exuberance of mostly “day-traders.”

[quote=Bubblesitter]…My prediction of San Diego average gas price at peak summer driving season, say July 4th is $4.67. With 39% chance of over $5.29. Ok ok I pulled those numbers out of an orifice.

What is your prediction?[/quote]

Bubblesitter, I think you’re right on target for July 4th (4.67) and, of course, I’ll be on the road during that time, albeit in states where gas typically costs a bit less than here :=}

[CA renter]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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Good stuff, afx.

But, “nobody could have seen it coming.”

[CA renter]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

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Good stuff, afx.

But, “nobody could have seen it coming.”

[CA renter]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

[/quote]

Good stuff, afx.

But, “nobody could have seen it coming.”

[CA renter]

[quote=afx114]WikiLeaks cables show speculators behind 2008 oil bubble

Well, thanks to Wikileaks, we now know that when the Bush administration reached out to the Saudis in the summer of ’08 to ask them to increase oil production to lower prices, the Saudis responded by saying they were having a hard time finding buyers for their oil as it was, and instead asked the Bush administration to rein in Wall Street speculators.

…

All of this is significant because both the Bush administration and the Obama administration have denied this narrative to various degrees. The CFTC only recently admitted that speculation played a role in the 2008 mess, having originally (and stubbornly) blamed supply and demand issues. Subsequent analyses have shown that the Saudi position, that worldwide demand for oil never increased nearly enough to account for the gigantic 2008 price spike, was almost certainly correct.

More on this to come later. Given the surge in commodities prices in the last year (which may in part have caused the rise in food prices that led to disturbances in the Middle East) and the Obama administration’s seeming reluctance still to rein in speculators, it’s remarkable that this issue doesn’t get more press. It’ll be interesting to see how much ink these Wiki cables get.

[/quote]

Good stuff, afx.

But, “nobody could have seen it coming.”

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